Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-25 Thread Rich Lafferty
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:42:34PM +1300, Nick FitzGerald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > Well, > > > > Actually message standards (or RFC 822 actually) doe snot requile that blank line, > > if message do not have body. > > > > Note that grammar is: > > > > mess

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-25 Thread Nick FitzGerald
Peter van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <> > > ... but is not the real problem here that > > SMTP servers accept non-compliant messages in the first place **and > > pass them on thus**? > > Not at all. SMTP servers are concerned with RFC821 (SMTP), not RFC822 > (message format). The only place

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-25 Thread Nick FitzGerald
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I was reminded of this again recently because a Notes user on another > > list complained that a list "control" message they sent was bounced. > > That list processer reads its commands from the Subject: line and > > it turned out that the combination of Notes client

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-24 Thread William D. Colburn (aka Schlake)
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 02:38:16PM -0600, Chris Thompson wrote: > Programs should not crash or allow security violations when presented with > unexpected input. So while the SMTP servers probably shouldn't be passing > along these messages, nor should the email clients be crashing. I like what R

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-24 Thread hurtta+z3
> I was reminded of this again recently because a Notes user on another > list complained that a list "control" message they sent was bounced. > That list processer reads its commands from the Subject: line and > it turned out that the combination of Notes client and Notes SMTP > gateway happily s

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-23 Thread Chris Thompson
At 12:06 PM 4/23/2001 +1300, you wrote: >The authors of TheBat! suggest above that this problem should not be >their concern because the message should never arrive in such a state >as it is clearly not standards-compliant. The same could be said of >the Outlook/OE date header problem which, IIR

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-23 Thread Maxim Masiutin
Hello 3APA3A! The Bat! v1.42 Beta/10 released Sat, 21 Apr 2001 fixes CR handling that you've described. It is now strict to line endings. Only . is now treated as end of message. Mon, 23 Apr 2001 12:46:23 +0400, you wrote: mfb>> This is not a bug of The Bat! but a bug of MTA (POP3/SMTP

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-23 Thread Peter van Dijk
On Mon, Apr 23, 2001 at 12:06:21PM +1300, Nick FitzGerald wrote: > The authors of TheBat! suggest above that this problem should not be > their concern because the message should never arrive in such a state > as it is clearly not standards-compliant. The same could be said of They're wrong. >

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-23 Thread 3APA3A
Hello -mat-, Saturday, April 21, 2001, 10:19:00 PM, you wrote: mfb> This is not a bug of The Bat! but a bug of MTA (POP3/SMTP servers) mfb> that allow such odd messages. The proposed "bad-message" mfb> (http://www.security.nnov.ru/files/badmess.zip) is not mfb> RFC-compliant. Any RFC-co

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-23 Thread Nick FitzGerald
> This is not a bug of The Bat! but a bug of MTA (POP3/SMTP servers) > that allow such odd messages. The proposed "bad-message" > (http://www.security.nnov.ru/files/badmess.zip) is not > RFC-compliant. Any RFC-compliant POP3/SMTP server must either > bounce or cure it. I've used a propos

Re: SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-22 Thread -mat- filid brandy
This is a forwarded message From: Bat Registrierservice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, April 21, 2001, 5:34:36 PM Subject: The Bat! - Fehlermeldung [BUG-F8FEFAE1] ===8<==Original message text=== ___

SECURITY.NNOV: The Bat! bug

2001-04-19 Thread 3APA3A
There is more fun then security impact in this issue, but it's a kind of DoS and can give a lot of headache to postmasters. =---8<-- SECURITY.NNOV URL: http://www.security.nnov.ru Topic: The Bat! bug Application:The Bat! 1.5