http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0220-11.htm
Gay Marriage? Blame It On Jefferson...
by Thom Hartmann
It's never been tried before. The Bible doesn't mention it.
Civilized people have never done things this way. No society in the
6000 years of the history of civilization since Gilgamesh
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 12:49:10AM -0500, Bryon Daly wrote:
Jan wrote:
Ritu wrote:
About that Indian chap you quoted above, the only way he was
telling the truth was if each US developer is paid around USD
60,000 pm. Is that the going rate in the US?
No, for a very poorly paid,
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:08 AM
Subject: Gas Prices
How much are you paying in your part of the country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that
linked to the
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Gas Prices
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From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06,
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:08:20 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that
linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes, that is high
http://tinyurl.com/yv6pj
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From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Gas Prices
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:08:20 -0600, Robert Seeberger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How much are you paying in your part
Jan Coffey wrote:
Of course right now, people are taking temp work for 60 or 70, but
you can't live on that here. You couldn't even pay for shelter and
food for a family of 3 on that, much less have traspertation to and
from work. Non-skilled labor like washing toilets is 60.
WTF??? Are you
Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture
on drudge that linked to the article below shows $2.28.
Yikes, that is high
Last time I checked here, it was $1.699 per gallon for regular
unleaded, and
At 09:08 AM 3/6/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that
linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes, that is high
Actually, $2.28 strikes me as a very reasonable price,
$2.15 for regular here and predicted to hit $3 this summer.
Doug
Where are you at Doug?
Prices here in Central Ohio are $1.79. They did their typical Thursday
morning price jump.
Gary
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From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: Bases, was Re: Stirling engine queries
Robert Seeberger wrote:
...
I'd say that this stuff gets pretty fuzzy. One could argue
Amusing article--Keith Henson
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096491/entry/2096506/
How Will the Universe End?
A cosmic detective story about the demise of the world, in three parts.
By Jim Holt
...
What could our descendants possibly look like a trillion trillion trillion
years from now, when the
TM4, a company in the Hydro-Quebec group, had developed an `inside
out' motor for a wheel in which the inner part stays still and the
tire moves. TM4 claims the motor is light, which reduces the problem
of unsprung weight.
The Web site is:
At 09:06 PM 3/3/2004 - Jan Coffey wrote:
Personaly I am a little tired of the Republican party pretending to
be the most ficaly sound. If that is so, then why does everyone
(except the very wealthy americans) allways seem to do well when we
have a democratic president, but everyone looses
At 02:14 PM 3/5/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'm for free trade as long as the environment and labor practices are
taken into account (I agree with most of what Erik had to say). However,
I do agree somewhat with Jan that U.S. corporations should have some
loyalty to the country that
On 6 Mar 2004, at 3:08 pm, Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that
linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes, that is high
http://tinyurl.com/yv6pj
About $5 here in the UK...
--
At 04:11 PM 3/2/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Clearly, the 90's were unusual.
In some ways, but not in employment. The job growth from '92 to '00 was
21%. The average job growth over 8 years, since the '40-'48 comparison,
was 18%: higher than average, but not unusual. The sixties saw far
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom
At 02:14 PM 3/5/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I'm for free trade as long as the environment and labor
http://tinyurl.com/3f4m6
Peter Jackson won't be returning to the Shire any time soon. The
Oscar-winning director is planning to film The Hobbit, the prequel
to The Lord of the Rings, trilogy by J.R.R. Tolkien, but two studios
must first fight over legal rights to the film.
Jackson said New Line
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 1:06 PM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom
At 04:11 PM 3/2/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Clearly, the 90's were unusual.
In some ways, but not in
On 6 Mar 2004, at 5:49 am, Bryon Daly wrote:
From: Jan Coffey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
No, for a very poorly paid, just out of School developer who can't
show that they know how to code maybe. Actualy scratch that, it would
have to be a QA trainee (like the sit and play video games and
complain about
Gary Nunn wrote:
$2.15 for regular here and predicted to hit $3 this summer.
Doug
Where are you at Doug?
Prices here in Central Ohio are $1.79. They did their typical Thursday
morning price jump.
S.F. bay area, Ca.
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Doug
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I understand, but what I was saying is that it doesn't really make all
that much a difference. There are just too many cases where you would
still be using fractions and decimals, so a different base doesn't
simplify things in the long run.
Base 12 might be helpful when doing math in your
John wrote:
Here is an article with the data, and an interesting discussion of this
topic:
http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2446951
So, is this a solicitation or were you going to lend us your password?
8^)
--
Doug
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From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: Race to the Bottom
I didn't finish a thought, sorry all.
Something lower than the average unemployment between 66-69. The lowest
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From: David Hobby [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Bases, was Re: Stirling engine queries
Am I wrong in thinking this?
No, you're right. To first order, any base would work.
But
In a message dated 3/6/2004 12:24:40 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You Knew It Would Happen Maru
But the best voice for Smaug is already doing Elrond.
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At 10:38 PM 3/5/04, Kevin Tarr wrote:
At 06:01 PM 3/5/2004, you wrote:
What I didn't add: the main reason for moving the ST was to bring
property tax relief.
In other words, shift the tax burden from the well-off (property
owners) to the less-well-off (the poor, who spend a much higher
In a message dated 3/6/2004 1:58:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But (if your locality is like many, where property taxes are the major
source of funding for schools) what about the children?
-- Ronn! :)
They taste good with ketchup.
---Smaug, get out
At 08:48 PM 3/4/04, William T Goodall wrote:
I'm not pledging allegiance to anyone's ass. And who is Tex?
I thought Tex rode a horse, not an ass . . .
OSL Maru
-- Ronn! :)
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Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the picture on drudge that
linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes, that is high
--
In Korea, gas prices at the Army and Air Force
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 02:27:58PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Here is an article with the data, and an interesting discussion of
this topic:
http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2446951
I needed to pay, AFAIK, to get the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/6/2004 1:58:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But (if your locality is like many, where property taxes are the major
source of funding for schools) what about the children?
-- Ronn! :)
They taste good
In a message dated 3/6/2004 2:46:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
what about the children?
-- Ronn! :)
They taste good with ketchup.
---Smaug, get out of here. You're in the wrong string of messages.
But are they crunchy?
Julia
Considering
At 12:20 PM 3/6/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
John wrote:
Here is an article with the data, and an interesting discussion of this
topic:
http://www.economist.com/PrinterFriendly.cfm?Story_ID=2446951
So, is this a solicitation or were you going to lend us your password?
8^)
Drats.
At 02:34 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
I didn't finish a thought, sorry all.
Something lower than the average unemployment between 66-69. The lowest
yearly unemployment rate under Clinton was
4.0%. (There was indeed a 1 month dip to 3.8%.) The average unemployment
between '66 and
At 01:08 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
Conversely, do you see companies actually lowering prices for goods or
services after outsourcing or offshoring.
I don't see savings being passed on to consumers so much as being
shared with investors.
All of the major price programs have
At 01:48 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
At 04:11 PM 3/2/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Clearly, the 90's were unusual.
In some ways, but not in employment. The job growth from '92 to '00 was
21%. The average job growth over 8 years, since the '40-'48 comparison,
was 18%: higher than
At 02:27 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
I'm sorry Dan, but I suspect that you could not find a single PhD
economist
who would agree with your assertion that the 1990's were, quote, not
unusual in employment.
And, if I do? Is that PhD economist then wrong.
He would be an outlier.
At 03:46 PM 3/6/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/6/2004 1:58:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But (if your locality is like many, where property taxes are the major
source of funding for schools) what about the children?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the best voice for Smaug is already doing Elrond.
That didn't stop John Rhys Davies from playing both Gimli and
the voice of Treebeard.
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Steve Sloan . Huntsville, Alabama =
From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You toss a lot of numbers out here, and reach a conclusion that is the
economic equivalent of the world is only 15,000 years old.
You toss a lot of rhetoric out here, and preach an reganonomic theory
that is the economic equivalent of the world is only
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 04:52:18PM -0500, John D. Giorgis wrote:
In any Economics 101 textbook, you will find a concept called the
Non-Accelerating Inflation Unemployment Rate, or NAIRU. This
is considered by economists to be the lowest sustainable rate of
unemployment without increasing the
On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 01:48:01PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
Fine. Give me the ecconomic equivalant of carbon dating.
A couple economic principles relevant to free trade are:
- David Ricardo's principle of comparative advantage
- Abba Lerner's symmetry theorem stating the equivalence between
John wrote:
My data is taken from an enclosed graph, which I will happily send to
anyone who asks for it.
And in a way, I guess this is a soliciation, as in my mind _The
Economist_
is head and shoulders above any other news magazine out there.
So how do you answer the critisizm leveled in the
At 03:56 PM 3/6/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
John wrote:
My data is taken from an enclosed graph, which I will happily send to
anyone who asks for it.
And in a way, I guess this is a soliciation, as in my mind _The
Economist_
is head and shoulders above any other news magazine out
At 08:02 PM 3/4/2004 -0500 Kevin Tarr wrote:
's funny, when I was down there the natives were proud to be from texas, to
have their own pledge, that texas history was a requirment in grades x- xx.
New York State history is the curriculum in 7th and 4th grades in New York
State.
JDG - The
Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[I wrote]
Wrong again. Others have posted on this, re:
berdache early Christian centuries.
I would take comments on early Christians condoning
homosexual marriages
with a very large grain of salt. I am associated
with More Light
Presbyterians,
At 09:44 PM 3/3/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
In Texas, school children are required to either say the pledge of
allegence to Texas or to stand respectfully while others do. Ted says the
US pledge of allegence, because he feels comfortable doing so. He's not
against Texas, but he and I don't see
At 08:20 PM 3/1/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
You know, you're the second person recently to say
this. While Antietam was the deadliest day in
American history, Shiloh actually isn't even in the
top 5 in casualties in a single battle in the Civil
War. Gettysburg was the largest. Shiloh was
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the
country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the
picture on drudge that
linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes,
Describe how to count up to 1023 on 10 fingers. :)
132 to you!
Am I right in thinking that that 132 suggests strange bases?
I used the quadraditic equation to figure out the bases -- there are
two, one positive and one negative:
For any equation
ax^2 + bx + c = 0
Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote,
I think that internal combustion gasoline and diesel engines would
have been much more attractive in the 1930's and 1940's. They
were more efficient and had better power to weight ratios.
Gasoline internal combustion engines just
In a message dated 3/6/2004 6:03:57 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
; I live 45 minutes from
the office and 30 minutes from the stable; I have
always tried to plan things like grocery shopping etc.
to be 'on the way home.'
Debbi
whose next car will be a hybrid fer
Debbi wrote:
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the
country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the
picture on drudge that
linked to the article below shows $2.28. Yikes,
Gas in my area fluctuates fron $1.65 at BP to $1.69 at
Mobil for the low grade stuff.
whose next car will be a hybrid fer sure
Ah if only they made a hybrid Jetta...
Damon.
=
Damon Agretto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Qui desiderat
At 12:11 PM 3/5/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
It is positive to see that The Fool's opposition to the War in Iraq is
now
based on the fact that we did not attack Iraq soon enough.
Glad to see that you are on board.
The fact that the terrorist camp was in Iraq was incidental. One can
At 12:36 PM 3/6/2004 -0500 Keith Henson wrote:
Amusing article--Keith Henson
http://slate.msn.com/id/2096491/entry/2096506/
Allow me to second this article, not just because it includes an interview
with CWRU's Lawrence Krause. :-)
It really was a fascinating trip into cosmology.Moreover,
At 03:39 PM 3/4/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote:
http://www.ktok.com/cc-common/feeds/view.php?feed_id=135feed=/local.htm
linstance=1article_id=1559
Cole Claims a Vote Against Bush Is a Vote For Hitler
Wednesday, March 3, 2004 at 9:04pm
Republican Congressman Tom Cole claims a vote against the
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: OSC Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 15:29:38 -0800
Maybe we should suggest he read his own book. G
--
Doug
Or at least the part when Ender starts to feel bad.
At 05:34 PM 3/5/2004 -0500 Tom Beck wrote:
www.presidentialprayerteam.org
Why does this bother me so much? Since I have no fear whatsoever that
being Jewish (and, therefore, not being saved as these Christians put
it) means I'm going to hell (as a Jew, I don't believe in anything like
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [L3]Re: Orson Scott Card's take on Homosexual 'Marriage'
andCivilization
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 18:28:31 -0500
On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 02:41:36PM -0800,
I'd like to see this amendment introduced:
Personhood in the United States shall consist only of human beings born
from human parents. Neither this Constitution or the constitution of any
state, nor state or federal law, shall be construed to grant Personhood
or the legal incidents thereof be
On Saturday 2004-03-06 18:16, Robert J. Chassell wrote:
Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote,
Given the technology of the times, what do you think would have been
the power to weight ratio of a Stirling engine whose fluid was, say
compressed hydrogen at 3000 lbs/sq-in (3000 psi, ~200 bar, or
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 03:46 PM 3/6/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 3/6/2004 1:58:30 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But (if your locality is like many, where property taxes are the major
source of funding
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 09:44 PM 3/3/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
In Texas, school children are required to either say the pledge of
allegence to Texas or to stand respectfully while others do. Ted says the
US pledge of allegence, because he feels comfortable doing so. He's not
against
Deborah Harrell wrote:
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Robert Seeberger wrote:
How much are you paying in your part of the
country?
$1.56 or so down the street from me, but the
picture on drudge that
linked to the
At 09:38 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
There are a number of Texans who make a big deal out of Texas having
been a sovereign nation before it was a state, and maybe this pledge
thing fits in with that mindset.
I suspect that this thing has as much to do with Lost Cause Confederacy
as
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 09:38 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
There are a number of Texans who make a big deal out of Texas having
been a sovereign nation before it was a state, and maybe this pledge
thing fits in with that mindset.
I suspect that this thing has as much to do
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: States Bent on Collecting Internet Taxes
Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 03:46 PM 3/6/04, Julia Thompson wrote:
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: Pledge of Allegence
At 09:38 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
There are a number of Texans who make a big deal out of
At 10:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
At 09:38 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
There are a number of Texans who make a big deal out of Texas
having
been a sovereign nation before it was a state, and maybe this
pledge
thing fits in with that mindset.
I suspect that this
An interesting rebuttal to Paul O'Neill's assertions as conveyed in The
Price of Loyalty. Moreover, a fascinating look inside the operations of
The White House
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004553
It is in the area of tax policy that Mr. O'Neill seems most aggrieved, both
about
At 10:15 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
I'm almost afraid to research the rest of my ballot. If I don't do
research, though, I will vote on those two offices and only those two
offices.
I cast my vote for Dubya and his three delegates on Super Tuesday and
the touch screens in my
--- John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My Maryland, My Maryland. :-)
JDG
Could I say, as a Marylander since about the second
day of my life (I was born in Washington DC) how much
I _hate_ that song? I mean really, really hate that
song. The state needs to get rid of it pretty much
Damon Agretto wrote:
Ah if only they made a hybrid Jetta...
A man after my own heart. :-)
I currently drive a silver 2000 Jetta, and my previous car was
a 1994 Jetta in some sort of weird eggplanty purple color. The
one before that was a 1985 VW Golf, which drove very reliably
for the whole time
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From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pledge of Allegence
At 10:26 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Robert Seeberger wrote:
At 09:38 PM 3/6/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote:
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From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: Pledge of Allegence
John D. Giorgis wrote:
At 09:44 PM 3/3/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
In Texas, school children are
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