On 12/21/2022 1:22 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general.
And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII
through socket 771?
I admit Pentium and newer forums are a bit harder to find, but some
Ok for cbm and atari yes I'm familiar with most of those. I meant in general.
And specifically where would you go for server related discussions for pII
through socket 771? Every classic/vintage forum seems to adhere to a classic in
it's own right (but perhaps totally valid) definition of
On 12/21/2022 12:28 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't
do FB.
There are many web forums. Just for CBM, there's lemon 64, vcforum,
atariage (yes, CBM on atariage), denial, Everything 64, and 6502.org
handles a few
I keep hearing allusions to many forums. I think there are very few. I don't
do FB.
Incidentally is selling allowed here? I really can't recall. On Wednesday,
December 21, 2022, 01:19:35 AM EST, Jim Brain via cctalk
wrote:
On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
> Apples and
On 12/21/2022 12:03 AM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Apples and Coco's and C64's would be the common sublist
As much as I enjoy these machines, I ask that we do not create yet
another list for them. There are many fine forums for all of these
machines. The occasional PET or VIC question in here
When I was considerably younger I told my mother that I was going to a Hamfest
today. She replied "Oh how nice". Needless to say the woman enjoyed ham.
As to the "odious objection", I think it was sent to me directly. Never mind.
And Odious Objector LOL LOL a joke, cut me some slack, will ya.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 10:03 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Why?
b/c Old people are a bit like old computers? Starting to slowly break down?
Usually when I see such crankiness there is a ham call sign present :-)
Why? Create another list becauae a minority of subscribers consider their
opinions paramount? Don't read what isn't of interest to you. Somewhat of a
majority of topics don't interest me. Should I complain that some topics are
about stuff that is too old and irrelevant (and annoying, in
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003
in some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID
levels somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi
drives. Not getting this, but I
On 2022-12-20 4:36 p.m., Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion,
what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some
questions pertaining to Windows
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in
some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
getting this, but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all
Well, that's one nay for this topic. :-)
Jim
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote:
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in
some RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels
somewhat. But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not
getting this, but I don't
This beast was given to me by a neighbor. Dual socket 604. Windows 2003 in some
RAID configuration. I understand (or used to understand) RAID levels somewhat.
But iinm he tells me the OS is "split" over 6 scsi drives. Not getting this,
but I don't need all the redundancy/striping. I want it all
So long as we don't talk about what is or isn't allowed, the list traffic
is low enough not to need specific rules...
Except maybe not talking about what is vintage. :p
Warner
Ps :p is retro emoji :).
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 9:58 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> Nah. The nays would habe to
Nah. The nays would habe to outnumber the yays. You can always find 3
malcontents who hate everything. But that sucks as well because you get
involved with runoffs. And subsequently voter fraud, hangimg/dimpled/pregnant
chads, storming of the capitol server. Holey moley let's end this topic
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't suggesting XP was utterly
entirely useless. Video editing in a modern sense requires loads of
processing h.p. to be efficient. And no transcodimg is necessary.
Certainly not an expert. But I should think
This is really funny. Do you all realize how many times we've gone over
this over the past 25 years?
As Bill poignantly explained, maybe instead of trying to establish a
cut-off date, we instead think outside of the box:
If enough people object to a topic, it stops. Let's call it three
Agreed (FWIW ;-)
Admittedly there are many alternate sources out there for information (and
misinformation) about relatively 'modern' systems, but there's also a lot
of informed, reliable and, dare I say, mature folks here with much to
contribute; it'd be a shame not to take advantage of their
Traffic on the list is so low I'm not seeing the issue.I'm also not
seeing complaints about threads being off topic.Seems like solution
seeking a problem.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 8:28 PM Chris via cctalk
wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
>
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 11:11:27 PM EST, Fred Cisin via cctalk
wrote:
I was not disagreeing with you.
Ok. Wonderful. I guess we've sufficiently established that from henceforth
anything dang-old is totally on topic. Any detractors? :)
Transcoding as in vcr to mpegs? I wasn't
Hm. I've got a DECNA in my 380 and a Gotek floppy emulator so 21
floppies is not a terror (RX50's are not so reliable these days anyway).
Only big problem is that I would have to use either the RD50 or RD51
drives, would much prefer to use RD53's instead for some space...
Still, interesting.
The point is Vadem made cpu's and I was unaware of that.
The distinction between the v30/v40/80188/80186 is blurry. Non intel or nec
versions perhaps habe additional idiosyncrasies. On Tuesday, December 20,
2022, 11:04:36 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
> > Something like
I don't think I've ever even heard of Innovasic.
I guess given the degree to which it was utilzed, the 80188/80186 and their
variants would naturally have many manufacturers.
And I say this with all the warmth and cuddliness I can muster, the suggestion
that the 80188 is off topic is just
I was not disagreeing with you.
I thought that "dang obsolete" was an amusing wording; and applies to most
of my interests.
These days, doing web browsing, email, and transcoding video, I use a
bunch of XP and Win7 machines, but my heart, and nostalgia, are with older
stuff.
in the process
> > Something like the HP LX series or even the portable ZEOS DOS palmtops
would probably be on-topic. The OmniGo 100LX behind me has a Vadem equivalent
of an 80186.
> Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never
> knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but
Off topic - but interesting.
I had a very frustrating experience with an 80188 made by Innovasic.
The SBC188 BIOS would halt if the chip was used because its power on
behaviour was different to the Intel 80188.
http://www.vk1zdj.net/?p=551
That's *many* hours of my life I won't get back.
Vadem made 186 clones? They made dense glue for V40 based Ampro sbc's. Never
knew they made cpus. Not saying they didn't, but if so that's a shocker to me.
On Tuesday, December 20, 2022, 10:22:18 PM EST, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
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> I agree that we should probably use the
Windows 2003 and XP is about as obsolete now as the IBM PC was in 1995.
Probably more so. XP is popular on Vogons but I'm sure considerably less then
5% of computers actually host it.
There's also the issue of beating a dead horse. There will always and forever
(and forever...) be some
My PRO 380 runs Venix/PRO. Which is cool, but someone sent me this:
https://www.frijid.net/blog/index.php/2015/06/07/182/
Allegedly this gets BSD 2.9 on, at least, the PRO 350. I'm particularly
interested because it supports networking. Anyone tried this on their PRO? Or
better still, an actual
Has anyone here been to the Kennett Classic museum? There is what was
originally called the "post vintage" room that has stuff like NeXT, Sun,
SGI, PS/2's, Windows 3.1, 386/486 laptops, GridPad/IBM Thinkpad, Go Pad,
DEC Alphas workstations, etc. Now it's referred to as the "32-bit GUI
> I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era.
>
> I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of
> 'Classic' when the 386 came in.
>
> I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly
> are not run of the mill.
On Wed, 21 Dec 2022, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has
thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing.
I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near
equivalent based on XP? But that's
Well there doesn't seem to be a great deal of activity these days, I has
thought the suggestion about relaxing the rules might need discussing.
I know there are people still using Windows 2003 puters, or a near equivalent
based on XP? But that's entirely irrelevant, as I'm quite sure you could
I agree that we should probably use the intent of a specific era.
I believe that the world certainly dropped out of my personal definition of
'Classic' when the 386 came in.
I have an interest in things up to and including 80186, and they certainly
are not run of the mill.
Just my thoughts.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022, 6:13 PM Mike Loewen via cctalk
wrote:
>
> I'm going to play the old fogey card and suggest that we should use a
> specific year as a cutoff, rather than a floating limit. Something like
> 1986,
> or possibly a little later. As has been mentioned, there are many other
>
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion,
what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some
questions pertaining to Windows 2003
I would suggest anything that introduced a new feature that was somewhat
significant. So that fits the OQO because it was (at least one of) the
first handheld PCs that could run Windows XP.
But as someone else pointed out, there are a zillion PC forums where any
question relating to any PC or
Why have I started receiving virtually unreadable digests all
of a sudden? I have made no changes to my preferences.
bill
On Tue, 20 Dec 2022, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote:
Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past year.
Howzbout: INTERESTING, and olde enough to not be like the current stuff,
I'd like to think that OQO might qualify, but not anything Dell or
Gateway.
Not true, I observed someone beating that dead horse within the past year.
Sellam
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 4:44 PM Van Snyder via cctalk
wrote:
> > On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing
> > >
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing
> > discussion, what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for
> > imstance I
> > have some questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604.
> >
The original rule, back around ’96/97 was anything older than 10 years was
on-topic. I think the idea behind that is still valid, but these days a 10
year old system isn’t that much different from a current one. I think at
one point someone suggested it should be shifted to 20+ years.
On Tue,
I am going to ditto Zane because I basically could've written that same
exact message like an infinite monkey on an infinite typewriter.
Sellam
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 3:41 PM Zane Healy via cctalk
wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically as
On Dec 20, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote:
>
> Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion,
> what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some
> questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me
>
I'm not familiar with the VT100 - I don't know where particular
components are and which ones usually cause problems in that unit.
My suggestion was aimed at CRT monitors in general. Hopefully someone
who knows the VT100 better will reply with more specific suggestions.
If you are getting
Chris,
We used to have two lists , cctech for on-topic & cctalk which mirrored cctech
and allowed off-topic, but the level off off-topic traffic was low, so if I
understand things we now only have one and it allows both on and off-topic..
Dave
> -Original Message-
> From: Chris via
Hi Hush:
There are dangerous - potentially lethal - voltages inside a CRT display, so be
very, very careful if you don’t have lots of experience with these devices.
Touch the high voltage points by mistake and you are likely dead on the spot.
The issue probably relates to bad electrolytic
We used to shun anything newer than and including the IBM PC but
time.marches on. You're safe if you discuss systems produced before 1990.
After that put an OT in the front of your subject so as not to offend the
purists. Personally I think anything built after 1995 is too new for
cctalk, but
Might've just been a dead bug that got cooked. Check for a carcass.
Sellam
On Tue, Dec 20, 2022 at 2:06 PM hush hush via cctalk
wrote:
> Peter, thank you for the reply! i had to wait a bit for it to get dark
> enough, but i just checked and i could not see any visible arcing inside
> the
Specifically as pertaining to old/vintage/classic/retro compuing discussion,
what exactly is on topic? On top of my head as a for imstance I have some
questions pertaining to Windows 2003 and socket 603/604. Something tells me
that doesn't qualify, so it behooves me to ask.
Peter, thank you for the reply! i had to wait a bit for it to get dark
enough, but i just checked and i could not see any visible arcing inside
the chassis when the terminal is powered on. there is a slight buzzing
noise coming from the problem area but i suspect that is normal.
i did notice
I had something similar with a VT220. I didn't get around to investigating it
before the flyback transformer failed :-(
I can only suggest to run it for a short time with the cover off and the lights
out while looking for any glows / discharges around the flyback transformer,
the EHT cable, the
i have a VT100 that is working fine (powers on, navigates setup,
saves/restores settings, etc) but has an unpleasant burning/ozone odor
coming from the rear of it. i suspect something is running hot but i am not
sure what, i do not currently have an IR camera in my hands- working on
that. the
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