Hi Stephan,
Stephan Ficht píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 12:30 +0100:
> wrt the subject line and reading through this thread comes in my
> mind:
>
> "contributors of code" is subset of "contributors of anything" is
> subset
> of "community" is subset of TDF to fulfill its written objectives.
Thank
On 2/10/22 14:56, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Comes to my mind - as you deal with the donors daily, and particularly
ask them why do they want to stop their recurring donations (in case
they do), I wonder if there is an aggregated data available somewhere?
The majority of recurring donations is
Hi all,
On 08/02/2022 17.01, sophi wrote:
Le 07/02/2022 à 19:16, Paolo Vecchi a écrit :
* Members of the ecosystem and others also suggested that we should
spend more money in development
* Bugs, a11y issues and features can be harder to taken care of by
volunteers and are not
Thank you for your support Michael!
I confirm that my proposal does not contemplate at all offering LTS
version or any other services in exchange for donations.
Ciao
Paolo
On 10/02/2022 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Hi all,
On 08/02/2022 17.01, sophi wrote:
Le 07/02/2022 à 19:16, Paolo
Hi Stephan,
Stephan Ficht píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 14:28 +0100:
> Yeah, on the one hand it's satisfaction, and from my POV dealing
> with
> donors nearly every day, on the other hand, and in many cases, it's
> even
> an incentive, a support, and an expectation to improve what the wide
>
Hi Lothar,
Lothar K. Becker píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 11:12 +0100:
> It was one of my first and foremost task as chair - and let me add it
> was hard time consuming work - that everybody was heard and could
> speak, it is simply not true, that contributors wasn't heard.
I am sorry, I didn't
Hi,
Some parts of LibreOffice are not covered by the ecosystem...
Although we sometimes have customers who ask for improvements :
May be those topics below are not fashionable but they contribute to give
some credibility to LibreOffice
- VBA compatibility
- Basic bugs
- Base enhancement
-
Hi Regis,
Regis Perdreau píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 11:21 +0100:
> Some parts of LibreOffice are not covered by the ecosystem...
> Although we sometimes have customers who ask for improvements :
If you talk about customers - it sounds like there is a company willing
to pay to fix those. With my
Hi Kendy,
Am 10.02.2022 um 10:49 schrieb Jan
Holesovsky:
because from what I can see, TDF was not listening to the contributors
the last 2 years too much.
sorry to step in here but at this point I have to take part:
It was one
Hi *,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> On 09/02/2022 15:57, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
> > It is important to understand that "community" means "contributors"; as
> > opposed to "users". "Users" are not part of the "community", until
> > they start contributing; via code, QA, translations, marketing under
> >
Hi Kendy,
On 10/02/2022 10:49, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 19:56 +0100:
He asked himself quite a few interesting questions:
"Without sharing too much, there are some moral questions popping up
for
me. Who owns the community? Who owns ownCloud itself?
Hi Olivier,
Olivier Hallot wrote:
> Other users express their happiness translating, adding linguistic stuff,
> documenting and building culture in askbot, telegram channels and regional
> meetings.
>
I would consider those users contributors.
> I wonder who is actually listening to users.
>
I
Hi Stephan,
Le 10/02/2022 à 12:30, Stephan Ficht a écrit :
Hello,
wrt the subject line and reading through this thread comes in my mind:
"contributors of code" is subset of "contributors of anything" is subset
of "community" is subset of TDF to fulfill its written objectives.
So, everyone
Hi Olivier,
+1
Am 10.02.22 um 13:50 schrieb Olivier Hallot:
One cent in donation is a manifest of satisfaction on LibreOffice.
It sums to ~1M yearly of users satisfaction.
Yeah, on the one hand it's satisfaction, and from my POV dealing with
donors nearly every day, on the other hand, and in
Hi Kendy,
On 09/02/2022 15:57, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 15:09 +0100:
The community and our valuable members of the ecosystem have been
asking us to invest more in development
It is important to understand that "community" means "contributors"; as
Hello,
wrt the subject line and reading through this thread comes in my mind:
"contributors of code" is subset of "contributors of anything" is subset
of "community" is subset of TDF to fulfill its written objectives.
So, everyone and everything being an important piece in the mosaic for
+1
Maybe the only thing missing is "users" as subset of community.
I guess that the "contributors of anything" are also "users" of
LibreOffice and that any "user" is a potential "contributor of anything" ;-)
Ciao
Paolo
On 10/02/2022 12:30, Stephan Ficht wrote:
Hello,
wrt the subject line
Thanks for making it clearer.
I'd like to imagine LibreOffice with myriads of code contributors and no
users. Better not.
Fact: users donate.
Currently donation is not tied to any TDF obligation, it is an
expression of satisfaction or good will. Donation is a also pain that
users go thru
Thanks Olivier!
I'm pleased that you clarified the importance of users so well but I'm
also worried about the fact that this clarification was needed in the
first place.
Ciao
Paolo
On 10/02/2022 13:50, Olivier Hallot wrote:
Thanks for making it clearer.
I'd like to imagine LibreOffice
Hi Daniel,
On 10/02/2022 14:53, Daniel A. Rodriguez wrote:
El 10/2/22 a las 08:30, Stephan Ficht escribió:
So, everyone and everything being an important piece in the mosaic for
the big picture for a FLOSS office suite, called LibreOffice.
Crystal clear, for some of us at least
This reminds
On 2/10/22 17:53, Michael Meeks wrote:
It would be deeply unfortunate if the above was read as questioning
the legitimacy and composition of the new board - and that before they
have been seated and/or taken a single decision. It would be good to
clarify that reading.
I am not
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> I was actually disagreeing with a statement saying that users are not part
> of the community.
>
Then we have to agree to disagree.
Sole users (i.e. without contributing anything to the community) are
to my mind never part of a FLOSS project community.
The rest
On 2/10/22 17:27, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
reaching a consensus on this very simple point. If the discussion
stays
as such, I have to say that I don't feel I am represented - as a TDF
Member - by any member of the just elected board
Hi Thorsten,
On 10/02/2022 17.55, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Sole users (i.e. without contributing anything to the community) are
to my mind never part of a FLOSS project community.
Just to mention it, the KDE Code of Conduct [1] contains this:
Our community is made up of several groups of
Hi Thorsten!
Thanks for your positive contribution which I agree with completely
(although I do have a comment, see below).
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 5:09 PM Thorsten Behrens
wrote:
> Hi *,
>
> with the lively discussion ensuing here, it is perhaps worth sharing
> my position ahead of the board
Hi all,
On 10/02/2022 12:59, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Hi *,
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
On 09/02/2022 15:57, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
It is important to understand that "community" means "contributors"; as
opposed to "users". "Users" are not part of the "community", until
they start contributing; via
Hi Kendy,
Le 10/02/2022 à 17:27, Jan Holesovsky a écrit :
Hi Italo,
Italo Vignoli píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 16:31 +0100:
Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
reaching a consensus on this very simple point. If the discussion
stays
as such, I have to say that I don't
Hi all,
I'd just like to comment on the exchange below, from my perspective:
Le 10/02/2022 à 15:27, Italo Vignoli a écrit :
Then there is a number of donors who ask to stop the recurring
donation. Some of them provide a reason, which in some cases is that
he wanted to donate once and not
El 10/2/22 a las 08:30, Stephan Ficht escribió:
Hello,
wrt the subject line and reading through this thread comes in my mind:
"contributors of code" is subset of "contributors of anything" is
subset of "community" is subset of TDF to fulfill its written objectives.
So, everyone and
Hi Italo,
thanks for your reply.
On 10/02/2022 16.31, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 2/10/22 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Of course, in case the main intention were for TDF to provide more
business-like services (like an LTS version or creating an impression
of "donate a certain amount of money
Hi *,
with the lively discussion ensuing here, it is perhaps worth sharing
my position ahead of the board call tomorrow:
Paolo Vecchi wrote:
> Enable TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice with in-house developers
> to address our donors specific needs
>
I think it is worth considering,
On 10.02.2022 17:56, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Hi Michael (W.),
I absolutely agree with what you wrote.
My deepest thank you for being so open-minded!
On 10/02/2022 16.31, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 2/10/22 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
Of course, in case the main intention were for TDF to provide
Hi,
Am 10.02.22 um 16:54 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 19:58 +0100:
once I read this sentences the first time, I thought I was in a
different film in 2010. But maybe I didn't understand the situation
in OOo project at that time.
I may be wrong,
Hi all!
On Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 4:45 PM sophi wrote:
>
> Their is even no written proposal at the moment, but only a discussion
> on the pros and cons and what it could bring to the project. But it
> seems impossible to discuss because the ecosystem companies won't allow it.
>
And yet it seems
+1 from me
Ciao
Paolo
Note to self: propose to institute a position for an honorary member of
the board.
On 10/02/2022 22:32, Andreas Mantke wrote:
Hi,
Am 10.02.22 um 16:54 schrieb Jan Holesovsky:
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 19:58 +0100:
once I read this
On 10.02.2022 17:44, sophi wrote:
Hi Sophie, hi all,
And I feel the same. Hiring developers is not the only way forward,
it's one of them. We, as members, knows the ecosystem companies have
needs and I (for myself) understand perfectly the market pressure. But
here, as a member of TDF, we
On 10.02.2022 17:53, Michael Meeks wrote:
Hi Michael, all,
It seems reasonable to explore what people should be hired to do -
before hiring them =) That has the benefit of working out what skills
are needed in the job advert and/or interview process for example. The
'discussion' here
Hi Thorsten, all,
On 10/02/2022 18.07, Thorsten Behrens wrote:
It is putting the cart in front of the horse though, to start with:
* we want TDF to contribute more code to LibreOffice
and then follow with
* therefore we must employ two developers
Whether or not that's an adequate summary
Hi Michael, all,
On 10/02/2022 17.53, Michael Meeks wrote:
There is a huge amount of need around LibreOffice development. It
is easy to find a hundred different "top priority" issues each dear to
the heart of a user, each user convinced that if only we had eg. 'Reveal
Codes' in writer
Hi Michael,
[reordered for the sake of a linear argument]
Michael Weghorn wrote:
> and I remember that the importance of users was emphasized at some in-person
> event I attended (probably Akademy) as well.
>
And I would agree. A user-facing project (opensource or not) that
doesn't care about
Hi Italo,
Awesome, thank you so much for the summary!
All the best,
Kendy
Italo Vignoli píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 15:27 +0100:
> On 2/10/22 14:56, Jan Holesovsky wrote:
>
> > Comes to my mind - as you deal with the donors daily, and
> > particularly
> > ask them why do they want to stop their
Hi Andreas,
Andreas Mantke píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 19:58 +0100:
> once I read this sentences the first time, I thought I was in a
> different film in 2010. But maybe I didn't understand the situation
> in OOo project at that time.
I may be wrong, it is a long time ago, but from what I
Hi Italo,
Italo Vignoli píše v Čt 10. 02. 2022 v 16:31 +0100:
> Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
> reaching a consensus on this very simple point. If the discussion
> stays
> as such, I have to say that I don't feel I am represented - as a TDF
> Member - by any
Hi Italo,
On 10/02/2022 15:31, Italo Vignoli wrote:
On 2/10/22 13:36, Michael Weghorn wrote:
I have the impression that a fundamentally important question is what
the purpose/task of TDF-internal developers would be.
Yes, but it looks like the discussion is blocked one step before
reaching
Hi Paolo,
Paolo Vecchi píše v St 09. 02. 2022 v 19:56 +0100:
> He asked himself quite a few interesting questions:
> "Without sharing too much, there are some moral questions popping up
> for
> me. Who owns the community? Who owns ownCloud itself? And what
> matters
> more, short term money or
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