On the subject of taxes, was Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda quoted from someone on ABC They include a belief that government is a mechanism to solve the nation's problems; that more taxes on corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the deficit and raise money for social spending and don't have a negative affect on economic growth; a

Dune short story

2004-05-14 Thread G. D. Akin
While looking for the precise release date of "Ringworld's Children" at the Tor site, I came across a "Dune" short story by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson. It takes place just before "Dune: The Butlerian Jihad." http://www.tor.com/hunting.html George A ___

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread G. D. Akin
Dave Land wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > I don't recall reading any Vonnegut novels (though I'm > > sure I must have read some short stories in > > anthologies) - have to remedy that. > > Not sure whether my word has any weight for you, but I read most of what > he wrote, and have enjoyed i

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 10:24:29PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > Indeed, IMHO, Target has often provided better value than Wal-Mart. > I've been shopping there for almost 40 years. The prices are slightly > higher, but I feel that the better quality of the material is worth > it. (e.g. the clothes

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 08:23:15PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: > I would say that the economic policies of the Clinton Administration > pretty closely approximate my ideal (I would cut taxes and spending > more, but I can definitely live with what we had). You think so? Wait 20 years and see if

Re: Pentagon admits Geneva convention violations approved?

2004-05-14 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 10:49:01PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: > Doesn't an occupying power have a requirement to treat the citizens > of the occupied state humanely? It was agreed that this was inhumane > treatment, and it appears to be that it was officially approved. It fits the Bush Administr

Re: What America Does with its Hegemony

2004-05-14 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 09:54 PM 5/13/2004, you wrote: Steve Sloan wrote: Doug Pensinger wrote: > What did the U.S. have to gain by intervening in Rwanda? Diddly squat, but that doesn't mean dedicated critics of the US couldn't come up with something. Presumably, Rwanda had something useful enough for past Europea

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread JDG
At 08:23 PM 5/13/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > If President >Clinton had not had a Republican Congress - then >things would have been very different. Yeah, HillaryCare was defeated by what, one vote? (In a Democratic Congress no less.) But to listen to Dan tell it, you would think

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But to listen to Dan tell it, you would think that > after Bill Clinton was > elected in 1992 he attacked balancing the budget > with a single-minded focus. > > JDG Relative to our current President, he's right, sadly enough. = Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTE

Re: Yay!

2004-05-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Ritu wrote: ... So this morning, after six long years, I woke up to an India whose next govt wouldn't dismiss secularism as 'leftist appeasement/cowardly reaction', wouldn't offend me by insisting that some citizens live on the sufferance of others, wouldn't infuriate me by acting as if the carnag

Re: Pentagon admits Geneva convention violations approved?

2004-05-14 Thread Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten
Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: If this is true, then it is an extremely serious manner. It would be admitting deliberate, systematic, authorized violations of the Geneva Convention. That is not just the actions of a few bad apples. It seems to me to be high l

Re: Shopping Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
From the subject line, one might wonder just what you have been shopping for . . . Other Possible Wisecracks Withheld Out Of Respect Maru -- Ronn! :) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

JAG shut out of the writing of the rules for interrogation?

2004-05-14 Thread Dan Minette
At http://tinyurl.com/274uz The head of the New York bar association has stated that a number of high ranking military lawyers came to him complaining that they were shut out of the drawing up of the rules for interrogation in Iraq. The only motivation for this that I can think of is the fear t

Re: Shopping Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > From the subject line, one might wonder just what you have been shopping > for . . . > Hm. Well, to tie it in to SF, read _Barrayar_ by Lois McMaster Bujold and then get back to me on the subject line. Julia Thread Drift Maru _

RE: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Horn, John
> From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > any single actor in the American system. If President > Clinton had not had a Republican Congress - then > things would have been very different. If that same > Republican Congress had not had a Democratic President > - then things would have bee

Rediculous loosers

2004-05-14 Thread William T Goodall
When did the spelling of 'ridiculous' and 'lose' get changed, and why didn't I get the memo? Is it some kind of l33t spelling or just ignorance? ('Loosers' always makes me think of incontinence pants...) -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web : http://www.wtgab.demon.co.uk Blog : ht

Re: Rediculous loosers

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
William T Goodall wrote: When did the spelling of 'ridiculous' and 'lose' get changed, and why didn't I get the memo? The "Speling Simplifikashun Ak of 2004" was pasd by kongres and synd by President-for-life Bush right after the kansilashun of the elekshunz. Is it some kind of l33t spelling or

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
G. D. Akin wrote: Carries weight with me; I've read everything he's written. The only book I didn't really like was "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater." To begin reading, go to "Slaughterhouse Five" first, then "The Sirens of Titan". Yes, and don't stop there. Vonnegut's books are not only hilarious i

Re: Yay!

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: Is the replacing government well equipped to make changes? Or is it just more of the same but with a different undercurrent? I still don't understand how an originally born Italian can be a well equipped prime minister of the largest democracy in the world. Can

Re: Rediculous loosers

2004-05-14 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: > > William T Goodall wrote: > > When did the spelling of 'ridiculous' and 'lose' get changed, and why > > didn't I get the memo? > > The "Speling Simplifikashun Ak of 2004" was pasd by kongres and synd by > President-for-life Bush right after the kansilashun of the elekshunz. >

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Julia Thompson
Dave Land wrote: > > G. D. Akin wrote: > > > Carries weight with me; I've read everything he's written. The only book I > > didn't really like was "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater." > > > > To begin reading, go to "Slaughterhouse Five" first, then "The Sirens of > > Titan". > > Yes, and don't stop

Re: Fox news: Iraq Torture Scandal: 'morally superior racism'

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
Robert Seeberger wrote: To some degree, *We* are the barbarians at the gate. We have shamed ourselves in front of the world, and that makes me feel ashamed *and* angry. (Note that I am not pointing a finger and blaming soldiers or presidents. As an American I figure I have to share some of the bla

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Gary Denton
I have liked all of Vonnegut's. Some of his more recent I don't feel works as well. I loved 'God Bless You Mr. Rosewater' and 'Mother Night.' They are not science fiction but have strong moral points. Except for one or two short stories everything else of his I've read is science fiction althoug

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > I don't recall reading any Vonnegut novels (though > >I'm sure I must have read some short stories in > > anthologies) - have to remedy that. > Vonnegut skewers left, right, center and dimensions > that even > Libertarians

Vampires (was: Neanderthal)

2004-05-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
> Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Debbi wrote: > > who admits to having a bit of a thing for > > vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... > ;} > Too much Barnibus (sp?) as a youth? I think it's Barnibas -- wasn't 'Dark Shadows' a deliciously wicked thing to watch, for

Re: Sah'ot invents a new form of poetry.

2004-05-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Sah'ot's Poetic Form > The civilian poet anthropologist. The dolphin > civilian poet anthropologist > He can't write dolphin poetry--that'd be too > revealing. > So he has to invent a new form of poetry > Holo-cubism. > If you place yourself inside

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Harrell wrote: [extensive snippage] ...Of course, I have no idea if this is what he intended, but he's talking about the psychological concept of "thrownness," and he describes it better than many articles that purport to be /about/ thrownness. There's a term that's new to me...sounds li

Scouted: Gang Member = Terrorist

2004-05-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
Anybody who murders, rapes or commits other violent- crimes-against-persons needs to be caught and prosecuted 'to the max' IMO, but does that make them a terrorist? http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/05/14/gang.terror.ap/index.html "NEW YORK (AP) -- Nineteen members of a street gang accused of menacing t

Scouted: Another animal invader

2004-05-14 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040514/ap_on_sc/alien_fish "ROCKVILLE, Md. - A second northern snakehead has been caught by a fisherman in the Potomac River, Maryland officials said, a sign that the destructive alien species may have invaded the Washington area's

Re: Animal Invasions

2004-05-14 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 May 2004, at 12:16 am, Robert Seeberger wrote: They're Here -- Cicada Cycle Fascinates U.S. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1896&u=/nm/20040512/us_nm/ science_cicadas_dc_7&printer=1 http://tinyurl.com/3fx74 Thanks for posting that, it was an amusing read. Nothing to add Maru -- W

RE: Scouted: Gang Member = Terrorist

2004-05-14 Thread Gary Nunn
> Anybody who murders, rapes or commits other violent- > crimes-against-persons needs to be caught and prosecuted 'to > the max' IMO, but does that make them a terrorist? My knee-jerk reaction to this was that this was yet another case of authority abuse and overkill, but after thinking it over

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread JDG
At 06:08 AM 5/14/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> But to listen to Dan tell it, you would think that >> after Bill Clinton was >> elected in 1992 he attacked balancing the budget >> with a single-minded focus. >> >> JDG > >Relative to our current President, h

Re: Vampires (was: Neanderthal)

2004-05-14 Thread William T Goodall
On 14 May 2004, at 11:44 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote: Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Debbi wrote: who admits to having a bit of a thing for vampires-struggling-to-overcome-their-bloodlust... ;} Too much Barnibus (sp?) as a youth? I think it's Barnibas -- wasn't 'Dark Shadows' a delici

Hoax Iraq pictures

2004-05-14 Thread William T Goodall
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm "Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan has been sacked after the newspaper conceded photos of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi were fake. In a statement the Mirror said it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax" and that it would be

Re: Kurt Vonnegut on the state of the world

2004-05-14 Thread G. D. Akin
Julia Thompson wrote: > Dave Land wrote: > > > > G. D. Akin wrote: > > > > > Carries weight with me; I've read everything he's written. The only book I > > > didn't really like was "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater." > > > > > > To begin reading, go to "Slaughterhouse Five" first, then "The Sirens of

Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse

2004-05-14 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And thus our current President presided over one of > the mildest recessions > ever - even after the bursting of an asset bubble no > less! Well, true enough, but: 1. How much of that is he responsible for? Probably a lot. Let's be fair. The President applie

Russia Flat Tax

2004-05-14 Thread Kevin Tarr
April 26, 2004 The Flat Tax at Work in Russia: Year Three by Alvin Rabushka On January 1, 2001, a 13% flat-rate tax on personal income took effect in Russia. (The general principles and beneficial economic effects of the flat tax appear in The Flat Tax.) Russia's 13% flat tax replaced a three-bra

Re: Rediculous loosers

2004-05-14 Thread David Hobby
Julia Thompson wrote: ... > > The "Speling Simplifikashun Ak of 2004" was pasd by kongres and synd by > > President-for-life Bush right after the kansilashun of the elekshunz. > > ... > > In keeping with that spirit, this community is fairly relaxed about > > spelling errors. In fact, it may be the

RE: Yay!

2004-05-14 Thread Ritu
Sonja wrote: > Is the replacing government well equipped to make changes? Well, we don't know what the composition of the govt. would be [other than it would be predominantly Congress] but there are some good men in the party and they do have long years of experience in governance. > Or is it j

Re: Rediculous loosers

2004-05-14 Thread Julia Thompson
David Hobby wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > ... > > > The "Speling Simplifikashun Ak of 2004" was pasd by kongres and synd by > > > President-for-life Bush right after the kansilashun of the elekshunz. > > > > ... > > > In keeping with that spirit, this community is fairly relaxed about > > > s