Aurora

According to http://www.spaceweather.com/ there is a great display of Northern Lights right now: "AURORA ALERT: If it's dark where you live, look for auroras now. A strong geomagnetic storm is in progress, sparking Northern Lights as far south as West Virginia, Ohio, the Carolinas, Colorado and

Scouted: Republican Ec-Collapse: China and Others looking to Dump U.S. Debt

<> Were boned. - Larry Brennan - Bush said he hit the Trifecta last time. What do you call it when four of your horses come in? Ellen - The Apocalypse? ___ http://www.mccmedia.co

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

JDG wrote: > > Again, "So far as I know, exit poll results were not released by > precincts." Heck, so far as I know, exit poll results were not released > by county. Thus, it is very difficult to correlate exit polls to actual > results. > Maybe there is one way to eliminate fraud in the USA e

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:42:53 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I have read about a recent study on the number of > > civilian deaths during > > the last year in Iraq. The methodology seems, on > > paper, capable of > > providing at least order of magnitude accuracy (i.e.

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

--- Martin Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Slate article you link to describes clustering > as a "time-honored > technique for many epidemiological studies". How > does this make it > extremely bad? There are difficulties with using > clustering but this > doesn't mean it is obviously wr

Reframing [L3]

For long term success, both Democrats and Republicans need to reframe their ways of thinking: Democrats, because otherwise they will continue to lose in the short run, and Republicans, because a `borrow and spend' government will fail in the long run. Both parties should return to their roots, bu

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

- Original Message - From: "Martin Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Iraq civilian casualties. > On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 16:42:53 -0800 (PST), Gautam Mukunda > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I h

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

- Original Message - From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 10:44 AM Subject: Re: Iraq civilian casualties. > The report suggests that _100,000_ people were killed. If US forces were > _trying_ to kill t

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's only plausible if you really, really > want > to believe that American soldiers are genocidal mass > murderers. Note - this is not fair, and not at all what I should have said. I take it back. It seems clear to me that the _authors of the stu

Re: It seems over...

From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: It seems over... Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 22:12:30 -0600 (CST) On Sun, 7 Nov 2004, Travis Edmunds wrote: > Among the many fanciful notions contained wi

Adding fuel to the fire in the Bush (Nuclear Terror)

http://www.voanews.com/english/2004-11-08-voa11.cfm 8 November 2004 The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei, has warned that the world faces a real threat from nuclear terrorism. Speaking at a conference in Sydney, Mr. ElBaradei said an extensive black market in rad

Re: Aurora

--- Ruben Krasnopolsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > According to http://www.spaceweather.com/ > there is a great display of Northern Lights right now: > > "AURORA ALERT: If it's dark where you live, look for auroras now. A > strong geomagnetic storm is in progress, sparking Northern Lights as >

Re: David Brooks on the Election

On Nov 6, 2004, at 9:02 AM, John D. Giorgis wrote: I don't agree with everything in here, but this piece is outstanding, and should be read by everyone interested in electoral politics to at least consider the ideas he presents. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/06/opinion/06brooks.html?hp If ther

Re: Any monkey can do it (was - Re: Br!n: An inital note about the teen-rmath)

On Nov 6, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Travis Edmunds wrote: A convenient opportunity to insert the following attempt at humor. Nothing more. I wrote: I'd ask your sensei to allow you to spar with some of the advanced guys. If this is not possible during class, see if you can get some of the advanced guys

Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism

From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism Date: Sun, 07 Nov 2004 20:48:48 -0500 If I taught the subject, I WOULD cover creationism. It would take twenty

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

- Original Message - From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Iraq civilian casualties. > > The most important systematic problem was the selection of the nominal > death rate. There we

Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism

- Original Message - From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism > > >From: David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To:

Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism

From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 13:06:53 -0600 - Original Message - From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Any monkey can do it (was - Re: Br!n: An inital note about theteen-rmath)

From: Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Any monkey can do it (was - Re: Br!n: An inital note about theteen-rmath) Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 10:49:20 -0800 On Nov 6, 2004, at 7:42 PM, Travis Edmun

Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism

- Original Message - From: "Travis Edmunds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: Wis. City's Schools Allowing Creationism > > >From: "Dan Minette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To:

Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?

On Nov 6, 2004, at 11:02 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: John wrote: This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are "not like us" in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity. In every previous case, we have gone

Re: Bush II

On Nov 5, 2004, at 10:33 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I ask you who's being really conservative when peaceniks insist that détente is almost always preferable while hawks scream for gore and ivory towerians pontificate about verification and eventualities

Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?

--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > First they came for the single moms > and I did not speak out > because I was not a single mom. > Then they came for "welfare cheats" > and I did not speak out > because I was not on welfare. > Then they came for the gays > and I did not speak out > becaus

Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?

On Nov 8, 2004, at 12:04 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: First they came for the single moms and I did not speak out because I was not a single mom. Then they came for "welfare cheats" and I did not speak out because I was not on welfare. Then they came for the ga

Antiwar Right

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/weekinreview/07kirk.html?oref=login&oref=login&pagewanted=print&position= or http://tinyurl.com/4p74z Requires registration; go to bugmenot.com and get a login if you need one and (like me) can't remember the list one. :) Julia Beginning of article: N

Re: Iraq civilian casualties.

One more calculation: according to the statistics for Falluja, 33 people died from violent deaths out of the one cluster sampled in Falluja in August and September. This would mean that there were more than 100,000 deaths in Falluja in those two months.and the people doing the study didn't blink.

Shifting Gears: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

To shift gears from politics, I have a question: what's the protocol for discussing books and movies on this list? I saw THE INCREDIBLES twice this weekend (it's fantastic, IMAO), and there are aspects in the movie that I'd like to discuss here, because they seem to touch on aspects of Dr. Brin's

Fusion Power

So I was reading the following article on the Beeb: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3993339.stm It made me wonder. Fusion power is often hailed as the "cleanest" source of potential energy being looked at to supply future energy needs. Everyone knows it works by fusing hydrogen into hel

Re: Fusion Power

- Original Message - From: "Damon Agretto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 3:40 PM Subject: Fusion Power > So I was reading the following article on the Beeb: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3993339.stm > >

Re: Shifting Gears: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

On Mon, 8 Nov 2004 05:19:44 -0800 (PST), Chad Underkoffler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To shift gears from politics, I have a question: what's the > protocol for discussing books and movies on this list? Politics only! There will be absolutely no discussion of books and movies on this list! Esp

Re: Shifting Gears: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

To shift gears from politics, I have a question: what's the protocol for discussing books and movies on this list? If its something recent, and you're going to talk specifics, definitely put SPOILERS somewhere in the subject line, and also provide some "white space" at the beginning of the mess

Re: No Spoilers: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

- Original Message - From: "Chad Underkoffler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: Shifting Gears: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES? > > I saw THE INCREDIBLES twice this weekend (it's fantastic, IMAO), > and there are aspects in the m

Re:Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

Bryon Daly wrote: >Just post your thoughts on the movie, I'd like to hear them because >I'm really looking forward to seeing The Incredibles with my wife >at some point when we can get a baby sitter. It was friggin' great. Pixar does it again. Much like most of their films, it has themes tha

Re: No Spoilers: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

Robert Seeberger wrote: >The "Message" in The Incredibles is a bit more subtle. The dream >of having the power to change the world for the better is there, >but a sense of helplessness to actually make lasting changes is >also present, and this is the struggle portrayed in the film. *nods* Th

Re: No Spoilers: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

You might want to look for the son of a good friends of ours, who's also a nice guy on his own: Travis Hathaway in the credits. He is in the first group of animators. He was the youngest computer animator hired by Pixar. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia

Brin: on Modern Marvels

Modern Marvels:Surveillance Tech is airing on History Channel this Wednesday night,November 10th. Please check your local TV listings for air times. I expect I'll be on it. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Shifting Gears: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

Bryon Daly wrote: > Just kidding! Just post your thoughts on the movie, I'd like to hear > them because I'm really looking forward to seeing The Incredibles with > my wife at some point when we can get a baby sitter. (Yeah, we're > going to leave the kids home to go see it). So are we. :) Get

Re: Shifting Gears: Talking about THE INCREDIBLES?

--- Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bryon Daly wrote: > > > Just kidding! Just post your thoughts on the movie, I'd like to hear > > them because I'm really looking forward to seeing The Incredibles with > > my wife at some point when we can get a baby sitter. (Yeah, we're > > goin

The Burden of Bad Ideas

So, apropos of our recent discussion, John Perry Barlow, a very smart guy, just cited the "100,000 dead Iraqi" casualty figure as if it were true. Apparently no one has shown him the falsification yet. It's amazing how easy it is for reasonable people to buy such things. Imagine what it will be

Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?

At 11:02 PM 11/6/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote: >John wrote: > >> This is, of course, my point. Throughout human history one group of >> humans has sought to define a nother group of humans that are "not like >> us" in some way, as not having the full rights of humanity.In every >> previou

Re: The Burden of Bad Ideas

At 07:50 PM 11/8/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: >So, apropos of our recent discussion, John Perry >Barlow, a very smart guy, just cited the "100,000 dead >Iraqi" casualty figure as if it were true. Apparently >no one has shown him the falsification yet. It's >amazing how easy it is for reasonab

Re: The Burden of Bad Ideas

--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 07:50 PM 11/8/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: > >So, apropos of our recent discussion, John Perry > >Barlow, a very smart guy, just cited the "100,000 > dead > >Iraqi" casualty figure as if it were true. > Apparently > >no one has shown him the falsificati

Grandbaby!

After an enjoyable late evening Friday with David Brin, David Land and a few others who aren't on the list, I got up Saturday morning and headed to Modesto, where my wife already was, to help get things ready for her baby (our fourth grand-child), who was due around Thanksgiving. We headed ho

Re: Week 8 NFL Picks

On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, Julia Thompson wrote: > > On Sat, 6 Nov 2004, John D. Giorgis wrote: > > > Finally did a little better last week, going 10-5, 62-54 for the year. > > Thanks to the NY Giants taking the Minnesota Vikings to the house for the > > second straight year, the Upset Special is a ve

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

John wrote: What is more likely, that Kerry really won PA by 7% and that a State with a Democratic governor fixed the vote for Bush, or that the pre-election polls showing PA to be very close were right and the exit polls were simply systematically wrong in some way? Why are the exit polls all o

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why are the exit polls all off in the same direction > - in favor of Kerry? > > -- > Doug We're looking at that issue right now, actually. Two complementary initial guesses, but they're both just that. Exit polls tend to be taken in higher-popul

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

- Original Message - From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: `Urban legend' or fraud? > John wrote: > > > What is more likely, that Kerry really won PA by 7% and that a State > > with

Re: `Urban legend' or fraud?

Gautam wrote: We're looking at that issue right now, actually. Two complementary initial guesses, but they're both just that. Exit polls tend to be taken in higher-population districts. Well how stupid is that? Why in the hell would they bias their polls in such a way as to make them useless?

Re: Abortion Re: The Magic Ingredient?

John wrote: Therfore, I do feel quite comfortable in saying that the comparison doesn't hold.After all, nobody here says "I'm personally opposed to killing gays, but I don't want to impose my morality on other people by voting to make killing gays illegal." I see how you rationalize it John,