On 11-Dec-2001 Mark Weinem wrote:
>> However a kneejerk reaction
>> of "that will just make it bigger and there are other ways to do it" need to
>> be
>> avoided.
>
> Not a "kneejerk reaction" but just good arguments. What's wrong with
> them?
>
> And many bb users will not want confirmation d
Hi all,
When switching styles, it seems that Blackbox opens new files for the
directories /usr/share/Blackbox/styles and /home/wilbert/.blackbox/styles,
without closing the old ones.
When switching very often blackbox's memory footprint grows considerably,
and you can see the open files in a pro
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 00:04, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 09:27:55PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:53:26PM -0600, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
> > > > I am looking for GUI e-mail clients that work well with Blackbox
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:51:12 +0100 (CET)
Wilbert Berendsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When switching styles, it seems that Blackbox opens new files for the
> directories /usr/share/Blackbox/styles and /home/wilbert/.blackbox/styles,
> without closing the old ones.
>
> When switching very often
"Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I too am looking for a good mail client for my Linux systems. I've been
> using the following as my requirements list:
>
> - FULL RFC compliance
> - Complete IMAP4rv1 support
> - Complete POP3 support
> - Small memory footprint
> - Usable at 640x
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 08:39, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> Mutt. :) Not using IMAP, I'm not sure how well implemented it is, but
> maybe http://mutt.sourceforge.net/imap/ can help you.
=), that's the exact document that lead me to my statement that Mutt
doesn't fully support IMAP.
Note: (found at the
On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:27:55 -0800
Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:53:26PM -0600, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
> > I am looking for GUI e-mail clients that work well with
> > Blackbox.
I was away from Linux for a while. I am back now on Blackbox.
Something hasn't cha
On 10 Dec, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
> I am looking for GUI e-mail clients that work well with Blackbox. I
> have GTK installed, but I don't want to install the whole GNOME or KDE
> shooting match.
>
> Suggestions?
> Jeffrey
you definately want to look at tkrat: http://www.tkrat.org
it took me a
Wow, I never meant to cause such a firestorm!
I never wanted to change the default behavior of BB, just wanted to see
if there were any alternatives.
How about this for a solution - kind of a combination of things that
have been mentioned by others ---
Is there a way to remove the default "Exit
* Christian Dysthe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Linux really needs good robust GUI software, especially an e-mail
> client.
Linux needs nothing. Linux is a kernel.
People who use Linux and can't wrap their head around the concept of
using something textual to display something textual need someo
I've been using Sylpheed a few days now and have been very happy with it.
Ximian's Evolution is quite nice too, but it is a bit unstable (my friend
told me that it has frozen his X a few times).
Cheers,
Peter
On Mon, 2001-12-10 at 21:20, Paul Kincaid wrote:
> Is there a way to remove the default "Exit" from the Menu?
Yea, just remove the entry from your menu file.
Jamin W. Collins
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:08:56 -0500
Scott Moynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux needs nothing. Linux is a kernel.
Ok, I will be more specific: *If* it is a goal to have more people
use the OS based on the Linux kernel in their day to day business
and private computing, good GUI based softwar
Christian Dysthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:27:55 -0800
> Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:53:26PM -0600, Jeffrey Taylor wrote:
> > > I am looking for GUI e-mail clients that work well with
> > > Blackbox.
>
> I was away from Linux
Along with the confirmation exit issue I have another question. Is it possible to set
up a way to exit using the keyboard? Is there any command in bbkeys that will do this
or any other way of going about it? Just thought I would ask
Eric Carlsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
So, 0.61.2 is almost ready to be released screaming into the world. If anyone
has a patch floating around that fixes some problem I would love to hear about
it. The recent open file descriptor bug shows how much the community has
depended on the memory of this list to find bugs.
* Christian Dysthe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Ok, I will be more specific: *If* it is a goal to have more people
> use the OS based on the Linux kernel in their day to day business
> and private computing, good GUI based software is/will be needed.
Whose goal? You claim that GUI software is nee
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 10:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> So, 0.61.2 is almost ready to be released screaming into the world. If anyone
> has a patch floating around that fixes some problem I would love to hear about
> it. The recent open file descriptor bug shows how much the community has
> de
On 11-Dec-2001 Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 10:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>> So, 0.61.2 is almost ready to be released screaming into the world. If
>> anyone
>> has a patch floating around that fixes some problem I would love to hear
>> about
>> it. The recent open file de
On Tue, Dec11,01 08:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> So, 0.61.2 is almost ready to be released screaming into the world. If anyone
> has a patch floating around that fixes some problem I would love to hear about
> it.
> The recent open file descriptor bug shows how much the community has
> de
>
> Changes from 0.61.1 to 0.61.2:
> - added the ja_JP nls directory
> - general code cleanups
> - blackbox-nls.hh is always generated even if --disable-nls is used.
> This allows us to not have all of those hideous #ifdef NLS chunks.
> Nothing to worry about, if you do not want NLS
On 11-Dec-2001 Derek Cunningham wrote:
> On Tue, Dec11,01 08:34, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>> So, 0.61.2 is almost ready to be released screaming into the world. If
>> anyone
>> has a patch floating around that fixes some problem I would love to hear
>> about
>> it.
>
>
>> The recent open fi
Eric Christian Carlsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Along with the confirmation exit issue I have another question. Is it
> possible to set up a way to exit using the keyboard? Is there any
> command in bbkeys that will do this or any other way of going about
> it? Just thought I would ask
[jscha
On Tue, Dec11,01 09:01, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > Changes from 0.61.1 to 0.61.2:
> > - added the ja_JP nls directory
> > - general code cleanups
> > - blackbox-nls.hh is always generated even if --disable-nls is used.
> > This allows us to not have all of those hideous #ifdef N
>
> What about the workspace change bugs? And has there been any devel on the
> smart placement changes?
>
What workspace bugs?
placeWindow() is the smart placement code. What else was supposed to happen
there?
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:48:28 -0500
Scott Moynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Whose goal? You claim that GUI software is needed, presumably by
> someone, but offer no solutions to the most important problem: Who
> is going to write it? I, for one, am not going to sacrifice my
> time, and perhaps m
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Eric Christian Carlsen wrote:
> Along with the confirmation exit issue I have another question. Is it
> possible to set up a way to exit using the keyboard?
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the default keyboard shortcut to exit The X Window
system. Seems to work with every window
On Tue, Dec11,01 09:12, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> >
> > What about the workspace change bugs? And has there been any devel on the
> > smart placement changes?
> >
>
> What workspace bugs?
>
> placeWindow() is the smart placement code. What else was supposed to happen
> there?
Well... I've
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 11:30, Derek Cunningham wrote:
> On Tue, Dec11,01 09:12, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > What workspace bugs?
> >
> > placeWindow() is the smart placement code. What else was supposed to happen
> > there?
>
> Well... I've never experienced it... and so in my mind it's more
Circa 2001-Dec-11 06:52:11 -0600 dixit Jamin W. Collins:
: I too am looking for a good mail client for my Linux systems. I've been
: using the following as my requirements list:
:
: - FULL RFC compliance
: - Complete IMAP4rv1 support
: - Complete POP3 support
: - Small memory footprint
: - Usab
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 10:25:47AM -0700, Tim Keating wrote:
>
> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the default keyboard shortcut to exit The X Window
> system. Seems to work with every window manager I've used. No it doesn't
> ask for confirmation.
>
It also does NOT save changes to workspace(s) ... i.e. n
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 11:43, Jim Knoble wrote:
> You must mean 'telnet'. The user interface isn't spectacular, but it's
> great for command-line users:
>
> telnet imaphost.example.com imap
>
> The commands are standard and are listed in RFC-2060
> (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2060.html).
>
>
There's a flaw in LinkedList also xOr talked with Raven on July
28th about this one Pasting from his e-mail
I've found a problem in LinkedList.cc:
check out line 164:
__llist_node *nnode = new __llist_node, *inode =
_first->getNext();
how this function works is, if 0 is pass
> Subject: Re: E-mail clients
> From: "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Blackbox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 11 Dec 2001 12:12:50 -0600
>
> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 11:43, Jim Knoble wrote:
> > You must mean 'telnet'. The user interface isn't spectacular, but it's
> > great for command-l
Christian Dysthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:48:28 -0500
> Scott Moynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
> > Every email client is
> > basically a collection of text areas all connected together to do
> > one job: create and read email.
Just to be a PITA:
> And a lot mo
I've been using mutt and IMAP for well over a year now with
*no* problems. Note that you have to use a development version
(i.e. currently 1.3.23). It really isn't beta... rock solid.
- e
On Tue, Dec 11, 2001 at 09:07:26AM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 08:39, Jan Schau
> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:46:50 -0800
> From: Eric Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Blackbox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: E-mail clients
>
> I've been using mutt and IMAP for well over a year now with
> *no* problems. Note that you have to use
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Dave Price wrote:
> > CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the default keyboard shortcut to exit The X Window
> It also does NOT save changes to workspace(s) ... i.e. new ones added,
> renamed, etc. :-(
Then this sounds like a bug. I am assuming that X would send a polite
signal to blackb
For your info, the following was submitted to the NetBSD gnats.
Subject: pkg/14895: wm/blackbox doesn't compile with gcc 2.95.3
c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I..
-I/usr/obj/pkg/wm/blackbox/work.i386/.buildlink/include
-I/usr/pkg/share/x11-links/include -DSHAPE -DSLIT -DINTERLACE-DNLS
-DTIM
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 14:08, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> > > CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the default keyboard shortcut to exit The X Window
>
> > It also does NOT save changes to workspace(s) ... i.e. new ones added,
> > renamed, etc. :-(
>
> Then this sounds like a bug. I am assuming that X would send a
On 11-Dec-2001 Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> For your info, the following was submitted to the NetBSD gnats.
>
> Subject: pkg/14895: wm/blackbox doesn't compile with gcc 2.95.3
>
interesting, i compile it with g++ 3.0 which is even more strict than 2.95.
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > For your info, the following was submitted to the NetBSD gnats.
> >
> > Subject: pkg/14895: wm/blackbox doesn't compile with gcc 2.95.3
> interesting, i compile it with g++ 3.0 which is even more strict than 2.95.
This isue may be just relate
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 11:30:25 -0500
Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christian Dysthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Mon, 10 Dec 2001 21:27:55 -0800
> > Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:53:26PM -0600, Jeffrey Taylor
> > > wrote:> I am lookin
On 11-Dec-2001 Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
>
>> > For your info, the following was submitted to the NetBSD gnats.
>> >
>> > Subject: pkg/14895: wm/blackbox doesn't compile with gcc 2.95.3
>
>> interesting, i compile it with g++ 3.0 which is even more
* Christian Dysthe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Because a lot of people like to have a GUI. They like to point and
> click. Why shouldn't they get it?
Because they are not willing to do anything to get it. This is
terribly off-topic. There are any number of fora that will accept this
type of dis
Christian Dysthe wrote:
> Because a lot of people like to have a GUI. They like to point and
> click. Why shouldn't they get it? I do not understand this. I have
> no problems with the fact that people like to use console based
> software, I even use it myself (MC as my default file manager), but
"Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 14:08, Jeremy C. Reed wrote:
> > > > CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the default keyboard shortcut to exit The X Window
> >
> > > It also does NOT save changes to workspace(s) ... i.e. new ones added,
> > > renamed, etc. :-(
> >
> > The
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> [snip]
>
> Now, if blackbox receives any of SIGSEGV,SIGFPE, SIGINT or SIGTERM, it
> calls this shtudonw-function, just as if "exit" had been selected from
> the menu. It would therefore stand to reason that if you CTRL-ALT-BSPC
> X, bb should receive a
Hi,
There are also some focus bugs I mentioned on the list a few weeks ago.
Is this new version only about bugfixes? Would you consider minor
functional enhancements? I would really love to see a new focusing
model, where the focus would really follow the mouse, so when there is
no window under t
>
> Now, if blackbox receives any of SIGSEGV,SIGFPE, SIGINT or SIGTERM, it
> calls this shtudonw-function, just as if "exit" had been selected from
> the menu. It would therefore stand to reason that if you CTRL-ALT-BSPC
> X, bb should receive a SIGTERM and save the current configuration.
>
> I
On 11-Dec-2001 Peter Szekszardi wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There are also some focus bugs I mentioned on the list a few weeks ago.
> Is this new version only about bugfixes? Would you consider minor
> functional enhancements? I would really love to see a new focusing
> model, where the focus would really f
When I am resizing a windows with alt+rightmousebutton, if I click the
left mouse button as I am doing it and drag some more I encounter some
wierd behaviour. Try it and see; it should be very obvious. The border
drawn for resizing doesn't dissappear, the window decides it wants to
be a different
On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 15:52, Chris Gilbreth wrote:
> When I am resizing a windows with alt+rightmousebutton, if I click the
> left mouse button as I am doing it and drag some more I encounter some
> wierd behaviour. Try it and see; it should be very obvious. The border
> drawn for resizing doesn't
On 11-Dec-2001 Chris Gilbreth wrote:
> When I am resizing a windows with alt+rightmousebutton, if I click the
> left mouse button as I am doing it and drag some more I encounter some
> wierd behaviour. Try it and see; it should be very obvious. The border
> drawn for resizing doesn't dissappear, t
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On Tuesday 11 December 2001 15:32, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> blackbox assumes that nls_types.h gives it a nls_ctad type. Apparently
under
> netBSD this assumption is failing. At least that is my reading.
Does it compile correctly if ./configure
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On Monday 10 December 2001 21:24, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> I do not
> intend to make bb the all singing and dancing easy to use wonder wm.
Hell yes to that. :)
- --
[scott] :: "ein kalter Tod für den sprecher von Lügen"
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I have no idea if you can get KDEmail w/o installing the whole shebang,
but if you can, i definately reccomend checking it out. So far, it's my
favorite GUI client... it's got the best tradeoff of features/bloat/speed.
On Monday 10 December 2001 18:
Today at 9:02am, Erik Jan Tromp said:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:51:12 +0100 (CET)
> Wilbert Berendsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > When switching styles, it seems that Blackbox opens new files for the
> > directories /usr/share/Blackbox/styles and /home/wilbert/.blackbox/styles,
> > without cl
>
> Thanks! I must have missed that conversation in February. Well it's not
> that important, but I was looking how fast bb switches styles, when I
> noticed the open files in qps's details->files field.
>
> great that a 0.61.2 is coming!
>
yep, fixed in the release. Still waiting for anythi
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:52:11 -0800
Chris Gilbreth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When I am resizing a windows with alt+rightmousebutton, if I click the
> left mouse button as I am doing it and drag some more I encounter some
> wierd behaviour. Try it and see; it should be very obvious. The border
>
Today at 1:25pm, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry said:
> >
> > Now, if blackbox receives any of SIGSEGV,SIGFPE, SIGINT or SIGTERM, it
> > calls this shtudonw-function, just as if "exit" had been selected from
> > the menu. It would therefore stand to reason that if you CTRL-ALT-BSPC
> > X, bb should receive
Today at 3:53pm, Jamin W. Collins said:
> On Tue, 2001-12-11 at 15:52, Chris Gilbreth wrote:
> > When I am resizing a windows with alt+rightmousebutton, if I click the
> > left mouse button as I am doing it and drag some more I encounter some
> > wierd behaviour. Try it and see; it should be very
On 11-Dec-2001 Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> Today at 1:25pm, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry said:
>
>> >
>> > Now, if blackbox receives any of SIGSEGV,SIGFPE, SIGINT or SIGTERM, it
>> > calls this shtudonw-function, just as if "exit" had been selected from
>> > the menu. It would therefore stand to reason th
On 11-Dec-2001 Henrik Kinnunen wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:52:11 -0800
> Chris Gilbreth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> When I am resizing a windows with alt+rightmousebutton, if I click the
>> left mouse button as I am doing it and drag some more I encounter some
>> wierd behaviour. Try it a
Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 11-Dec-2001 Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> >> I believe the signal it sends is "X is not here die now". Which bb can not
> >> catch.
> >
> > I think the signal is SIGPIPE (13, Broken pipe), Blackbox just terminates
> > without saving anything.
> >
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On Tuesday 11 December 2001 14:07, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> Christian Dysthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> In addition, mails are stored
> in a standard forat, so that you can easily and happily grep through
> your mail and perform searches that are f
possible bug in either bb, xlib or xfree 4 was the thread's name. Fun reading,
I had forgotten I was involved with it (-:
Yet another bug morel fixed and we never saw ..
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For anyone that's interested... here's a perl script to show how easy it is
to exit-confirm. Call this script in a term window when you want to
exit, and it'll ask for a "Y" or an "N" (case insensitive) no is default,
so hitting enter will not kill b
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You could setup bbkeys to ExecCommand {xterm -e ~/bin/bbexit.pl} and
have a script ask for confirmation (See the email i just sent with a hackish
little perl script)
On Tuesday 11 December 2001 11:31, Eric Christian Carlsen wrote:
> Along with the
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On Tuesday 11 December 2001 17:57, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> On 11-Dec-2001 Wilbert Berendsen wrote:
> > Today at 1:25pm, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry said:
> >
> >> >
> >> > Now, if blackbox receives any of SIGSEGV,SIGFPE, SIGINT or SIGTERM, it
> >> > cal
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Is there support for ALT+Click on windows to bring them forward
regardless of Lock keys? (or is it considered a feature to not be
able to ALT+click while either NUM/CAPS lock are on?)
On Tuesday 11 December 2001 11:46, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On T
>
> Is there a specific signal that could be sent to Blackbox and make
> Blackbox do exactly the same thing as if a user had clicked [exit]
> from within Blackbox ?
>
case SIGSEGV:
case SIGFPE:
scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For anyone that's interested... here's a perl script to show how easy it is
> to exit-confirm. Call this script in a term window when you want to
> exit, and it'll ask for a "Y" or an "N" (case insensitive) no is default,
> so hitting enter will not kill blackb
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On Tuesday 11 December 2001 19:08, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Tuesday 11 December 2001 14:07, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> > > Christian Dysthe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> In which case the following simple patch should fix the problem
> (assuming BB _can_ catch SIGPIPE, and I don't see any reason why it
> shouldn't be able to):
It may also need a signal handler setup. (My patch is below.)
Here is the startx logging and
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2001, scott wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 December 2001 19:08, Jan Schaumann wrote:
> > scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > On Tuesday 11 December 2001 14:07, Jan Schaumann wro
(Oh, like I can resist making the argument worse...)
Here's a quick Gtk+ program that confirms BB's exit. It sends signal 15
(SIGTERM), which BB catches and properly exits itself, most likely bringing
down X with it.
http://www.pointlessmovement.net/hacks/tbbexit.tar.gz
--gile
--
"It's
* Tim Keating ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE is the default keyboard shortcut to exit The X Window
> system. Seems to work with every window manager I've used. No it doesn't
> ask for confirmation.
CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE will kill the X session, this might not be a
problem in blac
Mutt is what I have been using for years. I am writing a series of
articles on e-mail and need to have some GUI clients I can reccommend
or at least some experience with GUI clients.
Jeffrey
Quoting Marc Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 05:53:26PM -0600, Jeffrey Taylor wrot
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