Weekly Chat Reminder

2004-12-08 Thread William T Goodall
As Steve said, The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat technologies, and even casts of

Call this Security?

2004-12-08 Thread d.brin
To the Brin-L list. Reminder re: my 3rd final political essay at: http://www.davidbrin.com/realculturewar1.html It's getting a lot of traffic. Now if only I could get into the heads of the old-style moderate conservatives like George Will, who are looking for a new approach.. Next

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 7, 2004, at 5:22 PM, Dave Land wrote: On Dec 7, 2004, at 3:15 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Interesting analyses of the Decalogue from many PsOV: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10co.htm Thanks, Warren. :D I think sometimes that there is a feeling among those with faith that atheists

Outsourcing ne plus ultra

2004-12-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
Big Blue is going red: IBM has sold its personal computer division to a Chinese company. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45273-2004Dec7.html Excerpt: IBM Sells PC Business to Chinese Firm in $1.75 Billion Deal By Mike Musgrove Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, December 8,

Re: Outsourcing ne plus ultra

2004-12-08 Thread William T Goodall
On 8 Dec 2004, at 7:55 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Big Blue is going red: IBM has sold its personal computer division to a Chinese company. I guess Dell is now making 'Lenovo-compatible Personal Computers' instead of 'IBM-compatible Personal Computers' ... -- William T Goodall Mail : [EMAIL

Re: Outsourcing ne plus ultra

2004-12-08 Thread Damon Agretto
Possibly in a few more years the company will be able to hire cheap technical labor from some third-world economic power to keep everything competitively profitable. Wonder if the US will be the third-world economic power in question. There's a lot of that going on...my company is

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Land
On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:42 AM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: I think sometimes that there is a feeling among those with faith that atheists are underinformed or don't know what they're turning away from, or why, etc. Also that an atheist regards religious teachings as worthless. I don't; I consider them

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 8, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Dave Land wrote: Sometimes it takes someone outside a system of thought to help those within see it clearly. One of the things I like about being a Methodist is that the denomination prides itself on open-mindedness. I'm certain that my pastor would appreciate the

Re: Outsourcing ne plus ultra

2004-12-08 Thread Damon Agretto
That might or might not be true. Doesn't do a g*ddamned thing for anyone who's lost employment, benefits and so on as a result of cheap-bastard money-grubbing CEOs. HAH! They kept me in temp status since I started there so they WOULDN'T have to give me benefits. Although the temp agency

Re: Outsourcing ne plus ultra

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Land
On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:48 PM, Damon Agretto wrote: Compassionate Conservatism doesn't look so good when you've spent more time unemployed or underemployed than otherwise... I've been dying to post the following quip for some time, but it seems especially apt in reply to this comment: A large

Re: Brin: Call this Security?

2004-12-08 Thread JDG
At 10:58 AM 12/8/2004 -0800 d.brin wrote: Now if only I could get into the heads of the old-style moderate conservatives like George Will, who are looking for a new approach.. Of course, George Will is so self-evidently looking for a new approach that he publicly endorsed George W.

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Land
On Dec 8, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: Thanks again, Warren, for getting me out of my usual ruts of thinking. I hadn't thought you were in a rut, but you're welcome. I get a little too attached to my ideas, and it's always good to have someone shake 'em up a little. (BTW did you look

Re: Brin: Call this Security?

2004-12-08 Thread Dave Land
On Dec 8, 2004, at 6:46 PM, JDG wrote: (Did I just hear right? We put in charge of the agency charged with defending the US against terrorism, a man who was a lackey for the only country and regime that ever succeeded in perpetrating a major terror attack upon our soil? Funny, I thought that

Re: The Prospect on the Future of the Democrats

2004-12-08 Thread JDG
At 06:51 AM 12/7/2004 -0800 Nick Arnett wrote: Unless of course one is only allowed to post thought-provoking articles that one agrees with on this List. As if. This seems to me to be a straw man. Straw Man?I was accused of the following: JDG may want to have both ways: he posts (I read:

Re: Brin: Call this Security?

2004-12-08 Thread JDG
At 06:59 PM 12/8/2004 -0800 Dave Land wrote: (Did I just hear right? We put in charge of the agency charged with defending the US against terrorism, a man who was a lackey for the only country and regime that ever succeeded in perpetrating a major terror attack upon our soil? Funny, I

Re: B!in: Call this Security?

2004-12-08 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Re: Brin: Call this Security? No, Dr. Brin, it was not a mistake. For some reason unbeknowst to me, I actually clicked on the

Re: B!in: Call this Security?

2004-12-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 8, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote: What's really disturbing is the fact that this is hardly reported in our own country and you have to go to foreign papers to get any news at all about the election. No, what's disturbing is that when these facts are reported, they're blown off

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 8, 2004, at 7:49 PM, Dave Land wrote: (BTW did you look over the stuff from the tencommandments.org kooks? Spooky. They're ready to crash a few airplanes themselves, it seems like.) I've heard about various let's replace the Constitution and laws of the USA with the 10 Commandments types,

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Julia Thompson
On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Dave Land wrote: Sometimes it takes someone outside a system of thought to help those within see it clearly. One of the things I like about being a Methodist is that the denomination prides itself on open-mindedness. Not open-minded enough to refrain from defrocking a

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Doug Pensinger
Dave Land wrote: Which Ten Commandments? From Positive Atheism: http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm Dave How interesting that Catholisism has deleted the graven image commandment altogether. I wonder what the history behind that is? -- Doug

Re: God Is With Us

2004-12-08 Thread Warren Ockrassa
On Dec 8, 2004, at 11:54 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote: Dave Land wrote: Which Ten Commandments? From Positive Atheism: http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm Dave How interesting that Catholisism has deleted the graven image commandment altogether. I wonder what the history behind that is?