If anything, the cake devs are a lot more active on this project than
many other open source projects I've come across. I don't see any
difference between here and pretty much any app that's out there as
far as dev goes; If you want stable, use their stable app, if you want
bleeding edge, use the
On Jun 7, 1:51 am, Hanzgroove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You guys are absolutely right, they don't owe me or the community
> anything. Its been fun trying to play devil's advocate though : )
Fun for who, good luck getting help in the future.
I like the way you implied that writing 1.2 whilst
You guys are absolutely right, they don't owe me or the community
anything. Its been fun trying to play devil's advocate though : )
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 06 de Junio de 2007 07:18 p.m.
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Asunto: Re: General gripes and questions
But again, it not just me, multiply that by the thousands of other
developers who are asking the same question. I'm just saying out loud
Um... accountability? Did you hire the Cake team? Are they responsible
to you in any way?
This is their project that they've chosen to share with people. The
CakePHP developers are not accountable to anybody but themselves.
If you've made decisions that have put you in a bad scenario because o
> > Chris I'll admit that the time lines ARE based on my own personal
> > needs. That was the point of my message. But I'm not alone. Add my
> > personal needs to the needs of thousands of other programmers who use
> > the framework professionally, and it becomes justified to at least ask
> > the
As far as "get involved"
I've always gotten the feeling that if I modified the code to cake
that it would not get acepted. So I never bothered. I've seen some
people write wonderful patches and additions, only to see them get
rejected. Right now I've been doing a lot in pagination and there are
s
On Jun 6, 2007, at 3:42 PM, Hanzgroove wrote:
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> I've seen many people post the same concerns/frustrations that I have
> in this group and they're always met with the same response:
>
> "Why don't you get involved?"
>
> How can you get involved if the documentation you're looking for to
> learn
I've seen many people post the same concerns/frustrations that I have
in this group and they're always met with the same response:
"Why don't you get involved?"
How can you get involved if the documentation you're looking for to
learn the subtleties of the framework is non-existent? Do you sugge
blog: http://www.MarianoIglesias.com.ar
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Enviado el: Miércoles, 06 de Junio de 2007 05:04 p.m.
Para: Cake PHP
Asunto: Re: General gripes and questions
Add on the lack of documentation, and it mak
Definitely participate if you have issues with timelines. I just
started using cake like a week ago and have been helping develop some
of the different things within the project. I am by no means a cake
expert (more like a novice) but I think every little bit helps when
people are actually moving
On Jun 6, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Hanzgroove wrote:
> Sorry to sound like a jerk but I'm sure all the end users of the Cake
> framework can relate to the same frustration.
Hey well, the best thing to do with that frustration is make vague
criticisms and baseless demands.
Hell, its obvious we don't
On 6/6/07, Hanzgroove <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Add on the lack of documentation, and it makes me wonder if my
> donations to the Cake project
> are just allowing these guys to procrastinate more. If you're willing
> to accept my donations, you should
> be equally as ready to accept my criticis
That's generally a point made against Open Source -- except that closed
source stuff gets pushed back all the time, and is released very buggy.
In my experience, when there's a bug in Open Source, we can either fix
it or get it fixed within 48 hours -- closed source, we're lucky if our
vendors
I think that this is the downside to Open Source in general. There's
no one there to police any sort of deadline or release schedule.
For example, back in JANUARY I asked this question:
-
Flogging a dead horse a bit here. But i'd agree that the
documentation needs improvement.
mainly with examples, I'm new to cake and I'm getting lost easily, I'm
currently stuck on how to create a select box and while the api is
great for telling me what function to use, the attribute details are
On Jun 4, 2007, at 2:48 PM, Joshua Benner wrote:
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> John,
>
> Yes, I agree. It's not that I feel I'm not allowed to help -- but I'll
> admit I don't yet feel authoritative enough to produce solid
> documentation. Since I don't know CakePHP from beginning to end yet, I
> feel that a solution I m
John,
Yes, I agree. It's not that I feel I'm not allowed to help -- but I'll
admit I don't yet feel authoritative enough to produce solid
documentation. Since I don't know CakePHP from beginning to end yet, I
feel that a solution I may propose may be otherwise better accomplished
with a feature o
Sounds good to me. Expect to see Trac tickets for Manual updates from
me on a regular basis.
Thanks.
On Jun 4, 3:48 pm, "John David Anderson (_psychic_)"
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> On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:05 PM, JDS wrote:
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>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 2, 11:08 pm, Grant Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Jun 4, 2007, at 1:56 PM, Joshua Benner wrote:
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> In my recent course of learning CakePHP, I would agree with you. The
> available documentation has not been clear on the "magic" that Cake
> performs for the coder. A lot of my learning came through trial and
> error, because there is magic be
On Jun 4, 2007, at 12:05 PM, JDS wrote:
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> On Jun 2, 11:08 pm, Grant Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> * Where is it mentioned how Controllers get access to the models?
>>
>> http://manual.cakephp.org/chapter/controllers- search for $uses.
>>
>> The documentation on Model->save() is now wh
On 6/4/07, JDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> See, this one line, "Your FragglesController will automatically load
> $this->Fraggle," is the only place that I have seen in the manual that
> says how the controller gets access to the model. But it seems like
> this very imortant information should be
In my recent course of learning CakePHP, I would agree with you. The
available documentation has not been clear on the "magic" that Cake
performs for the coder. A lot of my learning came through trial and
error, because there is magic behind the scenes that is not immediately
evident from the
On Jun 2, 11:08 pm, Grant Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * Where is it mentioned how Controllers get access to the models?
>
> http://manual.cakephp.org/chapter/controllers- search for $uses.
>
> The documentation on Model->save() is now what you have in your post.
> If you just wrote that,
Hi. Thanks for your help.
I am sorry to have come across all pissy (and I know I did) but it is
quite frustrating to learn CakePHP when the documentation really is
lacking. It really is. I am not saying it sucks, just that it is
inconsistent, incomplete, and shy on examples. And the API is just n
Hi, thanks. I will look for the documentation project at the cakeforge
to join.
Greetings,
Estela Navarrete.
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Enviado el: Domingo, 03 de Junio de 2007 02:59 a.m.
Para: Cake PHP
Asunto: Re: General gripes and questions
Hi, about documentation I notice that there are som
Hi, about documentation I notice that there are some tranlations of
the CakePHP manual (I'm interested in spanish translation), but I
can't find it.
I looked for it here and in http://cakeforge.org/projects/translations/.
Where I can find it?
Thanks in advance,
Estela Navarrete
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> Biggest gripe with CakePHP: poor documentation. Please note that I am
> *not* a PHP newbie, and I do know the essentials that I need to know
> to be able to use CakePHP. But I guess I am just used to the
> excellent PHP.net documentation... In any case, I am willing to help
> clean it up if s
On 6/2/07, JDS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> excellent PHP.net documentation... In any case, I am willing to help
> clean it up if someone is willing to point me in the direction of how.
sigh!
> * What is the flash() method, where is it documented, how do I use
> it, and how am I supposed to kn
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