At 07:05 PM 5/14/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And thus our current President presided over one of
>> the mildest recessions
>> ever - even after the bursting of an asset bubble no
>> less!
>
>Well, true enough, but:
>1. How much of that is he responsible f
On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 07:05:07PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> I don't think that the entitlement problem is in any sense
> catastrophic - given recent increases in productivity, it may, in
> fact, be entirely manageable.
Do you have numbers to back that up? Or is that just wishful thinking?
--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And thus our current President presided over one of
> the mildest recessions
> ever - even after the bursting of an asset bubble no
> less!
Well, true enough, but:
1. How much of that is he responsible for? Probably a
lot. Let's be fair. The President applie
At 06:08 AM 5/14/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> But to listen to Dan tell it, you would think that
>> after Bill Clinton was
>> elected in 1992 he attacked balancing the budget
>> with a single-minded focus.
>>
>> JDG
>
>Relative to our current President, h
> From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> any single actor in the American system. If President
> Clinton had not had a Republican Congress - then
> things would have been very different. If that same
> Republican Congress had not had a Democratic President
> - then things would have bee
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote:
>
> From the subject line, one might wonder just what you have been shopping
> for . . .
>
Hm. Well, to tie it in to SF, read _Barrayar_ by Lois McMaster Bujold
and then get back to me on the subject line.
Julia
Thread Drift Maru
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From the subject line, one might wonder just what you have been shopping
for . . .
Other Possible Wisecracks Withheld Out Of Respect Maru
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--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But to listen to Dan tell it, you would think that
> after Bill Clinton was
> elected in 1992 he attacked balancing the budget
> with a single-minded focus.
>
> JDG
Relative to our current President, he's right, sadly enough.
=
Gautam Mukunda
[EMAIL PROTE
At 08:23 PM 5/13/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> If President
>Clinton had not had a Republican Congress - then
>things would have been very different.
Yeah, HillaryCare was defeated by what, one vote? (In a Democratic
Congress no less.)
But to listen to Dan tell it, you would think
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 08:23:15PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> I would say that the economic policies of the Clinton Administration
> pretty closely approximate my ideal (I would cut taxes and spending
> more, but I can definitely live with what we had).
You think so? Wait 20 years and see if
On Thu, May 13, 2004 at 10:24:29PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote:
> Indeed, IMHO, Target has often provided better value than Wal-Mart.
> I've been shopping there for almost 40 years. The prices are slightly
> higher, but I feel that the better quality of the material is worth
> it. (e.g. the clothes
Gautam Mukunda quoted from someone on ABC
They include a belief that government is a mechanism
to solve the nation's problems; that more taxes on
corporations and the wealthy are good ways to cut the
deficit and raise money for social spending and don't
have a negative affect on economic growth; a
Dan Minette wrote:
> Indeed, IMHO, Target has often provided better value than Wal-Mart. I've
> been shopping there for almost 40 years. The prices are slightly higher,
> but I feel that the better quality of the material is worth it. (e.g.
> the clothes last enough longer so that the price pe
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I do consider Wal-mart and Sam's vastly superior to
> the NE department
> chains that went bankrupt trying to compete. I
> consider their investment
> in inventory control very much on target: a real
> investment in
> productivity. But, I think that yo
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> Indeed, let's praise Wal Mart. In my lifetime
The Fool wrote:
>
> --
> From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> What would a left-wing libertarian be like? What sort of positions
> would one take on various issues? I'm curious.
>
>
> ACLU. EFF.
>
> The ACLU even defends scum-sucking proto-fascists like rush limbaugh.
O
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> As for "brainwashed on cheap DVD's [sic]", well, what
> gives you the right to decide what "holistic[ally] ...
> benefits the consumer"? Are _you_ brainwashed on
> cheap DVDs? Why then do you think they are? Maybe
> they want cheap DVDs. I know I do. I wish I lived
> n
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Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> The Fool wrote:
> >
> > --
> &g
From: Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The Fool wrote:
>
> --
> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I can tell you what John Stossel once told me - that a
> sign of how far to the left TV news is is that people
> think he's a conservative - when he is, of course, a
> libertarian.
--- Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Umm, I did not mean to be irritating,
> It was the start of a larger thought about how
> the right really doesn't like the media cos they
> don't see the need for it. You mentioned the lack
> of evangelical Christians in the media. They would
> report
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The Fool wrote:
>
> --
> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I can tell you what John Stossel once told me - that a
> sign of how far to the left TV news is is that people
> think he's a conservative - when he is, of course, a
At 08:45 PM 5/12/04, Andrew Paul wrote:
> From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> No conspiracy. Just a lot people who think alike.
> Those biases affect their coverage. How many
> evangelical Christians do you think report for the New
> York Times? For CNN? Does that bias their
On Wed, 12 May 2004 23:17:20 -0500, Julia Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Fool wrote:
> > From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> What would a left-wing libertarian be like? What sort of positions
> would one take on various issues? I'm curious.
>
>Julia
I have a fri
> From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> --- Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So, the people who are trained to investigate and
> > understand things,
> > by the best universities in the country, given lots
> > of time and money to do
> > so, and undiluted access to real inf
The Fool wrote:
>
> --
> From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> I can tell you what John Stossel once told me - that a
> sign of how far to the left TV news is is that people
> think he's a conservative - when he is, of course, a
> libertarian.
>
> ---
> There you go again with the
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>
> --- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
> > someone who works for ABC News - and, for that
> > matter,
> > someone who works for The Nature Conservancy
> > (admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
> > gro
On 5/12/04 6:07 AM, "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The phrase is "waiting for the other shoe to drop" and the idea is
> that things are not finished here yet.
To me it means an inevitable event. Something that can't be stopped or
suppressed. Or see the following:
http://www.qu
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> At 12:04 AM 5/12/2004 -0400 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
> >
--- Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Well..there really wouldn't be anything wrong
> with it being the
> truth.
>
> What's wrong with overlooking ones differences with
> others if there is
> a strong attraction?
>
>
> xponent
> Just A Thought Maru
> rob
Well, sure, but as I exp
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From: "JDG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> At 12:44 PM 5/12/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
> >>
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> --- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
--- JDG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 04:54 PM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> >The Nature Conservancy
> >(admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
> >groups.
>
> The recent expose in the Washington Post
> notwithstanding?
>
> JDG
Didn't read it (as I recall, wasn't it interru
--- Andrew Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So, the people who are trained to investigate and
> understand things,
> by the best universities in the country, given lots
> of time and money to do
> so, and undiluted access to real information, and
> the people actually making
> the decisions, end u
> From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
> No conspiracy. Just a lot people who think alike.
> Those biases affect their coverage. How many
> evangelical Christians do you think report for the New
> York Times? For CNN? Does that bias their coverage?
> A very high proportion
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 08:16:12PM -0400, JDG wrote:
> I think that you utterly missed Gautam's point. At least one
> Brin-L'er has already called this "the other shoe" - i.e. that this
> was at least partially our fault. Thus, it seem clear that at least
> one goal of these murderer's is to wea
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 05:28:31PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> I have no idea what you mean. I may disagree with
And I have no idea what you mean about Tom.
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--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Uh uh. That wasn't the implied question. Do you LIKE
> them (collectively?
> I don't care who you've dated...)? It certainly
> doesn't sound like it
> to me. You said you like "American people", but I
> don't see it in your
> writing. You appear to like
At 04:54 PM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>The Nature Conservancy
>(admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
>groups.
The recent expose in the Washington Post notwithstanding?
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At 10:46 AM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
>Let me think about the rest of it but respond to this.
> I would argue that there's a very simple rule to
>predict when the press will show a picture.
One interesting test case for any rule describing when the media shows a
picture is that the rul
At 12:44 PM 5/12/2004 -0500 Dan Minette wrote:
>> Isn't it obvious? The same reason that they butchered
>> Daniel Pearl. They think that doing something like
>> that is going to scare us - shake our resolve and
>> convince us to surrender.
>>
>>Or, even more (as we've
>> seen) convince us that th
At 12:10 PM 5/12/2004 -0700 Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Will the right-wing press
>publish the images? I think that they will (and have)
>put more emphasis on the images than their left-wing
>brethren.
For the record, ABC Nightly News last night showed a very extensive clip of
the video, only endin
At 12:04 AM 5/12/2004 -0400 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
>As much as he has a right to be angry, I blame the guy with the knife and
>his masked buddies. But then again I do gloss over the big issues...
At 12:20 AM 5/12/2004 -0400 Matthew and Julie Bos wrote:
>On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, "Robert Seeberger
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From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I can tell you what John Stossel once told me - that a
sign of how far to the left TV news is is that people
think he's a conservative - when he is, of course, a
libertarian.
---
There you go again with the 2 dimensional French political axis.
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 04:54:11PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
Uh uh. That wasn't the implied question. Do you LIKE them (collectively?
I don't care who you've dated...)? It certainly doesn't sound like it
to me. You said you like "American peop
--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
> someone who works for ABC News - and, for that
> matter,
> someone who works for The Nature Conservancy
> (admittedly, by far the best of the environmental
> groups. Someone who worked for Greenpeace
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Aren't the media "American people"? Aren't liberals?
> Aren't
> environmentalists?
>
> --
> Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
Sure. And I don't hate any of them. I've dated
someone who works for ABC News - and, for that matter,
someone who wo
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Inept, but still able to coordinate the release or
> restriction of
> certain videos (Berg, 911 jumpers, etc)? I suppose
> it depends on what
> ineptitude you're calling them on.
It's not about conspiracy, it's about groupthink.
>
> We agree that most
--
From: Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
~Guatum Actually Wrote~: >>>The Fool wrote:
> The conventional wisdom on the main network news
> broadcasts is that they lose money significantly.
> That may be incorrect (I'm not a media expert) but my
> impression is that they are treated as
--
From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And as for the right exploiting the mistakes of the
> liberal media, well,
> "Nobody ever went broke understimating the taste of
> the American people."
>
> Dave
I might get to the rest later, but, as
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> News in general is a profit center (to the extent yo
The Fool wrote:
The conventional wisdom on the main network news
broadcasts is that they lose money significantly.
That may be incorrect (I'm not a media expert) but my
impression is that they are treated as loss-leaders.
The demographics of their audience are _extremely_
old, and advertisers ge
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
News in general is a profit center (to the extent you
can call "Dateline NBC" news, I guess). The main
network newscasts - which I referred to - do not.
Peter Jennings is expensive, and not many people watch
him at 6:30pm.
Nonsense. The network news operations, which are b
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 03:27:50PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> I might get to the rest later, but, as I repeatedly point out to Tom,
> that sort of contempt for the public is why, in the long run, I and
> people like me are going to win. I _like_ the American people, and I
Aren't the media "A
--- Dave Land <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And as for the right exploiting the mistakes of the
> liberal media, well,
> "Nobody ever went broke understimating the taste of
> the American people."
>
> Dave
I might get to the rest later, but, as I repeatedly
point out to Tom, that sort of contempt
--
From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> . I disagree that they're
> > _primary_, because if they were none of the
> networks
> > would have an evening news broadcast. Yet they
> do, so
> > clearly something else is going on.
>
> Why do yo
--
From: Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Let me quote from an ABC News institution, in fact -
The Note:
Like every other institution, the Washington and
political press corps operate with a good number of
biases and predilections.
They include, but are not limited to, a near-universal
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
I think I've
realized where the difference between you and me on
the media really stems from, Dan. You think that
they're good at their jobs, and I think they're inept.
Inept, but still able to coordinate the release or restriction of
certain videos (Berg, 911 jumpers, etc)
--- Nick Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That was true in the 60s, but ever since "60
> Minutes" showed that news
> can be profitable, news has become a very important
> profit center. The
> network news organizations had far more freedom when
> they were a fixed
> necessary (to meet FCC re
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The conventional wisdom on the main network news
broadcasts is that they lose money significantly.
That may be incorrect (I'm not a media expert) but my
impression is that they are treated as loss-leaders.
The demographics of their audience are _extremely_
old, and advertis
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> . I disagree that they're
> > _primary_, because if they were none of the
> networks
> > would have an evening news broadcast. Yet they
> do, so
> > clearly something else is going on.
>
> Why do you say that? The news is not in prime time,
> yet it
Gautam, grinding the "Everybody but me hates America" axe, wrote:
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The image is available on their website for anyone
who wants to see it. I
think that the media isn't showing the murder out of
respect for the
families...just like it stopped showing peop
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
. I disagree that they're
> _primary_, because i
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, let me walk through this arguement. First of
> all, I saw people jumping
> from the WTC a number of times on TV. Then, an
> announcment was made: "we
> have been requested to stop showing these photos
> because of the feelings of
> the families of
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> &
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The image is available on their website for anyone
> who wants to see it. I
> think that the media isn't showing the murder out of
> respect for the
> families...just like it stopped showing people
> jumping from the WTC.
> Dan M.
Let me think about t
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From: "Gautam Mukunda" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> Isn't it obvious? The same reason that they bu
--- Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:45:13AM -0700, Gautam
> Mukunda wrote:
>
> > The question is, though, do you believe them?
>
> A better question is, why did they do it?
>
> Erik Reuter http://www.erikreuter.net/
Isn't it obvious? The same reason that t
On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 07:45:13AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
> The question is, though, do you believe them?
A better question is, why did they do it?
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--- Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> However, didn't they allegedly (I don't speak
> Arabic, and the sound quality
> on the piece of video I have seen replayed on the
> news is so poor that I
> couldn't tell what anyone was saying, no matter what
> language they were
> saying it in)
> However, didn't they allegedly (I don't speak
> Arabic, and the sound quality
> on the piece of video I have seen replayed on the
> news is so poor that I
> couldn't tell what anyone was saying, no matter what
> language they were
> saying it in) say that they were doing this in
> retaliation
At 08:09 AM 5/12/04, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That was Robert but I would also say I knew this was
> coming, who
> didn't after seeing the photos?
>
> I am in no way justifying it, it just was going to
> happen.
>
> Gary
You've heard of Daniel Pearl, perhap
--- Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That was Robert but I would also say I knew this was
> coming, who
> didn't after seeing the photos?
>
> I am in no way justifying it, it just was going to
> happen.
>
> Gary
You've heard of Daniel Pearl, perhaps? What was his
beheading in retaliatio
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To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: Beheading Avenges Prison Abuse
> On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, "Robert Seeberger&quo
On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:20:18 -0400, Matthew and Julie Bos
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The Other Shoe Maru
>
> As much as I like tag lines, this one gets me. These people can kill a man
> on video, and you can go ahead an
On 5/11/04 8:58 PM, "Robert Seeberger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Other Shoe Maru
As much as I like tag lines, this one gets me. These people can kill a man
on video, and you can go ahead and justify it. Great. At least I can get a
taste of what I am going to read tomorrow in the New Yor
On 5/11/04 10:23 PM, "Gary Denton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Michael Berg said he blamed the U.S. government for creating
> circumstances that led to his son's death. He said if his son hadn't
> been detained for so long, he might have been able to leave the
> country before the violence worsen
On Tue, 11 May 2004 19:58:26 -0500, Robert Seeberger
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82GL8V00.html
http://pennlive.com/newsflash/pa/index.ssf?/base/news-16/108430077760820.xml
>
> The family of an American civilian shown beheaded on an Islamic
> militant W
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040511/D82GL8V00.html
A video posted Tuesday on an al-Qaida-linked Web site showed the
beheading of an American civilian in Iraq and said the execution was
carried out to avenge abuses of Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison.
In a grisly gesture, the executioners
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