Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-27 Thread Diana Tomchick
May I add the comment that despite the fact that it would be great if all of the samples that I worked with would be stable at room temperature for 3 weeks, if I had applied that as a criterion for crystallization screening and subsequent structure determination, then my publication record

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-26 Thread James Holton
An excellent review on improving diffraction that has not been mentioned yet is: https://doi.org/10.1107/S0907444905032130 As for how often it happens?  At my beamline we do see this fairly infrequently, but often enough that it no longer surprises me. I suppose that brings some comfort to

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-16 Thread Patrick Shaw Stewart
Hi Careina Expanding on what Tim says, try crushing your crystals to make a seed stock, and adding it to a few *random screens - *preferably screens that you have already tried with this target. Search for instructions for MMS or rMMS online. Good luck, Patrick On 14 August 2018 at 11:34,

[ccp4bb] AW: Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-15 Thread Hughes, Jon
Yes indeed! Jon -- Jon Hughes (+49/0)1757929098 Sent without the use of Apple products. Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. schrieb Dear JL, Years ago, this was a common problem when I was crystallizing myosin constructs for my doctoral work. Some of the most beautiful crystals I got showed

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.
Dear JL, Years ago, this was a common problem when I was crystallizing myosin constructs for my doctoral work. Some of the most beautiful crystals I got showed little or no diffraction. Often this occurs when there is a very large water content in the asymmetric unit and in proteins that have a

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread ferrer
Hi Did you try them at room temp, in situ (straight in the plate). We observe that time to time on our beamline, when just harvesting, not mentioning cryo protection, is enough to loose all diffraction. It-s rare but happens. Regards JL On 14/08/2018 11:58, Careina Edgooms wrote: I got

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread zaigham mahmood khan
Hey Careina I had once experience the same phenomenon. No diffraction at all. That did not make any sense to me. So i dipped the "empty" loop in the water, and flash froze the loop in liquid nitrogen. Once exposed to X-ray, there was no ice rings... Eventually, it turned out that system had a

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Rangana Warshamanage
Hi Careina, Some other things to check for: Where did you measure the crystal, on a home source or at a synchrotron? if at a synchrotron, try to put bit more flux and see whether you see any diffraction? Also check the beam and your crystal alignment. Rangana On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 12:15 PM,

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Andreas Forster
Hi Careina, if you don't have grey hair (available in the lab), you can still mount crystals at room temperature. With a MiTeGen RT kit, very little skill is required to test crystal diffraction or even collect entire data sets at room temperature.

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Tom Peat
?We have some crystals that diffract well when fresh (less than one week old) but lose almost all diffraction by the end of 2 weeks, so age can matter. One crystals are in liquid nitrogen, they should be safe from further degradation, but may suffer from ice contamination. cheers, tom Tom

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Harry Powell
Hi One other thing to try that someone with grey hair in your lab might know about - mount a "crystal" in a capillary and see if it diffracts at room temp. As long as you have a source and detector in your home lab, there's no need to go to a synchrotron and use their in situ facilities.

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Tim Gruene
Dear Careina, you could use the old crystals, that did not diffract, for microseeding to regrew nicer crystals. Once you have them, try to use them as quickly as possible. Three weeks can be a long time for crystals. Storage in liquid nitrogen should not be the problem. Best, Tim On

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Elspeth Garman
Yes, essential to test at room temperature without changing their buffer medium before getting worried! If they don’t diffract at RT, they are very very unlikely to diffract at cryotemperatures, whatever you do to them before hand! Best wishes Elspeth From: CCP4 bulletin board

Re: [ccp4bb] crystals that dont diffract :( :(

2018-08-14 Thread Nikolas
Hello Careina, Please send pics or didn't happen. Anyway, in my very short experience, ugly crystals can diffract better than beautiful ones. But have you checked first if they were protein crystals or not? Best of luck, Nikk On Tue, 14 Aug 2018, 11:59 Careina Edgooms, <