PVt. PV wrote:
>>technically birth place is a common denominator of citizenship and the
>>colonial empire provided limited citizenship to white males at the time of
>>founding the nation --- the ideas of racism in us politics has a richer and
>>greater history. The first president espoused free
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> John Garcia quoted:
> >
> > Separate sections handle territories that the United States
> > has acquired over time,
> >
> Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA,
> but _almost_ in a area under
John Garcia quoted:
>
> Separate sections handle territories that the United States
> has acquired over time,
>
Ouch! Too bad, the one I am thinking was born _outside_ the USA,
but _almost_ in a area under USA occupation: just look at
the maps here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-administ
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:56 PM, John Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a
> natural-born citizen.
>
> john
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> John Garcia wrote:
>> > technically, t
afaik, that person would be just like McCain, considered to be a
natural-born citizen.
john
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Lance A. Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> John Garcia wrote:
> > technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the
> time,
> > colonies of the British
Cue Bruce Springsteenhttp://idiotgrrl.livejournal.com/
> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:48:18 -0400> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:
> brin-l@mccmedia.com> Subject: Re: USA presidential race(ism)> > On Thu, Jun
> 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]&g
John Garcia wrote:
> technically, the first seven Presidents were born in what was at the time,
> colonies of the British Empire. the first President to be born after the US
> became an independent country was Martin Van Buren.
> John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to a serving US Navy of
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:34 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA
> (Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about
> USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the
> continental USA?
>
> Mayb
Both McCain and Obama were born outside of the continental USA
(Panama and Hawaii, respectively). I don't know too much about
USA history, but was there any POTUS that was not born in the
continental USA?
Maybe the next one will be born even outsider (like Austria...)
Alberto Monteiro
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On Jun 11, 2008, at 8:24 PM, jon louis mann wrote:
> at least in this election we finally have a democratic candidate
> who will represent voters over special interests...
And as an extra bonus, one whose voice I can stand to hear on the
radio or TV for the next four years, who knows how to spe
> > > People are running for an office, but it's barely worth
> > > my time to vote at all. I'm certainly not going to
> > > do any research on the candidates. (Think Dogcatcher, or
> > > the Board of Directors of that company you have one share
> > > in, ...) In that case, I routinely vote for
jon wrote:
>
>
> > People are running for an office, but it's barely worth
> > my time to vote at all. I'm certainly not going to
> > do any research on the candidates. (Think Dogcatcher, or
> > the Board of Directors of that company you have one share
> > in, ...) In that case, I routinely v
> >> i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote
> >> for mc cain to prevent a black man from winning...
> > >jon
> >
> > Sorry if this comes as news to you, but that makes you just as much
> > of a racist bigot as they are. As the people who voted for
Hillary
> > just bec
> In the America in which I grew up: Pittsburgh, PA in the 60s and
> 70s, if you had one drop of (N-word) blood in you, you were a
> (N-word). Plain and simple. I am not even slightly surprised that
> there is plenty of that going on even today.
> Dave
back in 1962, when i was in the us navy, t
On 6/10/08, Ronn! Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 04:17 AM Tuesday 6/10/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
> >On 10 Jun 2008, at 04:10, Wayne Eddy wrote:
> > >
> > > I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
>
>
>
> AFAICT the principal reason is that he is the
> only candidate
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Kevin B. O'Brien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> > At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> John Garcia wrote:
> >>>
>
At 10:10 PM Monday 6/9/2008, Wayne Eddy asked:
>I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
>Given that his father was black and his mother is white, surely he is brown,
>or more to the point a person or an American?
>
>If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black, bro
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> John Garcia wrote:
>>>
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
order) I was
At 04:17 AM Tuesday 6/10/2008, William T Goodall wrote:
>On 10 Jun 2008, at 04:10, Wayne Eddy wrote:
> >
> > I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
AFAICT the principal reason is that he is the
only candidate since the founding of the nation
who has gotten this far in the race f
Dave Land wrote:
>
> It should be made very, very clear that I was raised in a highly racist
> culture, and find racism to be extremely abhorrent, even as -- or
> perhaps better, especially as -- I acknowledge that it lives within me.
>
My grandmother was like this. She was highly racist (becaus
Wayne Eddy wrote:
>
> I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
> Given that his father was black and his mother is white, surely he
> is brown, or more to the point a person or an American?
>
> If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black,
> brown, gray, white or
Rob wrote:
>
> In 2004 I posted about this new guy named Barack Obama, something
> about how he was an up and comer and the kind of guy I wanted to be
> President. (At least I know I've been saying all that in a lot of
> places throughout the last 4 years.) It's in the archives somewhere.
>
And
On 10 Jun 2008, at 04:10, Wayne Eddy wrote:
>
> I am curious why Obama is being categorised as black?
> Given that his father was black and his mother is white, surely he
> is brown,
> or more to the point a person or an American?
>
> If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be bla
On 10/06/2008, at 1:10 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
>
> If he had three grandparents that were white, would he be black,
> brown,
> gray, white or a person?
He'd still be black, apparently. No, I don't get it either.
All I know is he's a smart guy with a face that people outside the
states (apart f
On 10/06/2008, at 11:18 AM, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
>> i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote
>> for mc cain to prevent a black man from winning...
>
>
>
> Sorry if this comes as news to you, but that makes you just as much
> of a racist bigot as they are.
Not so. Believ
On Jun 9, 2008, at 8:10 PM, Wayne Eddy wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "jon louis mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:32 AM
> Subject: USA Presidential Race
>
>>
On Jun 9, 2008, at 5:32 PM, jon louis mann wrote:
>> Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
>> bigots, iow, the only reason anyone would not vote for Obama is
>> because he is black and they are racist?
>> . . . ronn! :)
>
> i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many
At 10:10 PM Monday 6/9/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
>- Original Message -
>From: "jon louis mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:32 AM
>Subject: USA Presidential Race
>
>
&
- Original Message -
From: "jon louis mann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 10:32 AM
Subject: USA Presidential Race
>
>
>> Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Ronn! Blankenship <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 07:00 PM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
> >On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ronn! Blankenship <
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
> > > >On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 a
Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 07:32 PM Monday 6/9/2008, jon louis mann wrote:
...
>> i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote
>> for mc cain to prevent a black man from winning...
>
>
>
> Sorry if this comes as news to you, but that makes you just as much
> of a racist
At 07:32 PM Monday 6/9/2008, jon louis mann wrote:
>
> > Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
> > bigots, iow, the only reason anyone would not vote for Obama is
> > because he is black and they are racist?
> > . . . ronn! :)
>
> i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is bla
At 07:00 PM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
>On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ronn! Blankenship <
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
> > >On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
> > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > John
- Original Message -
From: "John Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs (David Brin et al) Discussion"
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: USA Presidential Race
> On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Is the implication that voters must either vote for Obama or be
> bigots, iow, the only reason anyone would not vote for Obama is
> because he is black and they are racist?
> . . . ronn! :)
i am voting for obama BECAUSE he is black; many more will vote for mc cain to
prevent a black
Last summer, someone asked me who I thought would be the
next President and I replied
"Some rich white guy". Now that I've heard Obama, I do think that he has a
very good chance of being elected.
Just how many voters will either vote for McCain or stay home is unknown.
Not very many people are wi
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Ronn! Blankenship <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
> >On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > John Garcia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Now that it looks like it's McCain
At 09:04 AM Monday 6/9/2008, John Garcia wrote:
>On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>
> >
> > John Garcia wrote:
> > >
> > > Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
> > > order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 3:13 PM, Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> John Garcia wrote:
> >
> > Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
> > order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
> > interested in what
> > our friends from
On 7 Jun 2008, at 06:41, Ronn! Blankenship wrote:
> At 10:42 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
>>
>> I would have thought that Obama & Clinton sniping at other over the
>> past
>> months will make it harder for the Democrats to win, but I can't
>> believe
>> that the American public will
On 07/06/2008, at 2:22 AM, John Garcia wrote:
> Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
> order)
> I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
> interested in what
> our friends from outside of the USA think.
Young dynamic world-travelled sen
At 10:42 PM Friday 6/6/2008, Wayne Eddy wrote:
>Hi John,
>
>Here in Australia most people are rather bemused by how drawn out the
>nomination process is, and wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to hold all the
>primaries on a single weekend and get it over and done with.
>
>I think the majority of the
Hi John,
Here in Australia most people are rather bemused by how drawn out the
nomination process is, and wonder if it wouldn't be simpler to hold all the
primaries on a single weekend and get it over and done with.
I think the majority of the Australian public would prefer it if Obama is
the
John Garcia wrote:
>
> Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical
> order) I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
> interested in what
> our friends from outside of the USA think.
>
Here in Brazil it seems that McCain will easily win, and tha
Now that it looks like it's McCain vs. Obama (listed in alphabetical order)
I was wondering what you all think of this matchup. I'm especially
interested in what
our friends from outside of the USA think.
john
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