Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-24 Thread MrTufty
I could just do that yeah - I will have to look into it some more :) But yes, the IonCube tools do allow for the copyright notices to be left unencrypted, as I thought. The client is more likely to sue us if they manage to break something. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-18 Thread ski.nalicio.us
Couldnt you just encrypt the App related files (objects, controllers and views etc.) which you created within the Cake framework specific to your application? At least then there is no copyright issues as it is your code. That way the client simply cant modify the application you have built for

Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MrTufty
Hi guys, I'm working as a web developer now, and I've been trying to convince the directors of the company that using some open-source libraries to build our sites would be a good move. I've almost managed to convince them that having a template engine is a good idea - with demonstrations of

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
you can sell your cake-based apps for money, but you are not allowed to encrypt/remove copyright/... from the cake files. if your company doesnt know what the benefits of a framework are, i wonder what kind of management is leading that company. I can't imagine any software company *not* using

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread sicapitan
You can use Cake, AND Smarty! What are your other options to be honest? Write it all from scratch? Use another framework? Don't forget open source means community, and the Cake community is growing rapidly, so most problems you'll encounter others have encountered. Cake is also growing

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MrTufty
Luckily, I've been using Cake myself for the past couple of months - so I'm about as much as we're likely to need for the moment :) The other options are: keep doing things the same way they've always been done here (we have a function library, but the functions it includes are pretty specific

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread jitka
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you can sell your cake-based apps for money, but you are not allowed to encrypt/remove copyright/... from the cake files. ...even from files from 'app' directory, which is quite annoying as it (besides other things) little bit complicate auto generated documentation

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MrTufty
This might unfortunately be a sticking point. We're in a position with one of our clients where we simply can't trust them not to tamper with the code we've written for them. This would be ok, but anything that goes wrong with it they blame us for even when it's their fault. So, we use IonCube

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread Chris Hartjes
On 10/17/06, MrTufty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This might unfortunately be a sticking point. We're in a position with one of our clients where we simply can't trust them not to tamper with the code we've written for them. This would be ok, but anything that goes wrong with it they blame us

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MJ Ray
MrTufty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] We're in a position with one of our clients where we simply can't trust them not to tamper with the code we've written for them. This would be ok, but anything that goes wrong with it they blame us for even when it's their fault. [...] Why not checksum

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MrTufty
Sadly, not my decision to make... although that checksum idea might not be a bad one for future reference, I'll put that forward to the directors. I don't think we'll be dumping them though, they really are our main client at the moment and their business is worth a huge amount. Plus they'd

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread Chris Hartjes
On 10/17/06, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MrTufty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] We're in a position with one of our clients where we simply can't trust them not to tamper with the code we've written for them. This would be ok, but anything that goes wrong with it they blame us for

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MrTufty
You're telling me... I've been pushing the need since I started here to finish up a couple of other projects that are nearly ready to go online... trouble is this client takes up so much of our time, with us being only a small team, that we don't really get chance to tackle anything else. I'll

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread bbuchs
IANAL, but I think that the no encryption/modification restrictions apply to an application that you're either selling or giving away. If you supply your client with an un-modified Cake Core, you've lived up to the license. Anything they do after that is for their own use. There's nothing

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread nate
I'll ask gwoo to weigh in here, since he's the IP attorney, but I'm pretty sure the only stipulations with the MIT License are with regard to the copyright notice. So if you wanted to go to the trouble, you could remove the copyright from the files, encode them, then add the copyright back at

Re: Convincing my company to use Cake

2006-10-17 Thread MrTufty
Ok. I believe the IonCube tools allow for copyright notices to be left unencoded anyway, I'd have to check the documentation to be sure but I'm sure it mentioned something along those lines. On Oct 17, 3:51 pm, nate [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll ask gwoo to weigh in here, since he's the IP