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From: Jose Luiz M Garcia
Hi Liz : Jose
> "Im trying to get my head around CEC, if you add Ca2+, Mg2+, Na+, K+,
> you get the CEC. The remainder is what, hydrogen? Is this assumed,
> what about aluminium? Any comments would be great
"Im trying to get my head around CEC, if you add Ca2+, Mg2+, Na+, K+,
you get the CEC. The remainder is what, hydrogen? Is this assumed,
what about aluminium? Any comments would be greatly appreciated."
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The CEC is calculated taking into consideration
Hugh & LLoyd;
Thank you both for your time & explanations of CEC, you've helped me to get
a better picture of the way it works. I'll work on it a bit more and see if
I can't pose some questions to you both to see if I do have the basics ofthe
processes involved.
Thanks again
L&L
Liz
Dear Liz, et. al.,
CEC means Cation Exchange Capacity. That is, how much capacity does a given
soil have to hold and exchange cations, which are positively charged ions?
It's like measuring how big a larder one has. Some people have a 24' by 24'
root cellar with 8' ceilings.
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From: Liz Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 5:28 AM
Subject: Rain/CEC
> We also experienced our first rain yesterday and last night. Heralding in
> the Spring. The drought seems to have made it a mi
We also experienced our first rain yesterday and last night. Heralding in
the Spring. The drought seems to have made it a mild winter, with my
dreaded willows only loosing their leaves for 5 weeks.
I'm trying to get my head around CEC, if you add Ca2+, Mg2+, Na+, K+, you
get the CEC.
Rambler wrote:
>
> Jose Luiz Moreira Garcia wrote:
> > .
> > What is your CEC by the way ?
> > I need to know also your humus content.
> > Tell me any figure regarding Ca, Mg, K, Na and also your micro nutrient
> > levels such as Fe, Mn, Zn, Cu and
Jane,
Yes, the Rescue Remedy is diluted 10 drops per litre of water and sprayed
over the transplants, as soon as possible after transplanting, and then last
thing again before the end of the day.
Stephen Barrow
Dear Tony Robinson,
The idea of using those ratios came to Dr Albrecht´s
mind after extracting the bases ( cations with an alcaline
reaction like Na, K, Ca and Mg ) from the humus portion of the soil
( Kinsey´s personnal communication ).
He then thought : Why not expand those ratios to all CEC
Dear Tony Robinson,
The idea of using those ratios came to Dr Albrecht´s
mind after extracting the bases ( cations with an alcaline
reaction like Na, K, Ca and Mg ) from the humus portion of the soil
( Kinsey´s personnal communication ).
He then thought : Why not expand those ratios to all CEC
I assume you dilute this a great deal?
Jane
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From: "Stephen Barrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 12:44 PM
Subject: RE: CEc balancing I for ornamental
An aside to Lloyd Charles' answer to T
An aside to Lloyd Charles' answer to Tony Robinson, re the use of Rescue
Remedy. I spray it on any transplants to help them overcome the transplant
shock. Sounds rather crazy, but it works.
Stephen Barrow
Tony and fellow Kiwis
On 7 Mar 02, Lloyd Charles wrote:
> It might be useful to direct a question to Elaine Ingham...
FYI... Elaine will be in NZ later this month. I've only learned about this
in the last few days, it maybe old news to you? The itinerary includes
Tauranga, Cambridge, Napie
From: Rambler >
> I am part way through reading Albrecht vol 1 and have some questions.
>
> 1. Are there different CEC ratios for different crops?
Technically the answer is probably yes but I believe if you get somewhere in
the ballpark range with CEC numbers then it is likely th
Hi Lloyd, Jose, Tim
I am part way through reading Albrecht vol 1 and have some questions.
1. Are there different CEC ratios for different crops?
2 Are there different CEC ratios for different soil Ph?
3 Are there different CEC ratios for different soils?
I grow ornamental crops ie
That is much better.
This University I do know.
Even though it just does not justify him
publishing
wrong information.
Jose
> surely knows this as he earned a doctorate in agriculture at
Pulman> University in eastern Washington state. That's a very good ag
> college, I> might
>Hugh,
>
>Thanks for the comments on the Albrecht Model and Walter Godstein's "slip" -
>we all make mistakes.
>
>Maybe you, Dave or somebody else could give us a brief resume of Walter's
>work. While his mistake may seem to be inexcusable, I feel that the record
>should be set "straight", as he i
> surely knows this as he earned a doctorate in agriculture at
Pulman> University in eastern Washington state. That's a very good ag
> college, I> might add.
Correction for accuracy: that's Washington State University in Pullman,
Washington.
I believe Walter's degree advisor was John Rega
Hi Michael,
I believe you have put it in the right way.
A Model is a guideline. Something to be
used as a pathway. Every place is difference
and every product is a different one.
I am amazed I just got back an analysis of
crushed ancient oyster shell and their Neutralizing
Power is 113% that is e
job.
I know that there is that variability among labs but it does not get
into my mind that only two guys in the world are capable of analysing
soils and giving recommendations like the idea that is officially sold
by Kinsey.
Jose
Jose, and other contributors to the CEC debate
Jose, Mr
Dear Cristiane,
I believe that what happens in the soil is exactly
the opposite . let me illustrate the point.
Cations are attached ( adsorbed not absorbed ) to the clay
colloids by their positive charge. Calcium and Magnesium have a double
positive charge and therefore they can push away single
Only a few articles from " The Albrecht Papers" are available
in the net I guess through that soil and health library. The four
volumes need to be bough from Acres USA and they must be
readed folks.
I believe I have been exposed to Albrecht ideas to a great deal
I did read several of his articles
Please FWD:
Dear Hugh, Jose, etal,
I'm a little confused. In my memory, one of the
Albrect saying was; "Lime, lime and no manure, make
the father rich and the son poor", which is basically
showing how easily lime sucks up and burns organic
matter content.
To open up another can of worms, Dr
ow all that.
If you are to play with Ca/Mg ratios you should account for a decreased
availability
of micro elements at higher pH. How are you going to do that I simply don´t
know
but one should devise a way to take that effect into consideration.
I know that Mr Goldstein have written about the e
Jose, and other contributors to the CEC debate
Jose, Mr Goldstein and many other authors, scientists are not saying that
Albrecht was wrong. They are saying that 'soils ain't soils', meaning the
correct formula for the interaction of climate-soil-plant at one locality of the
Hugh,
Thanks for the comments on the Albrecht Model and Walter Godstein's "slip" -
we all make mistakes.
Maybe you, Dave or somebody else could give us a brief resume of Walter's
work. While his mistake may seem to be inexcusable, I feel that the record
should be set "straight", as he is well r
Dear Jose and List,
I haven't read the Goldstein article, but I've talked with Walter on this
topic on other occasions.
First I'm surprised if Walter referred to Magnesium as a monovalent cation.
It is in the IIa family of elements along with calcium and is Mg++. Walter
surely knows this as he e
Subject: Re: CEC Balancing
Dave - pr'haps Jose got a bit excited but when somebody questions the
validity of Albrecht's work then at least they should please get the
chemistry correct. All my chem books have Mg++
Dave Robinson wrote
> Walter is a very careful researcher and
th common courtesy and respect.
I interpret Walter's article as in no way disagreeing with CEC balancing,
but as saying there is no evidence for the particular level of Ca that
Albrecht identified as "ideal". I think if you discussed the matter you
would find that Walter'
I have glanced the article which was kindly sent
to me by Dave Robinson or the
Walter Goldstein's article from Sept Biodynamics
" Cation Balancing : Is it beneficial or Bogus ?"
It came to me as a surprise because I had this magazine in
high respect. To my knowledge they don´t have any one to revi
How does one send a message in private, Allan?
heehee,
Deborah
My I request the document also?.
AllanE
>I would like to have it too! Michael
Anyone who needs instruction on how to send a message via private
mail only needs to ask me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
-Allan
I would like to have it too!
Michael
Dave Robison a écrit :
>
> I scanned up Walter Goldstein's article from Sept Biodynamics. If
> anyone wants, respond to me personally, ie) you don't have to bother
> the entire list.
>
> Etiquette note: we would have a lot less stuff on this list if people
> responded with personal notes only to
I scanned up Walter Goldstein's article from Sept Biodynamics. If anyone
wants, respond to me personally, ie) you don't have to bother the entire
list.
Etiquette note: we would have a lot less stuff on this list if people
responded with personal notes only to the individual, rather than
broadcasti
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