Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Gary Denton
On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:39:40 -0400, Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The other usage of Dark Ages is the general view of the poverty, superstitious ignorance, and stagnation during this period. This persisted until the rebirth of reason known as the Renaissance. This opened up a

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

2004-05-25 Thread The Fool
-- From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do I turn every discussion into an anti-Palladium thread? No, you just show your agenda in other ways... Perhaps. http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/21/13392/6893 Christian Reconstructionism - The Foundation of Modern Conservatism

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 24 May 2004, at 11:14 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathar Second, Bruderhof abuse in Google lists almost 3000 pages. Try http://www.perefound.org/jr_cn.html or Google Bruderhof

America has got Asperger's syndrome

2004-05-25 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/05/25/ do2502.xml In his smart new novel, Transmission, Hari Kunzri quotes a questionnaire designed to help people establish whether or not they suffer from Asperger's syndrome. Here are the key questions: a) Do you find it

Re: More on the environmental movement

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Matt Grimaldi wrote: Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:12 PM Subject: Re: More on the environmental movement I didn't know that. All I knew was, a

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Damon Agretto
Dark Ages, a period of stagnation and obscurity in literature and art, lasting, according to Hallam, nearly 1000 years, from about 500 to about 1500 A. D.. See Middle Ages, under Middle. Does not agree with available evidence, nor what professional historians say about it. Quoting from a

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 May 2004, at 1:48 pm, Damon Agretto wrote: Dark Ages, a period of stagnation and obscurity in literature and art, lasting, according to Hallam, nearly 1000 years, from about 500 to about 1500 A. D.. See Middle Ages, under Middle. Does not agree with available evidence, nor what professional

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Keith Henson
At 12:17 PM 25/05/04 +0100, William T Goodall wrote: On 24 May 2004, at 11:14 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote: snip Breaking up families, not allowing dissenters to see their family members, no access to outside influences - how loving, how Christ-like... Debbi Sounds Like A Cult To Me Maru :P All

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Damon Agretto
Additionally, I googled the name Hallam and came up with a Henry Hallam, 1777-1859. If this is the same person referred to in the dictionary definition, I think its pretty obvious that his research is very much obsolete, and doesn't take into account the research or evidence discovered of the last

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:48 PM Subject: WAS Re: Gay marriage update At 04:15 PM 5/22/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote: I could also point out that desegregation of schools didn't really

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

2004-05-25 Thread Nick Arnett
Robert Seeberger wrote: But to use sacraments as a stick to punish anyone for any reason, or to coerce others into doing their will is just plain immoral in my book. The church is called to distance itself from sin but never keep sinners at a distance, in the words of Brennan Manning.

Bring on the Violent video games

2004-05-25 Thread ChadCooper
Graphic, Violent Images Can Curb Kids' Aggression http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNewsstoryID=5182859src =rss/healthNewssection=news Nerd From Hell ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Numbers on the rebuilding of Afghanistan

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: Numbers on the rebuilding of Afghanistan Dan M., I think the whole difference here is this: The rebuilding of Iraq and the building of

RE: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Horn, John
From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll see what happens when the Massachusetts Voters approve their constitutional amendment in two years in order to tell those tyrants on the MA Supreme Court exactly what the MA Constitution says. There's been over 30 years to reverse the tyrants

Restoring Fiscal Sanity

2004-05-25 Thread Erik Reuter
http://www.ndol.org/print.cfm?contentid=252647 PPI, et al. | Speech | May 18, 2004 Remarks by Sen. Joseph Lieberman at a Forum on the Fiscal Crisis in the United States Forum: ''Restoring Fiscal Sanity -- While We Still Can'' By Sen. Joseph Lieberman Excerpt: Last month, the Medicare trustees

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-25 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 18:09:42 -0500 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread iaamoac
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: JDG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We'll see what happens when the Massachusetts Voters approve their constitutional amendment in two years in order to tell those tyrants on the MA Supreme Court exactly what the MA

Re: 'Expect less, be happier...?'

2004-05-25 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 'Expect less, be happier...?' Date: Sun, 23 May 2004 17:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL

Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: New Hate-Mongering Chick Tract is out Maybe someone here knows, but I thought the Vatican's riches had quite a bit to do with banking over the last few

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-05-25 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 18:02:58 -0500 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL

Re: Vampires (was: Neanderthal)

2004-05-25 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Vampires (was: Neanderthal) Date: Sun, 16 May 2004 15:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Travis wrote: Lets not forget the seductive Janette, and the real rebel -

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-05-25 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 10:06:43 -0700 (PDT) -Travis MOM!!! Deborah keeps disagreeing with

Re: Favorite bad Sci-Fi movies on DVD

2004-05-25 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Favorite bad Sci-Fi movies on DVD Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 23:09:01 -0500 - Original Message - From: Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: Reviews for Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ

2004-05-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 May 2004, at 5:27 pm, Travis Edmunds wrote: From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Devil is us, but then so is God. It is entirely possible that God and his Devil do indeed exist. At the least as some sort of natural metaphor. Or perhaps as tangible beings that we cannot yet

RE: Favorite bad Sci-Fi movies on DVD

2004-05-25 Thread ChadCooper
How about Spaceballs? This was a good movie. With classic gags like Canned Air, John Candy as Barf, Part man, part Man's best friend, virgin klaxon warning, The Swartz, Jammed radar (with real jam), ludicrous speed, plot twists where they use technology to view the movie before it reaches

RE: Favorite bad Sci-Fi movies on DVD

2004-05-25 Thread ChadCooper
My vote for the best on DVD Dark Star - The Spaced Out Spaceship http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0F169/104-4 660137-4308766 ?v=glance Oh, I take it back http://www.sonypictures.com/homevideo/starshiptroopers2heroofthefederation/i ndex.html Nerd from Hell

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
On Tue, 25 May 2004, Dan Minette wrote: The reality of the '60s and '70s and even into the '90s is desegregation was pushed by court order. What happened was, after roughly 10 years, courts decided that all due speed was not being used and started getting involved in the nitty gritty of

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update On Tue, 25 May 2004, Dan Minette wrote: Actually, my understanding (and this was from a special on

Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: WAS Re: Gay marriage update On Tue, 25 May 2004, Dan Minette wrote: Actually, my understanding

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 May 2004, at 11:14 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote: Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Try http://www.perefound.org/jr_cn.html or Google Bruderhof critics From [the above] site: Young women confront the issues of powerlessness and

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Gary Denton
On Tue, 25 May 2004 05:48:05 -0700 (PDT), Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dark Ages, a period of stagnation and obscurity in literature and art, lasting, according to Hallam, nearly 1000 years, from about 500 to about 1500 A. D.. See Middle Ages, under Middle. Does not

Re: 'Expect less, be happier...?'

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [GaryD:] Perhaps this subscription to the gourami fish theory of mating relates to your lowered expectations?

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Damon Agretto
YHO is not accurate. The dictionaries were used because Dark Ages is a recognized term with which you disagree. Not being a historian I am not obligated to use more than general terms. Which is why I posted a correction. Where in the Hell did I even use any dates!? When I asked for

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Damon Agretto
YHO is not accurate. The dictionaries were used because Dark Ages is a recognized term with which you disagree. Not being a historian I am not obligated to use more than general terms. Which is why I posted a correction. PS: This is NOT MY opinion, but the opinion of a large body

Re: Numbers on the rebuilding of Afghanistan

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: But, that's Iraq, let me turn to Afganistan...as I answer below. My point in Afganistan is that we decreased our efforts at rebuilding as we As we what? Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Who's running the store in Iraq?

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expected problems in Iraq, but I am still blown away to find out who's been running the Iraq economy. Its six people 23-28 who had their resumes on the Heritage Foundation's website. snip The link to the Washington

Re: Vampires (was: Neanderthal)

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
Travis Edmunds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip And I fear I can't share your enthusiasm for Ann Rice... Really? Why not? shrug I just didn't really care about what happened to the characters, and that's pretty much the 'kiss of death' for me and any

Re: Numbers on the rebuilding of Afghanistan

2004-05-25 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: Numbers on the rebuilding of Afghanistan Dan Minette wrote: But, that's Iraq, let me turn to Afganistan...as I answer below. My

Re: Vampires (was: Neanderthal)

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
Whoof! Just realized that I should have been more clear: I wrote: snip Vampires are a peculiarly seductive lot, I agree, although I think that erotic quality didn't really get developed until ~ the Victorian age(?); the 'original' Nosferatu is quite disgusting IIRC, and the stories I've

Re: Who's running the store in Iraq?

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Go to http://www.bugmenot.com/ and get something there, if you don't find another solution. Thanks - added this site to my favorites. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the

Link to text of 'the 5 step plan' for Iraq

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
For those like me who don't have cable: http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Politics/ap20040524_1784.html ~I'm excerpting a couple of sections of last night's speech and commenting. ...The return of tyranny to Iraq would be an unprecedented terrorist victory and a cause for killers to rejoice. It would

Sarin confirmed

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5060648/ WASHINGTON - Comprehensive testing has confirmed the presence of the chemical weapon sarin in the remains of a roadside bomb discovered this month in Baghdad, a defense official said Tuesday. The determination, made by a laboratory in the United States that

Re: The Goal was Victory

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
I'm mostly responding WRT I wrote, not quoted. Gary Denton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Feeling safe is in itself an interesting concept; if Americans _feel_ safer, yet are not _actually_ safer, will that be enough of a 'victory?' This ties

Re: Sarin confirmed

2004-05-25 Thread Damon Agretto
On one of the BLOGs I've been visiting lately, the writer posted some research he had done. The gist of it is that Iraq probably developed some 170 such shells, with some 150 of them used for live testing, with the balance being inert (nonreactive). see: http://www.overpressure.com/ This raises

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 08:12 AM 5/25/04, William T Goodall wrote: On 25 May 2004, at 1:48 pm, Damon Agretto wrote: Dark Ages, a period of stagnation and obscurity in literature and art, lasting, according to Hallam, nearly 1000 years, from about 500 to about 1500 A. D.. See Middle Ages, under Middle. Does not agree

Re: Bring on the Violent video games

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graphic, Violent Images Can Curb Kids' Aggression http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=healthNewsstoryID=5182859src =rss/healthNewssection=news http://makeashorterlink.com/?N2FE12568 Uh, Chad old boy, it was *actual pictures* of the _results_ of violence

Re: Bring on the Violent video games

2004-05-25 Thread Dave Land
Deborah Harrell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graphic, Violent Images Can Curb Kids' Aggression Uh, Chad old boy, it was *actual pictures* of the _results_ of violence that changed the kids' attitudes: Precisely: pictures of the results of /actual/ violence. Actually /reading/ the story, one

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 03:36 PM 5/25/04, Damon Agretto wrote: YHO is not accurate. The dictionaries were used because Dark Ages is a recognized term with which you disagree. Not being a historian I am not obligated to use more than general terms. Which is why I posted a correction. PS: This is NOT MY

More on the misinformation wars

2004-05-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
I'd heard this comment that Kerry supposedly made re: Bush and the bicycle, but this article implies that it was made up (note that this site has a 'mission' of correcting the rightist bias in the generally-acknowledged liberal media): http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200405240004 On May

Double Agents

2004-05-25 Thread William T Goodall
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1224075,00.html An urgent investigation has been launched in Washington into whether Iran played a role in manipulating the US into the Iraq war by passing on bogus intelligence through Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress, it emerged yesterday.

Re: Bring on the Violent video games

2004-05-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:22 PM 5/25/04, Dave Land wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Graphic, Violent Images Can Curb Kids' Aggression Uh, Chad old boy, it was *actual pictures* of the _results_ of violence that changed the kids' attitudes: Precisely: pictures of the results of /actual/ violence.

Uplift Fan-Fic Announcement: The Dorrvi -- Added Information

2004-05-25 Thread Steve Sloan II
I've added a new Vilyehm Teighlore fan-fic story, The Dorrvi -- Added Information: http://stories.brin-l.org/dorrvi.html To see the original Dorrvi listing it refers to, go to pages 106-109 of _Contacting Aliens_. __ Steve

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread William T Goodall
On 25 May 2004, at 9:03 pm, Deborah Harrell wrote: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All religions are cults. They may seem like harmless gobbledygook and balderdash featuring stunning idiocies like conversations with imaginary gods or fondling poisonous snakes, but behind the prattling

Re: Uplift Fan-Fic Announcement: The Dorrvi -- Added Information

2004-05-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 5/25/2004 5:37:32 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've added a new Vilyehm Teighlore fan-fic story, The Dorrvi -- Added Information: http://stories.brin-l.org/dorrvi.html To see the original Dorrvi listing it refers to, go to pages 106-109

Re: The Goal was Victory

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi I Will Read All Posts Before Posting Myself I Will Read All Posts Before Posting Myself I Will Read All Posts Before Posting Myself...Maru (yeah, sre...!) :) I try to read the rest of the posts in the thread before posting. Doesn't always happen, though.

Re: Bishop Sheridan Re: Unitarians not a religion

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool (quoting someone going by the handle of revscat) wrote: Fourth, Reconstructionists believe in the imminent return of Christ and a kingdom in his name will be established. The Left Behind series of books by Daniel LaHaye Actually, it's Tim LaHaye, and if that detail has been got

Dead horses Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: rolls eyes, amused snort Smacking one of your favorite hobby-horses again, Willie m'dear...you're going to beat it to death one of these days! Just so long as, after he beats it to death, he doesn't go through the saddlebags looking for loose change, and once he's

Re: Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread David Hobby
Damon Agretto wrote: YHO is not accurate. The dictionaries were used because Dark Ages is a recognized term with which you disagree. Not being a historian I am not obligated to use more than general terms. Which is why I posted a correction. PS: This is NOT MY opinion,

Re: Cults vs Religions, was Bullying and Battering

2004-05-25 Thread Keith Henson
At 11:09 PM 25/05/04 -0400, you wrote: Keith Henson wrote: snip The distinction between cults and religions is real and useful. Cults are outright parasites, religions are the same mental parasites that have co-evolved with their hosts long enough to become more useful than harmful. Takes