On Nov 3, 3:02 pm, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd love MooTools if they chose to namespace the library to a MOO or
> similar object and not change basic prototypes (even String is
> modified!). Unfortunately, it's hard to trust if you're running it
> around other scripts. I wonder how
> ... if you believe so much in OOP and codes
> must be clean even if you have to write 10 line over 1 line to other
> framework then you should go with mootools or prototype.
I don't want to start a flame war here, but that is _so_ not true.
About mootools, at least (prototype does seem a bit ve
>
> the lesser the codes the lesser the debugging time
oh, that's so not true
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It really depends on how you program your code, if your not a fan of
OOP then jQuery is for you, if you believe so much in OOP and codes
must be clean even if you have to write 10 line over 1 line to other
framework then you should go with mootools or prototype. This is just
my opition but the les
I'd love MooTools if they chose to namespace the library to a MOO or
similar object and not change basic prototypes (even String is
modified!). Unfortunately, it's hard to trust if you're running it
around other scripts. I wonder how much Moo's performance has these
dirty tricks to thank...if it d
Personally I'm a big fan of mootools. I learned it early on, and
really like how it doesn't require you to 'relearn' javascript.
Instead it gives you a good cross browser base, with some decent built-
in animation effects. Regardless of what library you end up choosing
you should learn the basic
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:56 AM, mikeg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> vote for jquery! :)
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In addition to Samuel's comment jQuery has a wonderful Google Group
where you can get a lot of the help you might need.
http://groups.google.com/group/jquery-en?hl=en
On Oct 31, 2:37 pm, "Samuel DeVore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/prot
vote for jquery! :)
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Prototype developers tried to make it like Ruby as well :P
On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:08 AM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I'm not sure what you mean by that. jQuery is written in JavaScript
> (not like MochiKit, which tries to make JavaScript look like Python).
>
> On Oct 31, 2:43 pm,
Except for using what's provided (being a light library), you can't
get very far in jQuery without learning JavaScript unless you plan to
only reuse other peoples' code.
On Nov 2, 7:38 pm, "Gabriel Gilini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I mean that there is a hell lot of people learning jQuery, not
I mean that there is a hell lot of people learning jQuery, not JavaScript
these days. Every allegedly javascript developer should, at least, read the
ECMA-262.
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On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 10:08 PM, 703designs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro
I'm not sure what you mean by that. jQuery is written in JavaScript
(not like MochiKit, which tries to make JavaScript look like Python).
On Oct 31, 2:43 pm, "Gabriel Gilini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The right answers is: learn real javascript
> Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lowe
> ps: Now I'm thinking about totally switching to haXe, but that's
> another story...
I've done some development in haXe, it's very interesting...
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 11:58 AM, grigri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>> JQuery or Scriptalicious?
>>
>> Mootools for me. But to each his own...
YUI? Slow, bloated, but pretty. Dojo done wrong.
On Nov 1, 5:55 am, frederic bollon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And what do you think about YUI ?
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The right answers is: learn real javascript
Yes, the learning curve with jQuery is way lower, but when you really know
javascript, take a look in proto ;)
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Samuel DeVore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
Here's my take for what little it's worth (note I use scripa/proto)
if you want to use the ajax helper at this point you are tied to
scripta/proto. now given that the stated plans in unofficial channels
is that the helper is either being migrated to jQuery or being driving
to a javascript _framwo
Sorry, mate, but prototype also supports all CSS3 selectors.
ps: I never use cakephp's ajax helpers, and I love writing javascript
Cheers
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:45 AM, Josey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I perfer jQuer
>
> And there is this "dom:ready" event, that AFAIK prototype has not.
>
Prototype has got a "dom: loaded" event from 1.6v :)
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:13 PM, clemos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I prefer Mootools too.
> It's very lightweight.
> The API is, IMHO, much cleaner and more conveni
I prefer Mootools too.
It's very lightweight.
The API is, IMHO, much cleaner and more convenient than
Prototype/scriptaculous'.
And there is this "dom:ready" event, that AFAIK prototype has not.
++
Clément
ps: Now I'm thinking about totally switching to haXe, but that's
another story...
On
As lots of people have said you miss out on the helpers with jQuery,
but if you don't like Prototype then its no great loss - but anyway
what I've stared doing is writing a my own bake templates (ad7six
wrote a really handy introduction
http://www.ad7six.com/MiBlog/CustomBakeTemplates)
which i ha
I think we've moved off topic since the question wasn't about helpers,
though I agree 100% with Anupom.
It seems that the majority prefer jQuery but it's just that, a
preference.
I also agree with Flipflops. You should visit the official site of
both libraries and do a bit of research and testing
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Marcelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
@Anupom: Any arguments?
Anupom schreef:
> I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
>
Find my points below,
It minimizes the code but maximizes the chance of error
It's really becomes hard to debug
We shou
I agree in most cases. JavaScript code should be unobtrusive and only
be written once, especially when already using a framework (like
jQuery). I can almost see the value in generating widgets, but really
the only thing that Cake should do is provide utility scripts and use
naming conventions (For
JQuery has more available animation plugins than Scriptaculous
+Prototype.js
Although JQuery has a "compatibility" mode, which permits it to live
in the same room with Prototacolous.
DF.
On Oct 30, 8:49 pm, Matthieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm gonna create a web app using CakePH
> I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
I would say it depends on the purpose...
Let's take an example of AJAX form validation, why not have $form-
>input() transparently supply jquery hooks to make it happen?
The developer might only be concerned with including the libra
I perfer jQuery as well.
Many Bakers like prototype due to the javascript and ajax helpers that
come with CakePHP.
These make baking with JS quite a bit easier, not to mention faster
however many Javascript experts would cringe to think that developers
are using php helpers for the behavioral port
Looks like I'm the only one who loves prototype here :)
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 10:27 AM, Marcelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> @Anupom: Any arguments?
>
> Anupom schreef:
> > I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a
@Anupom: Any arguments?
Anupom schreef:
> I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> >
> > Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX
> > Helper, I find JQuery so much easier
> JQuery or Scriptalicious?
Mootools for me. But to each his own...
On Oct 31, 10:18 am, "Dardo Sordi Bogado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and
> intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper.
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM,
I think Jquery is better, based purely in that it's so easy and
intuitive to use/extend that you will need no helper.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 7:26 AM, Anupom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp <[E
I think PHP helper for writing Javascript is a very bad idea.
On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:23 PM, martinp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX
> Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need
> a helper.
>
> On O
Despite the fact that CakePHP comes with a Scriptaculous-powered AJAX
Helper, I find JQuery so much easier to use that you don't really need
a helper.
On Oct 31, 9:30 am, Gianluca Gentile <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> jQuery .
>
> On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Hell
jQuery .
On Oct 30, 11:49 pm, Matthieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about
> chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose?
> Does it really matter? What's the differences between them?
>
> tks
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Try em both. See you which you prefer.
But I vote for jquery. The jquery website is really good with loads of
links to tutorials and working examples of everything and even better
it is quick now too.
On Oct 30, 10:49 pm, Matthieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm gonna create a web ap
JQuery is a complete Javascript library whereas Scriptaculous is a JS
animation library - which is kinda like addon to the Prototype library (
they call it a framework though! ). How can we compare them, I think you
want to chose between jQuery and Prototype+Scriptaculous?
My vote will definatel
Don't mean to hijack this threadbut
Anyone recommend some good articles for jquery and cakephp ?
Or any recommend jquery books ?
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another vote for jquery
On Oct 30, 6:49 pm, Matthieu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm gonna create a web app using CakePHP but I'm confused about
> chosing between Jquery or Scriptalious? Which one should I choose?
> Does it really matter? What's the differences between them?
>
> tks
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jQuery is lighter and better engineered. It's becoming the runaway
favorite amongst web developers right now.
On Oct 30, 8:00 pm, jjh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I use jQuery because I like the lightweight library.
> cakePHP does have Helper that works together with Prototype which c
Personally, I use jQuery because I like the lightweight library.
cakePHP does have Helper that works together with Prototype which can
make development a bit easier. I think what it comes down to is which
library you are more comfortable working with.
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