it has been a long time since I cleaned out the backlog of email in
the cake mailboxes.
I am hoping at least some of that did not wind up in a spam folder?
Particularly to gmail?
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I did my usual bufferbloat rap on this pretty excellent podcast. What
I am most proud of however,
was showing off my mom´s art in this segment here, including her most
powerful piece "Sad Sam".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVFWSyMp3xg=1098s
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It is amazing how many different ways people can do themselves in with
knobs. In this case there was an off-by-1000 error in calculating the
fq_codel target and interval.
https://forum.vyos.io/t/what-kind-of-performance-should-be-expected-when-applying-fq-codel-on-a-shaper-policy/13841
But I am
024 at 11:39 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
> Dave Taht writes:
>
> > On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 8:37 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
> >>
> >> Dave Taht via Cake writes:
> >>
> >> > It has been years since I looked at cake's code.
&g
On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 8:37 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote:
>
> Dave Taht via Cake writes:
>
> > It has been years since I looked at cake's code.
> >
> > Does anyone remember why we do not ack-filter a gso-split?
>
> Because a GSO packet cannot be a pur
It has been years since I looked at cake's code.
Does anyone remember why we do not ack-filter a gso-split?
https://github.com/dtaht/sch_cake/blob/master/sch_cake.c#L1901
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The cake mailing list is more appropriate for this question, but as it
has not come up much before, I figured I would attempt to answer it.
In general, FQ and AQM technologies are more resistant to simple
floods and even DDOS attacks than a FIFO. Starting with FQ first,
a single DOS (or
Fun POST and discussion here:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39101564
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Principal limitation for libreqos on a small box is has to have
multiple hardware queues and support eBPF.
Seriously folks, running libreqos at home is *serious overkill*,
although I have to admit the traffic graphs are mesmerizing!!! One of
our ISPs has been setting them to music:
On Tue, Jan 9, 2024 at 10:40 AM Nils Andreas Svee via Cake
wrote:
> Though frankly, I don’t plan on updating the sch_cake and tc binaries when
> new firmwares are released anymore, as they don’t publish the GPL archives on
> their webpage after the redesign, and they don’t respond to requests
It is so nice to see this list come to life again.
I just wanted to point out that the inbound drop rate was merely .03%
in the first email.
Elsewhere we keep hearing of 1-2% drop rates being common, and I just
aint seeing it in any of the larger scale data I have been getting
from the libreqos
https://www.commscope.com/globalassets/digizuite/956410-low-latency-home-ebook-eb-116763-en.pdf
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Donations to the core bufferbloat effort are at an all time low,
$832.00/month. [1]
I am presently also in the process of finalizing a response to a FCC
NOI for which I will conduct another funding (and signature!) drive
later this week. It is due December 1, and I hope to start circulating
a
https://github.com/cilium/cilium/issues/29083
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This fella (in mexico) just reflashed 200+ old cnpilot routers to the
latest openwrt release. Nice results! +Nagging cambium to do the same,
extra sweet.
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t/bufferbloat-on-cnpilot-19xy-platform-support-of-fq-codel-and-cake/95757
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hardware, improving reliability & performance with OpenWrt, fq_codel &
cake
To:
Cc: Ignacio
really lovely, thank you. I hope we can get flent fixed. That risc
result was awful. Does it have BQL? Are there specs on the ethernet
interface?
This risc-v beaglebone just came out today:
https://www.beagleboard.org/boards/beaglev-ahead
On Sun, Oct 15, 2023 at 8:11 AM dave seddon wrote:
>
>
After successfully having got them to switch the default over to
fq_codel last week,
I started looking over their very old skool traffic shaping policies.
Does anyone here use vyos? I used to really like it, but kind of went
pure openwrt, and now very little at all.
A huge thanks to dave seddon for buckling down and doing some comprehensive
testing of a variety of arm64 gear!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HxIU_TEBI6xG9jRHlr8rzyyxFEN43zMcJXUFlRuhiUI/edit#heading=h.bpvv3vr500nw
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Subject: [Rpm] Fwd: Firewalla App 1.56 Beta (part 1): Wi-Fi Test, CAKE and
more
To: Jeremy Austin via Rpm
CAKE is in 拾 good job, Dave!
All the best,
Frank
From:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tTYBPeaRdCO9AGTGQCpoiuLORQzN_bG3TAkEolJPh28/edit#heading=h.s3q8pyu1s825
...
The kernel has over 2500 places where it can drop packets, many of
which have been instrumented with the “Drop_reason” facility. No
qdisc has drop_reason encoded into it yet.
I continue to revise and edit this piece.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tTYBPeaRdCO9AGTGQCpoiuLORQzN_bG3TAkEolJPh28/edit
Today I came up with two other possible objectives to tackle, so
instead of re-re-re-re-rereading the above, they are:
BANG mode - there are certain cases where it it
sted, but
that they would to existing vendors more than someone new and shiny.
>
>
> (I once had a nice conversation with Jason Livingood about how Comcast
> Business is independent and should be thought of as having very different
> tech needs. He might be able to tell you who at Comcast
thank you sebastian and dave for your comments and feedback so far. I
would like to find other markets for cake, more statistics worth
collecting, and other ideas, in the hope that we could find something
fundable out of the mix.
On Fri, Jul 28, 2023 at 9:07 AM Dave Taht wrote:
>
> I don't know
I have been meaning to make this patch use UINT_MAX and submit to the
kernel for a long time. Anyone want to give it a spin?
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Date: Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 5:59 PM
Subject: been a while since I did a kernel patch
To: Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
I don't know if it is possible to multithread cake or not. But I
started writing the ideas up here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tTYBPeaRdCO9AGTGQCpoiuLORQzN_bG3TAkEolJPh28/edit?usp=sharing
Pretty fragmentary, other use cases, other features, other
mis-features, and thoughts requested.
I haven't thought about it much for many years, but in order to engage
the shaper,
a memory area could be passed down to subcake qdiscs, as a hidden
qdisc parameter, which would also keep a few other parameters in that
area. A NULL would mean it is a top level qdisc.
Did the lockless fifo project
dynamic qos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuFWh1X1-y0
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is about to land in 6.6. It's interesting.
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1=pdf=805acf7726282721504c8f00575d91ebfd750564
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I have often thought that the best way to implement a multi-core
capable cake was to bypass bql, qdisc, and ethernet driver entirely,
writing something like the carousel virtualized driver described here:
https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.1145/3098822.3098852
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there has been some fun suggestions over here:
https://github.com/lynxthecat/cake-autorate/issues/162 - I had wanted
to basically get more folk on LTE, 5G, and Starlink aware of this
script and finding a way to have it hit on more queries (SEO) for
optimizing those sorts of connections would be
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-ccwg/
is a new wg intended to poke into these issues
On Tue, Jun 27, 2023 at 4:49 PM Stephen Hemminger via Cake
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Jun 2023 12:47:01 -0700 (PDT)
> David Lang wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 26 Jun 2023, David P. Reed via Bloat wrote:
> >
>
https://www.facebook.com/groups/249134358750920?multi_permalinks=2161490917515245_section_header_type=recently_seen
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The hardware from this company looks sturdy, but that is all I know about it.
https://wiki.teltonika-networks.com/view/RUTX11
https://wiki.teltonika-networks.com/view/RUTX11_Traffic_Shaping
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I have been very impressed with equinix's infrastructure in the brief
time they have been supporting the libreqos project via their open
source program. (thank you equinix!) so if you know of anyone that
would like in on the inside...
I have been sitting on the cake related patches for this for years
now, and it is my hope to get support for NQB into the next linux
release, regardless of whether it gets through last call at this time,
unless the selected codepoint number changes. (?)
Cake (please see the man page here:
does this break cake?
https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/de811bf3-e2d8-f727-72bc-c8a754a9d...@tessares.net/T/
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From: Martin Duke
Date: Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 9:25 AM
Subject: [tsvwg] CONGRESS is about ready to go
To:
Hello transport enthusiasts,
I'm pleased to announce that all the pieces are in place to move
forward with congress, the working group focused on
I absolutely could not write a better promotional piece for our upcoming
latency conference march 6-8.
That long, endless throbbing, bass note is the soundtrack of my life! I
could call out a lot of folk doing this, notably Matt Mathis has a keynote,
and Toke is talking about ebpf, and Stuart
In looking how the code has morphed since I last looked at it, I found
myself staring at this bit...
skb_flow_dissect_flow_keys(skb, ,
FLOW_DISSECTOR_F_STOP_AT_FLOW_LABEL);
// so we have delved deeply into the packet at this point... finding
various
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2109.11693.pdf
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2023 at 7:30 PM Luis A. Cornejo
wrote:
>
> Well Reddit has many posts talking about noticeable performance increases for
> Starlink. Here is a primetime run:
>
> waveform:
> https://www.waveform.com/tools/bufferbloat?test-id=333f97c7-7cbd-406c-8d9a-9f850cb5de7d
That is
Either starlink has vastly improved, or the test is way off in this case.
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I wish they would publish stats from their line rate fq_codel or cake instance.
https://help.firewalla.com/hc/en-us/articles/10221985597331-Firewalla-Box-Release-1-975-App-Release-1-52#h_01GK00RM5YNBRYJ8K8BVE3WXX1
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Dear Luis:
You hit 17 seconds of delay on your test.
I got you beat, today, on my LTE connection, I cracked 182 seconds.
I'd like to thank Verizon for making it possible for me to spew 4000
words on my kvetches about the current speedtest regimes of speedtest,
cloudflare, and so on, by making
fire off a bandwidth test over here (we do 5 different flent tests in a row)
https://payne.taht.net/
Then pick a "plan", here, 25/3... then show tins...
https://payne.taht.net/circuit_queue?id=2
So nice to see drops and marks in real time, as well as slow start...
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Yay! 260 more countries to go!
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 7:46 AM Sebastian Moeller via Cake
wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> just had a look in a recent firmware archive for AVM's fritzbox 7530, and
> 'strings dsld' (dsld is AVM's single blob "magic binary dsl deamon" that
> encapsulates a lot of their
https://help.firewalla.com/hc/en-us/articles/10221985597331-Firewalla-Box-Release-1-975-App-Release-1-52
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all:
After a pretty long layoff from kernel development of any sort of
mine... we're pushing the limits again trying to get cake to support
10s of thousands of ISP subscribers, leveraging xdp for reads, and
ebpf "pping" for inline monitoring of TCP rtts, then a ton of htb bins
+ cake for each
mirred must die.
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Date: Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [PATCH net] net/sched: act_mirred: use the backlog for
mirred ingress
To: Cong Wang
Cc: Jamal Hadi Salim , Jiri Pirko
, Paolo Abeni , Marcelo Ricardo
Leitner , ,
hello
If anyone would like to discuss the state of cake/smart queues with vyos,
they use slack, which I'm kind of allergic to.
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Date: Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 2:18 PM
Subject: Yuriy.Sentrium has invited you to work with them in Slack
To:
Join your
anyone here use vyos? Looks like the cake port is back in progress over there.
https://phabricator.vyos.net/T725
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I didn't put us in for the hackathon, but showing up would be useful. ALL
the distributed technologies benefit from low bufferbloat, and low latency.
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Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 9:08 AM
Subject: Our Aaron Swartz Day Celebration Starts
From:
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/products/advanced-services/quality-of-experience/
"Cambium QoE platform allows you to enforce bandwidth limitations in a
flexible and economical way, with the most advanced queueing
technology in the market, which will deliver the best possible Quality
of
There were, at last count, 2600+ places where packets could be dropped
in the linux kernel, and that doesn't account for just dropping
packets at the physical layer and (I don't think) on the rx ring.
DROP_REASON support has been migrating into the kernel, but not yet
for qdiscs, and were it
There is a ton of grant money going around, and various funds are
closing at the end of this month or the next. If you know talented
people that are being laid off, or just want to practice their craft
in any way to make for a better internet, please pass these links
along. If you know of any
I loved paced chirping.
I also loved packet subwindows. I wish we could all agree to get
cracking on working on those two things for cubic and reno rather than
whinging all the time about the stuff we will never agree on.
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:32 AM Stuart Cheshire wrote:
>
> On 20 Oct 2022, at 02:36, Sebastian Moeller wrote:
>
> > Hi Stuart,
> >
> > [SM] That seems to be somewhat optimistic. We have been there before, short
> > of mandating actually-working oracle schedulers on all end-points,
> >
On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 12:04 PM Bob McMahon via Make-wifi-fast
wrote:
>
> Intel has a good analogous video on this with their CPU video here going over
> branches and failed predictions. And to Stuart's point, the longer pipelines
> make the forks worse in the amount of in-process bytes that
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 7:51 PM Sina Khanifar wrote:
>
> Positive or negative, I can claim a bit of credit for this video :). We've
> been working with LTT on a few projects and we pitched them on doing
> something around bufferbloat. We've seen more traffic to our Waveforn test
> than ever
On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:02 PM Stuart Cheshire wrote:
>
> On 9 Oct 2022, at 06:14, Dave Taht via Make-wifi-fast
> wrote:
>
> > This was so massively well done, I cried. Does anyone know how to get in
> > touch with the ifxit folk?
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UICh3ScfNWI
>
> I’m
"My favorite anecdote regarding CAKE is one time I started a B2 backup
from my NAS and removed all device-side upload restrictions (which
would normally render the internet unusable from that point on). Then
I fired up nvidia's game streaming on the Shield to try the Tomb
Raider demo. Long story
Well, we've all been yammering for many years, and the message is
getting through. Yes, at this point, changing the message to be more
directed at engineers than users would help, and to this day, I don't
know how to get to anyone in the
C suite, except through the complaints of their kids. Jim
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 9:58 AM Bob McMahon via Rpm
wrote:
>
> > Saturate a link in both directions simultaneously with multiple greedy
> > flows while measuring load-dependent latency changes for small isochronous
> > probe flows.
>
> This functionality is released in iperf 2.1.8 per the
On Tue, Oct 11, 2022 at 6:57 AM Rich Brown via Make-wifi-fast
wrote:
>
>
>
> On Oct 10, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Bob McMahon via Rpm
> wrote:
>
> > I think conflating bufferbloat with latency misses the subtle point in that
> > bufferbloat is a measurement in memory units more than a measurement in
>
I guess my question is, erik, do you sell these routers commercially?
There is a huge latent market in the US that could use upgrades.
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I saw you there.
I made a bunch of comments this morning. But they all disappeared,
possibly because I provided links to more information.
On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 12:57 PM Thomas Croghan via Cake
wrote:
>
> There seems to be quite a lot of misinformation being spread in the comments.
> It
This was so massively well done, I cried. Does anyone know how to get
in touch with the ifxit folk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UICh3ScfNWI
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Date: Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 8:02 AM
Subject: [PATCH net-next 1/5] tcp: add sysctls for TCP PLB parameters
To: David Miller
Cc: ,
I am speaking (talking about rfc7567's demand for fq+aqm on
everything), moderating a panel, and haunting a booth or two, guitar
in hand, at this WISP-oriented conference. A lot of things I(we've)
been working on this past year are coming to a head here, everything
from coping with the broadband
I have been doing a bit of (yay! paid!) work, here or there, on
libreqos, and I'm really encouraged by how well cake and the xdp stuff
are working at scale. See https://libreqos.io/ or the github:
https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS
Ideally something like this could be running at a lot of
Given the success of ack filtering, and cake in the libreqos system
(now scaling past 10Gbit) and pping and ebpf pping turning out to be
pretty high overhead... I started to muse over here about the idea of
even more detailed stats than
what we get:
https://github.com/rchac/LibreQoS/issues/58
I
https://crast.net/149182/enhanced-gaming-with-keenetic/
But with dscp precedence, oh, my!
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On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 2:39 PM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Cake
wrote:
>
> I figured y'all would find this an uplifting story - I certainly did!
>
> https://forum.openwrt.org/t/nftables-and-qos-in-2021/112013/530
I cried. thx.
> -Toke
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hmm. what did this break above it? just stats? or a mem leak? or?
On Wed, Aug 31, 2022 at 2:25 AM Toke Høiland-Jørgensen via Cake
wrote:
>
> When the GSO splitting feature of sch_cake is enabled, GSO superpackets
> will be broken up and the resulting segments enqueued in place of the
> original
https://gist.github.com/thestinger/cc10fdebfc0062f4c9e9adce007f2dec
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I apologize for not replying sooner, I was trying to take a vacation
and ended up ploughing
through my backlog of paper instead, and trying to take apart some
interesting data from a real
ISPs pre-wireless-n network.
On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 12:29 PM David P. Reed via Starlink
wrote:
>
>
>
> On
among other things a normalized fairness metric...
https://www.usenix.org/system/files/nsdi22-paper-gao_peixuan.pdf
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This paper details the modelling of a mixed traffic testbed designed
in accordance with RFC 7982, and attempts to study the performance of
pie/codel/RED/fq-pie/fq-codel/cake. It's very thorough, but only tests
10Mbit and 100Mbit links. Cake wins on most of the benchmarks, fq-pie
wins on others.
It's my hope that the last of the major wifi bugs plaguing openwrt
have been quashed. Please test.
https://forum.openwrt.org/t/openwrt-22-03-0-rc6-sixth-release-candidate/133673
Especially if you are using the ath10k, 9k, or mt76 chips. For some
suggested tests see:
I am giving a talk tentatively entitled "the meshy mess". This is a
pretty good technical conference consisting of a lot of core wifi
(openwrt), hackerspace, and community network people, and run on the
cheap, and one of the few routing interop events that exists. Hope to
see some of you in
at some point I'd like to compare cake vs:
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Queues_-_PCQ
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ppp makes my head hurt. so does mpls. when do we need to dissect it?
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From: Marcin Szycik
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 8:01 AM
Subject: [RFC PATCH net-next v3 1/4] flow_dissector: Add PPPoE dissectors
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On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 6:42 PM Dave Täht via Starlink
wrote:
>
> We had a ton of email bounce last week.
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 10:21:55AM -0500, Nick Hall via Starlink wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've had a Starlink (the round version 1) for around a year and was
> > thinking about
Over the past year or three the DMARC policy change to how mailing
lists were handled have been propagating across the net. I wasn't
paying attention. A lot of people have been auto-unsubscribed over the
last few months. I'm still working on improving the DMARC policy
here... and this is a test
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