Re: Servant .953

sorry, I was looking at archived mail from 2010 and didn't realize it.. On 5/26/16 9:34 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 5/7/10 11:35 AM, Roger Holmes wrote: >> >> Could developers modify it any include it in heir commercial 64 bit Intel >> applications for instance? >> > > No > > It was made

Re: Servant .953

On 5/7/10 11:35 AM, Roger Holmes wrote: > > Could developers modify it any include it in heir commercial 64 bit Intel > applications for instance? > No It was made available by Apple for non-commercial use

Re: vintage computers in active use

> Another CHM volunteer (from the PDP-1 Restoration Project) and I > pushed for an IBM 360/30 Restoration Project, and the ability to build > replacements for failed SLT modules was part of our plan. I am still trying to figure in which universe are SLT modules so rare that one needs to fabricate

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/26/2016 06:18 PM, Mike Ross wrote: >> >> It was a few years ago now and it's third hand - but I was told that the >> US Navy still maintained a shop dedicated exclusively to repairing IBM SLT >> modules... can't

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 10:48 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Toby Thain wrote: On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too:

Re: vintage computers in active use

I begged for it anyway, and was told that because it was part of an active program (testing for some fighter jet), it was still in use. When I suggested modernizing, I was told that changing the hardware would require *re-certifying the entire workflow*. In other words, it was far more

RE: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, 26 May 2016, Jay West wrote: Interesting to note - pick basic used p-code. The basic "compiler" (written It still does, unless the code (under D3) has been "flash" compiled - which turns the BASIC code into C and then feeds THAT into cc. Note that the BASIC compiler in OpenQM (and

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 05/26/2016 06:20 PM, Toby Thain wrote: > While the existence of such projects is ... questionable to begin > with, one might think the continual under-delivery (across all > military boondoggles) might give taxpayers pause. I see a lot of "we're going to do it because we can, not because it's

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 2:39 PM, Geoffrey Oltmans wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: And, THAT is why it MUST be replaced immediately by "modern" hardware and software, to put an end to that. Windows10 can change that. Yes, and while we're at it, put it

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 3:17 PM, Holm Tiffe wrote: Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 extract: The report said that the

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 05/26/2016 06:18 PM, Mike Ross wrote: It was a few years ago now and it's third hand - but I was told that the US Navy still maintained a shop dedicated exclusively to repairing IBM SLT modules... can't vouch for the veracity of that; perhaps someone else can. http://www.corestore.org Hmm,

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 05/26/2016 05:57 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > The B2 bomber gets the mission data loaded on a Maxxoptix optical > cartridge. I recognized it as I have a Maxxoptix drive here. Not > quite as old as 7-track mag tape, but a fairly old technology. it > was probably state of the art when the were

Re: vintage computers in active use

-Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jwsmobile Sent: 26 May 2016 18:47 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts They used 7 track tapes for Nike Ajax targeting data that could not be erased due to how they were recorded. The

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On Fri, 27 May 2016, Liam Proven wrote: So I was broadly right that the 8088/8086 sit somewhere on the dividing line? That at least is good to know! Of course. That is exactly the point. How you draw the line, determines which side it will fall, and it is right in the middle, so many

Re: strangest systems I've sent email from

On 24 May 2016 at 23:10, Fred Cisin wrote: > Whether 8088 was an "8 bit" or "16 bit" processor depends heavily on how you > define those. > Or, you could phrase it, that the 8 bit processors at the time handled 64KiB > of RAM. OK, thank you all for the responses. Rarely

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 4:27 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote: > A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this > morning too: > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 > > extract: > The report said that the Department of Defence

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Ethan O'Toole > > > Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and ... source > > generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements > can > > be had for old belt

Re: Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

tor 2016-05-26 klockan 11:21 -0700 skrev Ian McLaughlin: > Last year I made a day trip from Kelowna BC to Seattle Washington to pick up > a Northstar Horizon, and I paid cash ($100 if I recall correctly). > > When I arrived back at the border, I got the third degree about the computer. > The

Re: vintage computers in active use

> From: Ethan O'Toole > Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and ... source > generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements can > be had for old belt drive floppys and computer tape drives? > I think the audio cassette deck enthusiasts do

RE: vintage computers in active use

Chuck wrote... Meh, I'll not too willingly concede that one. P-code is also a made-up machine language. But one difference I'll toss out there... p-code wasn't meant to be written in directly. Pick assembler was; so it included the full suite of ORG, EQU, MACRO, LIST, NOLIST

Re: vintage computers in active use

I did work in UNIX on a Series-1 in the telecom space. It probably still is in use. About like an AS/400. They were built like tanks and never seemed to break. Thanks, Bryan On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:53 PM, Jay West wrote: > Brent wrote... > -- > The

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 05/26/2016 12:27 PM, Jay West wrote: > Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): --- > "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was > not? --- Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. > They could not afford a machine when they

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 26/05/2016 19:03, Brent Hilpert wrote: All this reminds me of the systems I've missed out on: A few years ago, a high school acquaintance I chanced to meet and who was working in operations control at a local oil refinery told me the large multi-rack PDP-11 system for process control had

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 08:35:33PM +0100, Dave Wade wrote: > one salesman claims to have sold 1,000. And we know salesmen would never, ever, lie. mcl

Re: vintage computers in active use

> On May 26, 2016, at 3:27 PM, Jay West wrote: > > Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): > --- > "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was not? > --- > Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. MIX would

RE: vintage computers in active use

Chuck wrote... (regarding assembly, not machine language): --- "typically tied to hardware"? Can anyone cite a case where it was not? --- Absolutely. The Pick Operating System assembly language. They could not afford a machine when they began development of the OS. So they wrote the

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 4:01 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 03:31:42PM -0300, Paul Berger wrote: On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: ... http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/01/000/186.pdf Yeah the Bruce plant used to run on PDP-8s, a friend of

Re: vintage computers in active use

Fred Cisin wrote: > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: > > A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this > > morning too: > > http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 > > extract: > > The report said that the Department of Defence systems that

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 03:31:42PM -0300, Paul Berger wrote: > On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: ... > > > > http://www.iaea.org/inis/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/01/000/186.pdf > > > > > Yeah the Bruce plant used to run on PDP-8s, a friend of mine worked > there on a work

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

On 2016-05-26 1:43 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 05/26/2016 08:54 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Speaking of ribbons, in college I occasionally used a type of ribbon I've never seen on line printers since: a film ribbon. Think of the "letter quality" ribbons used on professional typewriters, or daisy

RE: vintage computers in active use

What about rubber belts for floppy drives? Spares will have perished as well... Might not be a bad idea to make a wiki page somewhere and measure the belts / source generic replacements. This way vendor/part# of modern replacements can be had for old belt drive floppys and computer tape

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 1:53 PM, Jay West wrote: Brent wrote... -- The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker support aircraft "runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 11:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > And, THAT is why it MUST be replaced immediately by "modern" hardware > and software, to put an end to that. Windows10 can change that. > > Yes, and while we're at it, put it in "the cloud" so that the we can have an

Re: Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

Have all your ducks in a row, have a plan B just in case. -- Will On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ian Finder wrote: > Sorry to clarify I am bringing this back in person > > On Thursday, May 26, 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > >> My DS570 came from

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-05-26 2:32 PM, Diane Bruce wrote: On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:19:51PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too:

Re: Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

Last year I made a day trip from Kelowna BC to Seattle Washington to pick up a Northstar Horizon, and I paid cash ($100 if I recall correctly). When I arrived back at the border, I got the third degree about the computer. The agent didn’t believe that I would make a 14 hour round trip to pick

Re: Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

You will still need the information and documentation because you are “importing” the item. A bill of sale and all of the custom forms will be required. TTFN - Guy > On May 26, 2016, at 11:17 AM, Ian Finder wrote: > > Sorry to clarify I am bringing this back in person >

Re: Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

Sorry to clarify I am bringing this back in person On Thursday, May 26, 2016, Guy Sotomayor Jr wrote: > My DS570 came from Canada. The biggest issue is to have a shipper that is > well versed in dealing with international shipping and knows how to deal > with > customs. Be

RE: vintage computers in active use

> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of jwsmobile > Sent: 26 May 2016 18:47 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: vintage computers in active use > > > > On 5/26/2016 10:22 AM, dwight

Re: Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

My DS570 came from Canada. The biggest issue is to have a shipper that is well versed in dealing with international shipping and knows how to deal with customs. Be clear on the customs/shipping documents about the country of origin and the value. You will need a bill of lading. Be warned,

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 2016-May-26, at 10:32 AM, Diane Bruce wrote: > On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:19:51PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: >> >> On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning

Re: vintage computers in active use

I took a quick look at that GAO report. It clearly is not all that accurate. In a discussion of "old" systems, it mentions a system with "reported age 52 years" but it "runs on windows server 2008 and is programmed in Java". Yeah, right. I wonder if it's ignorance speaking, or an attempt

Bringing a VAX 750 and Nova from Canada to US: What to expect?

Self explanatory- asking other computer collectors here to see if anyone has experience. Will there be any trouble bringing them across? They look weird and big, but they have no real commercial value and are just going to my personal computer collection. Anything I need? I think both were

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

On 05/26/2016 12:33 PM, Brent Hilpert wrote: On 2016-May-25, at 6:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > From: Jon Elson >> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service >> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer.

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 5/26/2016 10:22 AM, dwight wrote: It is interesting that the military may not be able to use W10. I doubt it can meet tempest requirements without major changes. Dwight There is a lot of phone home crap in windows. A friend who otherwise had not worried about such things is starting to

Re: vintage computers in active use

"According to the report, the US treasury also needed to upgrade its systems, which it said was using "assembly language code - a computer language initially used in the 1950s and typically tied to the hardware for which it was developed"." On Thu, 26 May 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Assembly is

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

On 2016-May-25, at 6:14 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/25/2016 05:31 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> > From: Jon Elson >> >> >> I interned at IBM Bermuda, and they had a 360/20 as their main service >> >> bureau machine; it had (IIRC) ... a 4301 printer. >> >> > I'm guessing, maybe,

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 06:19:51PM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: > > On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote: > > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: > >> A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio > >> this morning too: > >>

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 05/26/2016 09:48 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: > "According to the report, the US treasury also needed to upgrade its > systems, which it said was using "assembly language code - a computer > language initially used in the 1950s and typically tied to the hardware > for which it was developed"."

RE: vintage computers in active use

> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- > Van: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Namens Fred Cisin > Verzonden: donderdag 26 mei 2016 18:48 > Aan: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Onderwerp: Re: vintage computers in active use > > On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert

Re: vintage computers in active use

It is interesting that the military may not be able to use W10. I doubt it can meet tempest requirements without major changes. Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Rod Smallwood Sent: Thursday,

Re: vintage computers in active use

On 26/05/2016 17:48, Fred Cisin wrote: On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 extract: The report said that the Department of Defence systems that

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

On 05/26/2016 06:51 AM, Paul Koning wrote: > Apart from that, it's not credible for another reason. CDC Cyber > operating systems always spooled printer output to disk (unlike > OS/360 which did it in some variants but not others -- notably not > OS/360 PCP which I used since our 360/44 wasn't

RE: vintage computers in active use

Brent wrote... -- The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers and tanker support aircraft "runs on an IBM Series-1 Computer - a 1970s computing system - and uses eight-inch floppy

Re: vintage computers in active use

On Thu, 26 May 2016, Brent Hilpert wrote: A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 extract: The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

On 05/26/2016 08:54 AM, Paul Koning wrote: Speaking of ribbons, in college I occasionally used a type of ribbon I've never seen on line printers since: a film ribbon. Think of the "letter quality" ribbons used on professional typewriters, or daisy wheel printers, a thin plastic film with

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

On 05/26/2016 05:02 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: In addition to reading/writing memory locations, and basic machine control (boot, start, stop, continue, single-step, etc), some machines had additional functionality, but what it was (if any) varied widely from machine to machine. Most IBM 360's

vintage computers in active use

A friend notice this in the news, I heard it mentioned on the radio this morning too: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36385839 extract: The report said that the Department of Defence systems that co-ordinated intercontinental ballistic missiles, nuclear bombers

RE: equipment & memorabilia available

A listmember has stepped forward to take over the Mont Vernon NH haul. Best, J

Re: Question about UNIBUS terminators, M9300

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: William Degnan > > > Here is the layout starting from slot 9/11 of the expansion cabinet > > Just slot numbers by themselves aren't much use, because if there are any > non-UNIBUS backplanes (e.g.

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

> On May 25, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > On 05/25/2016 07:22 PM, Paul Berger wrote: > >> Speaking of dumps I remember an engineer friend telling me that at >> the university that he went to they had a CDC Cyber system and they >> discovered that you could

Re: Early 360 machines (Was: Front panel switches - what did they do?)

> On May 25, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Paul Berger wrote: > >> ... > Yeah I watch some of the large system guys disassemble and repair trains and > of course when you put them back together you had to make sure the slugs > where all in the right order. We had customers that would

Re: Question about UNIBUS terminators, M9300

> From: William Degnan > Here is the layout starting from slot 9/11 of the expansion cabinet Just slot numbers by themselves aren't much use, because if there are any non-UNIBUS backplanes (e.g. custom backplanes for core memory, for an RH11 - which has its own custom backplane, you

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > > > On Tue, 24 May 2016, Swift Griggs wrote: > > >> It probably still impressed the suits when they walked the data center. >> I've done data center tours with row after row of HP or Dell x86 servers >> and it's not much

Re: Question about UNIBUS terminators, M9300

> > > There are jumpers on this card. W1, W2, W. I did not find any > specific > > examples online of scenarios for the jumpers > > ... > > I think I get why one would remove the W2 jumper but if W1 is removed > > (open) instead can someone give me an example scenario for when

equipment & memorabilia available

This one is a little sketchy; location is Mont Vernon, NH. Situation is a lady's husband passed away and shes going through all his DEC stuff. She would like to sell it, but has no idea what it is all worth. I do not have a list that is really useful, so someone would need to contact her, go

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s, but it seems to be lost forever. Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

On 25/05/2016 5:06 AM, Paul Anderson wrote: I used to have a notebook of toggle in programs for the PDP8s and PDP11s, but it seems to be lost forever. Not being a software person it takes me hours to write and debug the simplest routines. Is there a site with a list of toggle in maintenance

Re: Question about UNIBUS terminators, M9300

> From: Bill Degnan > I have an M9300 bus terminator which I read is the same as a M930 with > the NPR logic (so you don't also need an NPR terminator in slot 3/4). Err, the M9300 would go in the same place as a M930, i.e. the UNIBUS in/out dual connector group, usually at the top

Re: BBC Tube... Running UNIX?

Jules Richardson writes: > For Unix "on a BBC" I think the only option was System III from Torch > running on a m68k "Atlas" co-processor. Do any of the early PC Unixes (Venix, PC/IX, etc. -- or clones like Coherent or Minix) work on the Master 512's 80186

Re: Front panel switches - what did they do?

> From: Swift Griggs > I'm curious about all these older machines with front panel buttons and > switches. What all did they do? In addition to reading/writing memory locations, and basic machine control (boot, start, stop, continue, single-step, etc), some machines had additional

Re: BBC Tube... Running UNIX?

So the Wikipedia article isn't lying, there are some passing references to UNIX on the BBC. I have a BBC but not a Tube... I am wondering what I can find for BeebEm. Thanks for the info. Very interesting. Aaron > On 05/25/2016 08:36 AM, Aaron Jackson wrote: >> I just revisited the Wikipedia