[ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp
Hi Fellows, something that may eventually become an issue for validation and reporting in PDB headers: using the Refmac grouped occupancy keyword I was able to form and refine various networks of correlated alternate conformations - it seems to works really well at least in a 1.6 and 1.2

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Robbie Joosten
select out one of the two alternate conformations. Cheers, Robbie Sent from my Windows Phone Van: Bernhard Rupp Verzonden: 23-7-2014 10:19 Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Onderwerp: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? Hi Fellows, something that may

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
nates of each other. That way, it is easier to select out one of the two alternate conformations. Cheers, Robbie Sent from my Windows Phone Van: Bernhard Rupp Verzonden: 23-7-2014 10:19 Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Onderwerp: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? Hi Fellows, somet

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp
3-7-2014 10:19 Aan: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Onderwerp: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? Hi Fellows, something that may eventually become an issue for validation and reporting in PDB headers: using the Refmac grouped occupancy keyword I was able to form and refine vari

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Tim Gruene
nhard Rupp Verzonden: 23-7-2014 10:19 Aan: > CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Onderwerp: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate > confs - validation? > > Hi Fellows, > > > > something that may eventually become an issue for validation and > reporting in PDB headers: > > > &

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp
-ac.gwdg.de] Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014 15:38 To: b...@hofkristallamt.org; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Bernhard, do you refer to the PDB who, according to Martyn, remove the altloc indicator

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Tim Gruene
mailto:t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de] Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014 > 15:38 To: b...@hofkristallamt.org; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: > [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? > > Hi Bernhard, > > do you refer to the PDB who, according to Martyn, remove the altloc >

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Frances C. Bernstein
L.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? Hi Bernhard, do you refer to the PDB who, according to Martyn, remove the altloc indicator? That's certainly a serious bug that should be fixed as quickly as possible. Within refmac the preservation is fine and as you w

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Nat Echols
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:25 AM, MARTYN SYMMONS < martainn_oshioma...@btinternet.com> wrote: > The practice at the PDB after deposition used to be to remove water > alternate position indicators - although obviously to keep their partial > occupancies. > This has not been my experience - see for

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Zbyszek Otwinowski
up definition, i.e. to which alt conf. side > chain they belong, > > would need to be preserved, too. > > > > BR > > > > > > Cheers, > Robbie > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > _ > > Van: Bernhard Rupp > Verzonden: 23-7-2014 10

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread MARTYN SYMMONS
program authors. all the best Martyn Martyn Symmons Cambridge Original message >From : f...@bernstein-plus-sons.com Date : 23/07/2014 - 16:20 (GMTDT) To : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject : Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? I agree that it would be excellent to be a

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread George Sheldrick
twoch, 23. Juli 2014 15:38 To: b...@hofkristallamt.org; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? Hi Bernhard, do you refer to the PDB who, according to Martyn, remove the altloc indicator? That's certainly a serious bug that should be fixed as qui

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-25 Thread Thomas Lütteke
Just a quick thought that might be a workaround solution within the PDB format restrictions: In NMR structures there are often multiple conformations stored in different MODEL sections - this should in principle be possible for x-ray structures as well, shouldn't it? Of course this is a waste o

Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-25 Thread Mark Wilson
As an additional comment on the issue of spatially correlated disorder, SHELX (and possibly other programs) has an elegant way of handling bump generation between disordered atoms. SHELX will only generate a bump if two atoms are in van der Waals conflict AND their occupancies sum to 1.1 or greate

[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Herman . Schreuder
: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Frances C. Bernstein Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2014 17:20 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? I agree that it would be excellent to be able to associate alternate conformations

Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread Bernhard Rupp
[mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of herman.schreu...@sanofi.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 5:37 PM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? One could check if the alternate conformations are part of a continuous alternate zone or if they

[ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-23 Thread dusan turk
gt; Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? > > I agree that it would be excellent to be able to associate alternate > conformations (beyond the individual residue) but when we defined the "PDB" > format we had an 80-column limitation per atom and so only o

Re: [ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-24 Thread Bernhard Rupp
alf Of dusan turk Sent: Donnerstag, 24. Juli 2014 05:32 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? Hello, A solution exists also for PDB records: As a consequence of a discussion with George which took place years ago, I have

Re: [ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-24 Thread Tim Gruene
st, BR > > > > > > From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf > Of dusan turk Sent: Donnerstag, 24. Juli 2014 05:32 To: > CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] > correlated alternate confs - validation? > > >

Re: [ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation?

2014-07-24 Thread Bernhard Rupp
kludges probably won't do. BR -Original Message- From: Tim Gruene [mailto:t...@shelx.uni-ac.gwdg.de] Sent: Donnerstag, 24. Juli 2014 12:10 To: b...@hofkristallamt.org; CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] correlated alternate confs - validation? -