Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi, So the subject of acceptability of screenshots of LibreOffice products taken on Windows is on today's SC confcall agenda, and I'll be there to listen/contribute to the discussion. -- David Nelson -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi, So I'd just like to bring this thread back to its real topic: platforms used to take screenshots for documentation, website images and marketing material. I updated the SC confcall agenda item, proposing this motion for discussion: Do we want to see screenshots taken indifferently from

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread Tom Davies
@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 13:00:37 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team Hi, So I'd just like to bring this thread back to its real topic: platforms used to take screenshots for documentation, website images and marketing material. I updated

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-07-13 at 15:31 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: Tom Davies wrote: I agree with Italo that the different teams have different requirements to achieve different results. As a member of the SC, I would personally avoid to have the SC discuss this issue (which, in my opinion, is

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread André Schnabel
Hi David, Am 13.07.2011 17:34, schrieb David Nelson: I noted your change to the agenda item: (Italo: I do not like the way this item for discussion has been worded, according to what has been discussed in the mailing list) I was invited to add an agenda item for discussion, and this is the

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 Regards from Tom :) From: David Nelson li...@traduction.biz To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 16:34:05 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team Hi Italo, Drew, On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread David Nelson
Hi André, 2011/7/13 André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net: I fully agree with Italo here. The discussion here at the list (and even you comment right now) is focused on the legal implications and what the SC would think of it. Your wording for the agenda item is much broader and requests a

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-13 Thread Tom Davies
:) From: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, 13 July, 2011 16:45:38 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team Hi David, Am 13.07.2011 17:34, schrieb David Nelson: I noted your change to the agenda item: (Italo: I do

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-12 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi, David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-12 11.45: OK, I'll add it to the next agenda and would be there to listen, and to present both sides of the issue, if invited. But if it's going to be a private session then maybe non-SC members won't be party to the discussions? we have a public session

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-12 Thread David Nelson
Hi Florian, On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: we have a public session every week. Oh, sure, but Michael seemed to feel that this might be better discussed in a private session? Would that be the intention? I can sort-of understand that,

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-12 Thread Italo Vignoli
David Nelson wrote: Oh, sure, but Michael seemed to feel that this might be better discussed in a private session? Would that be the intention? I can sort-of understand that, given the kind of debate that might ensue? I don't see why this should be a private discussion. Screenshots usually

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-12 Thread Tom Davies
: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team Hi Florian, On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: we have a public session every week. Oh, sure, but Michael seemed to feel that this might be better discussed in a private session

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-12 Thread Italo Vignoli
Tom Davies wrote: I had hoped the discussion would just congratulate the Documentation Team on neatly avoiding potential pitfalls that would take months to fix if MS used it as a side-issue in a any future dealings with them. It makes sense to use primarily Windows screen-shots in marketing,

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-12 Thread Tom Davies
Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team Tom Davies wrote: I had hoped the discussion would just congratulate the Documentation Team on neatly avoiding potential pitfalls that would take months to fix if MS used it as a side-issue in a any future dealings with them

[steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-10 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 09/07/11 23:32, Simon Phipps a écrit : As someone who also has worked in this field for the best part of a decade, and given the advice Alex has already provided appears extreme, I would suggest also seeking counsel from another specialist if TDF wishes to pursue this path, perhaps from

[steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-10 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 09/07/11 23:26, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi all, Someone suggested I sling in some caselaw or other references on whether copyright protection is available for UIs : US Just one caselaw review : http://www.legalserviceindia.com/articles/crind.htm Europe In European Union Court of Justice

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-10 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 6:30 AM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 09/07/11 23:26, Bernhard Dippold a écrit : Hi all, Someone suggested I sling in some caselaw or other references on whether copyright protection is available for UIs : US Just one caselaw review :

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-09 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi all, just to keep your eye on one of the phrases Alex wrote, I remove most of this mail: Alexander Thurgood schrieb: [...] I make part of my living out of representing IP rights holders in legal actions against those who do not respect those rights, but also defending those who happen to

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-09 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Simon Phipps schrieb: As someone who also has worked in this field for the best part of a decade, and given the advice Alex has already provided appears extreme, I would suggest also seeking counsel from another specialist if TDF wishes to pursue this path, perhaps from SFLC. +1 Bernhard S.

[steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 06/07/11 11:48, Tom Davies a écrit : Everyone : To me, the point has more to do with SC communication. Once again, a topic has raised its head that I considered dealt with, and now it is back on the table. Although not a member of the SC, the question of the legality of screenshot usage and

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-08 Thread Tom Davies
make a 'permanent' ruling. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, 8 July, 2011 9:11:10 Subject: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team Le 06/07/11 11

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-08 Thread David Nelson
Hi Tom, *, @Tom: thank you very much for your kind words and your moral support and practical help regarding Alfresco. However, usage of Alfresco is really a bit off-topic for bringing to the attention of the SC. Alfresco usage/non-usage is more a question of natural, Darwinian

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-08 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) In the MS vs TomTom case significant 'damages' were awarded to MS because TomTom were using a file-system that could be read by Windows http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._TomTom http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Microsoft_v._TomTom_%282008,_USA%29 TomTom 'should' have been paying MS for the

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-08 Thread Simon Phipps
On 8 Jul 2011, at 13:09, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Except screen-shots in Windows can't have any useful arrows or circles to point out the exact thing being talked about in the documentation. Only screenshots of /Microsoft/ products. They can't even be cropped to show off particular

Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team

2011-07-08 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:19 AM, Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com wrote: On 8 Jul 2011, at 13:09, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Except screen-shots in Windows can't have any useful arrows or circles to point out the exact thing being talked about in the documentation. Only screenshots of