So has there been a conclusive This is what will be merged? Or is
everyone still not sure. I would love to see the agreed upon changes merged
sooner rather than later if possible, then you can start to see feedback
from people using the development versions of Blender.
I don't know how a decision
Hi,
I'm going to commit some user preferences to make this look possible,
what the right default is we can then decide later. First priority for
me is to merge Cycles though, so might be a week or so before I get to
finishing this.
Brecht.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:02 PM, Jonathan Smith
Hi,
Overall I like the changes a lot, just a few thoughts:
- I fully agree with Matt on the icons.
- The corner handles are _very_ close to invisible for me. If I didn't already
know their purpose and locations I would most likely not notice them for quite
some time or disregard them as
+1 on the black arrow icons, white is unnecessarily strong since the
important part is the *text*, having white on both the text and the
arrows confuses the eye in which direction to focus
-1 on the general icons being toned down.. agree with matt on this one
Daniel Salazar
3Developer.com
On
On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Brecht Van Lommel
brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote:
Hi,
Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Latest: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19501
This is certainly an
Hi all,
I'll definitively agree with replacing for (+) icons. This really makes
things more clear.
Don't think changes to header is really so nice. It's difficult to
distinguish it in sequencer, user preferences, a bit easier to
distinguish in graph view, logic editor, outliner. And in all
Am 24.10.2011 01:21, schrieb Brecht Van Lommel:
Hi all,
Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch
that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this?
I don't think they would need any documentation updates, it's just
small things that wouldn't
Matt Ebb +1
Most problematic changes for me are;
- Dark arrows ; should be bright, otherwise hard to see in both monitors I'm
using right now.
- No embossing ; I'm ok with making embossing more subtle but it's TOO
subtle right now.
--
Micael Dias
I think Brecht's UI changes look better than the current interface, although
there are a few things that people have brought up which I agree should be
changed first.
* Remove emboss on areas and regions
* Remove button emboss
I don't have any strong opinions on this
* More subtle colors and
I really can't understand most of the arguments here.
I think that the way Brecht is trying to simplify the UI is very good,
and makes visual scalability much better.
William Reynish recently did a proposal as well, based on Brechts UI
changes:
Wront link to Williams proposal, here is the right one.
http://billrey.blogspot.com/2011/10/cleaning-up-blender-ui.html
Am 24.10.2011 11:53, schrieb Thomas Dinges:
I really can't understand most of the arguments here.
I think that the way Brecht is trying to simplify the UI is very good,
and
Hi Brecht,
I would like to have seen this proposed differently. Namely:
- Mention the changes in defaults that are part of themes already
(means, users with saved themes won't notice any change!)
- Propose which new options could go to themes
(The area/region embossing can get themable
Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote:
Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch
that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this?
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
After:
On Monday 24 October 2011, Brecht Van Lommel wrote:
Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch
that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this?
As a user, if I may:
I liked your UI changes in the Cycles branch from the start, so I would be
Hi, user here :)
+1 for Brecht. I like changes in usability and style sense, lower contrast,
less annoying highlights, perfect.
I worked with it and I really like those changes. For me they are ok for
defaults.
and
+1 for Ton. All of this should be available for changes in theme editor.
Updated with some changes:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Previous: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19453
Now: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19477
* Area embossing back, more subtle fix it being drawn wrong with 1
pixel offset
* More space in panel
+1
Am 24.10.2011 14:05, schrieb Brecht Van Lommel:
Updated with some changes:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Previous: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19453
Now: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19477
* Area embossing back, more subtle fix it being
Hi brecht, better indeed. In my opinion it is still difficult to
discern the panel contents from the panel titles. Maybe a lighter tone
for contents?
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@Brecht, I like it better now, still:
- As Αντώνης suggested, the panel titles should be more discerned. I would
put just a little more contrast in the emboss effect of the title box
and/or darken the background.
- On the dropdown menus, it is my opinion that the arrows should be of a
light
Hi,
I can add user configuration for a few things, and most of the changes
(at least the controversial ones) are just changes to existing
settings. But I would like to change the default theme as well, and I
think it's useful to discuss that here and tweak things.
Brecht.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011
Hi,
Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Latest: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19501
I also like the icons to be a bit more muted, again to avoid them
grabbing attention too much with highlights. For me
+1 for the http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19500 proposal. I
like the muted icons!
On Mon Oct 24 19:07:45 2011, Brecht Van Lommel wrote:
Hi,
Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Latest:
Just make it a User preferences setting, with different presets like the old
UI, new Cycles UI, etc.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tobias Kummer supertoi...@gmx.net wrote:
+1 for the http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19500 proposal. I
like the muted icons!
On Mon Oct 24 19:07:45
I personaly preferred the non-emboss, solid and slick one, but it is only
subjective
F.
2011/10/24 Brecht Van Lommel brechtvanlom...@pandora.be
Hi,
Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Latest:
Hi, just another comment, what happened to the panel dividers?
Before http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19509
After http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19510
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:50 PM, François T. francoistarl...@gmail.comwrote:
I personaly preferred the non-emboss, solid and
I don't think we need the space between the panels.
Am 24.10.2011 21:58, schrieb Kel M:
Hi, just another comment, what happened to the panel dividers?
Before http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19509
After http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19510
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 2:50 PM,
It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be
made the same color as the panel background.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Thomas Dinges blen...@dingto.org wrote:
I don't think we need the space between the panels.
Am 24.10.2011 21:58, schrieb Kel M:
Hi, just
Well, since we don't need any space between panels, let's go one step
further and let's merge all panels into one big panel. That would be
great.
On 24 October 2011 22:23, Kel M kelvinsh...@gmail.com wrote:
It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be
made the
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Kel M kelvinsh...@gmail.com wrote:
It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least be
made the same color as the panel background.
The region embossing and panel divider should be different, otherwise
it looks like the editor is split
Maybe it's just me but this feels like a serious downgrade. I really
admired the way the blender 2.5/6x UI looked in that it had a kind of
sheen and niceness that you don't see in many applications. A friend of
mine described it like you can tell the Blender developers spent a lot
of time
I do like the more compactness though.
Christopher Allan Webber cweb...@dustycloud.org writes:
Maybe it's just me but this feels like a serious downgrade. I really
admired the way the blender 2.5/6x UI looked in that it had a kind of
sheen and niceness that you don't see in many
@Thomas: I'm serious. Ironic, but serious.
@Brecht: Well, If for nothing then for aesthetics. Without a gap,
panels are looking merged (that's why I propose to create one big
panel). To be honest, I would like to see old borders around panels,
Non transparent BG and shadows behind panels, but I'm
Panel headers a bit darker now and increased button embossing:
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
Latest: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19501
+1
I also like the icons to be a bit more muted, again to avoid them
grabbing attention too much with highlights. For
Hi all,
On muted icons: -1
Having just moved to OSX 10.7.3 Lion I have experienced a similar
muting of icons in the Finder application as well as others. This is
quite annoying as the visual colour cues from the icons are now missing.
Unless you have considerable spatial memory its hard to
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Brecht Van Lommel
brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Kel M kelvinsh...@gmail.com wrote:
It just looks uncomfortable and inconsistent. They lines should at least
be
made the same color as the panel background.
The region
Hi all,
Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch
that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this?
Before: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19452
After: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=19453
Patch: http://www.pasteall.org/25777/diff
I
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Brecht Van Lommel
brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote:
Hi all,
Here's a patch with a subset of the UI changes in the cycles branch
that I'd like to merge into trunk. Are there any objections to this?
I'd personally like to hear the rationale for these rather
Hi all,
as a user not a dev., imo
* Remove emboss on areas and regions
* Remove button emboss
removing emboss will revert blender to the 2.4x looks, which i think is very old
i don't see why you have to change the current
* More subtle colors and gradients on buttons
yes it's better
Matt Ebb +1
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I agree with the comments about the black arrows, and the buttons looking
less like buttons. Love the new side panel expanders, but the splitting
corners are too hard too see, i agree it might be better with some gripper
lines.
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Even though I like it better with your modification, I do agree with Matt
this is just a design subjectif point of view. not sure if it MUST be
changed or not.
2011/10/24 Αντώνης Ρυακιωτάκης kal...@gmail.com
Matt Ebb +1
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When i started with blender 2.48, for a month at least i wasn't able to
distinguish when a button was pressed or not because of the flat and
shadeless style, so -1 for that.
+1 to give a panel title background a little background color difference.
Arrows in combo boxes are useful for beginners,
Hi,
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote:
I'd personally like to hear the rationale for these rather than just saying
here's the patch. Some of it seems a bit more like a matter of taste too,
rather than something that's designed for a wide audience, so I'm curious to
Hi,
The only two things I care about are the button shading and the font. I
don't like the idea of removing the button shading, I love the shading, and
I don't think just drawing rounded boxes and passing them off as buttons
looks good. However, I don't feel very strongly about this, as I have
Can we start a new thread discussing the design constraints on the default
typeface perhaps?
With respect,
TJS
On Oct 23, 2011 4:39 PM, Matt Ebb m...@mke3.net wrote:
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Brecht Van Lommel
brechtvanlom...@pandora.be wrote:
Hi all,
Here's a patch with a
Hi,
I fully agree with Brechts changes and give +1 for them as Py UI Module
Owner and member of the Interface Look team!
I would also not necessarily change the screen splitting widget, I think
it's way better in the Cycles branch now, compared to trunk.
Removing the white arrows in menus,
I think it's okay to discuss button shading a bit though, but apart from
that, the changes are pretty much straight forward and should go to
trunk for sure. :) Again, big +1 for this!
Am 24.10.2011 06:01, schrieb Thomas Dinges:
Hi,
I fully agree with Brechts changes and give +1 for them as
Overall seems ok to me, though some of these details I'm not fussed either way.
dark vs light arrows - no strong opinion here, though I like lower
contrast but agree its too low at least on my monitor.
Matt, agree emboss on buttons could be good but think how its used in
trunk does not
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