Re: [blackbelly] Breed Identification

2005-08-31 Thread LDKM1422
Interesting. Thanks for the url. According to the site, it is the Mouflon genetics that influence the white on the tails and lighter bellys. The Barbados influence is black. Always learn something new. My white spotted on the head ewe lamb doesn't look like she would qualify as a Painted Des

Re: [blackbelly] Breed Identification

2005-08-31 Thread Susan Smith
http://www.elcascabel.com/PDSSgeninfo.htm Painted Desert Sheep Society addy above. I do not know all their qualifications concerning how much white maks a Painted Desert. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Barbado Sheep Moufl

[blackbelly] Re: Breed Identification - Diana

2005-08-31 Thread Barb Lee
No worries, Diana, you shouldn't take anything I said personally, because I don't even know what got me started today, certainly not anything you said! Once again, take my crusading with a grain of salt. I believe in what I've said, and I believe there should be an end to the confusion in na

[blackbelly] Making Associations between "Type" and Traits

2005-08-31 Thread Barb Lee
"German Shepherd dog." What came to your mind? Police work. Tracking. Intelligent. 100% readily identifiable. "I want one for a pet." What came to your mind? Temperament. Hip dysplasia. Suitability as family pet. "I bought a German Shepherd puppy at the pet store." What came to your

Re: [blackbelly] Breed Identification

2005-08-31 Thread LDKM1422
In a message dated 8/31/05 4:46:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << To you out there who have Blackbelly looking sheep who have a spot of white on them. >> Thank you, Sue. Does that include a white spot on the head? All my offspring were clearly ABS lambs, except the o

RE: [blackbelly] Re: breed identification

2005-08-31 Thread Susan Smith
Black Hawaiians are a cross with a Mouflon and a black sheep found in Hawaii. They will breed true to their color. The Painted Deserts are crosses of Texas Dall/Blackbelly sheep. These hair sheep are color breeds bit are treated as seperat breeds of sheep. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers

Re: [blackbelly] Name and breed

2005-08-31 Thread Susan Smith
The Manx Cat originated on the Isle of Man. They should have "no" tail, although out crops do pop up. This breed also has longer hind legs then average cat. Thats all I know about them. Sue Susan Smith Sandoah Achers www.sandoahachers.com American Blackbelly Sheep Painted Desert Sheep Bar

RE: [blackbelly] Breed Identification

2005-08-31 Thread Susan Smith
Oh, and BTW, how on earth did an American-made breed get to be "Corsican"? Did the US annex Corsica without telling anyone? :o) (TONGUE IN CHEEK - don't get offended!) http://www.themarksman.us/profiles/corsican.htm I have registered Painted Deserts as well as registered American Blackbelly.

Re: [blackbelly] Breed Identification

2005-08-31 Thread LDKM1422
In a message dated 8/31/05 2:42:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << It is, of course, your right to sell your sheep as "Barbie Doll" (oh, please...), Barbado, Corsican, or whatever. But if you are representing your sheep as Barbados Blackbelly, or even American Blackbel

[blackbelly] Why Breed to a Standard?

2005-08-31 Thread Barb Lee
Why should anyone be concerned with producing an animal to a registry standard? Why should we concern ourselves with the "elitist" ideas of some breed snob's imagination? There was a time when we weren't so removed from our agrarian roots - when livestock were expected to perform a service to

Re: [blackbelly] Re: breed identification

2005-08-31 Thread Carol J. Elkins
You can read the history (as we know it and as I presented at the 2004 BBSAI Annual Meeting) of both the American Blackbelly and the Barbados Blackbelly at http://www.blackbellysheep.org/articles/history.pdf In short, [The Barbados Blackbelly/Mouflon/Rambouillet] cross created a wide variety

[blackbelly] Re: breed identification

2005-08-31 Thread Peg Haese KB9LIE
So what is a Black Hawaiian sheep and how does it fit in to the hair sheep family? I had assumed they were just solid black (mismarked) blackbellies, now I wonder. And where did the name come from, creative marketing? They don't seem to breed true, witness the Bronze Hawaiian offspring. Then there

[blackbelly] Breed Identification

2005-08-31 Thread Barb Lee
Oh goody, a discussion! Please rest assured that I am not disrespecting anyone by the following comments. They are just my personal opinions, which are fondly and carefully cultivated. "Coloration seems to be what adds so many different names to the ABS line. A GSD is a GSD no matter what

[blackbelly] Pintos

2005-08-31 Thread hlang
At the Auction, sheep in multi colour as Blackbellies are called Pintos. just got a phonecall from the Auction. You want belive it, but now we see the turn. For years white lambs did always get a better price.This changed first time, as in january blackbelly lambs have been higher paid in Michi

[blackbelly] very parasite resistant wool breeds

2005-08-31 Thread hlang
Very parasite resistant sheep in wool are Baltic, Texel and Ile de France.There has been done an outstanding work over the last 40 years in selection. Ile de France with South African background is a very different breed than the IDF developped in France over the last 25 years. IDF out of SA h

Re: [blackbelly] Sheep Prices

2005-08-31 Thread william bartlett
Carr: I'm not sure where Meridian Tx. is, I don't have a map handy, but I'll tell you a few things I've learned trying to sell my sheep. Here on the boarder of Oklahoma and Arkansas, everybody is after the "HORNS". I've not had any luck selling young rams (6 to 8 months)in the fall of the year. But

Re: Re: [blackbelly] breed standards

2005-08-31 Thread bkbulls
>> The Barbados as the St Croix are much less parasite resistant than many wool > breeds. << Is this a typo? What wool breeds? ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-bl

Re: [blackbelly] Re: Request for photos

2005-08-31 Thread Carol J. Elkins
Pics at any age would be great, Dayna. It might be useful to know a ram's age so that we can indicate what expected horn growth might be at a particular age. Carol At 09:29 AM 8/31/2005 -0700, you wrote: SORRY...The question should have been is there a specific AGE the sheep should be, or are

Re: [blackbelly] Name and breed

2005-08-31 Thread hlang
MANX CATS don't know if some of you lived in Scandinavia. We have had in Smoland Sweden both type of cats,short tail and long tail, natural in the cat population, 50 :50 Don't know any are where the kind of cat did live as short tail only. Here in Canada sometimes a cat with short tail shows

Re: [blackbelly] Name and breed

2005-08-31 Thread Carol J. Elkins
At 11:13 AM 8/31/2005 -0400, you wrote: Color and markings classify mine as ABS. My polled ram is still an ABS though polled and unregisterable as such. If he consistently produces polled offspring he becomes an american BBS. http://www.sheep101.info/breedsA-B.html#Barbado http://www.sheep1

[blackbelly] Re: Request for photos

2005-08-31 Thread Dayna Denmark
SORRY...The question should have been is there a specific AGE the sheep should be, or are you looking for different stages of development! ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbel

[blackbelly] Re: Request for photos

2005-08-31 Thread Dayna Denmark
Carol, Is there a specific the sheep must be for the photos, or are you looking for different stages of development? ___ This message is from the Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.info mailing list Visit the list's homepage at Blackbelly-blackbellysheep.in

Re: [blackbelly] breed standards

2005-08-31 Thread hlang
We have had several breeders visiting the Barbados and searching for fullblood sheep. It seems either those rancher got lost on the Island and did not know where to go, or there are only a very small number of fullblood BB sheep. But those few fullblood sheep they did see are very large and

[blackbelly] An Invitation to the List

2005-08-31 Thread Barb Lee
If you would like to promote your farm and stock, whether for Blackbelly sheep, livestock guard dogs, or sheep equipment, I would like to invite you to send me a small supply of business cards, brochures, etc., to lay out on the table at our NW Blackbelly Sheep Fanciers Get-Together! You do NO

[blackbelly] I am SO EXCITED!!!

2005-08-31 Thread Barb Lee
I've just put an announcement in the Capital Press, Oregon's state agricultural newspaper, about the first ever northwest regional get-together of Blackbelly Sheep Fanciers!!! I have also invited them to cover the day! If you missed it the first time, we are "Calling All Blackbelly Fanciers"

[blackbelly] Name and breed

2005-08-31 Thread LDKM1422
Coloration seems to be what adds so many different names to the ABS line. A GSD is a GSD no matter what color. Crooked tails or too much curve disqualifies it for AKC registration, but it's still a GSD. >From what I'm reading this AM the catch all phrase is primarily, Corsican or Barbado(Cari