[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
But which of those constitutes guessing? The computer would likely have beaten me to the answer by at least a second :). It's easy enough to look up, for a computer that is. But in that instance a computer wouldn't need to guess. And for me, there were no multiple choices. It was hardly an

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as translating FORTRAN to BASIC? On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: How about FORTRAN to RPG? Certainly more of a challenge! But, a good way to quanitfy how far along they are getting on it. The range of code

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
How's about just convwrting IV to 77? On Tuesday, January 17, 2023, 01:02:16 AM EST, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 1/16/23 21:45, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as > translating FORTRAN to BASIC? How about FORTRAN

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 21:54, Chris via cctalk wrote: > No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't > actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!! > > Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I > was watching Jeopardy and within a

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!! Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I was watching Jeopardy and within a relatively

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 21:45, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > How well does it do on something "simple", and less esoteric, such as > translating FORTRAN to BASIC? How about FORTRAN to RPG? --Chuck

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
No one even bothered to try and answer my first question, which wasn't actually posed as a question but that's irrelevant!! Can these things make food guesses. It was a long time ago, 15 - 20 years, I was watching Jeopardy and within a relatively short span of time, days or weeks apart, I

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: It didn't fall for your trick question. On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: In fact, feed it the object code for a reasonably compatible architecture and ask it to perform translation to another architecture's object code.

[cctalk] Re: long lived media (Was: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
The only answer that anyone can provide is redundancy. Keep 2 or 3 copies of everything on seperate external drives. Every 3 to 5 years buy new drives and transfer the data to them. Or just run checkdisk twice a year and wait for 1 drive to start popping errors. Replace it. Wait for other to

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > It didn't fall for your trick question. > > Sellam In fact, feed it the object code for a reasonably compatible architecture and ask it to perform translation to another architecture's object code. Certainly within the range of human

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 19:42, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > > It didn't fall for your trick question. > > Sellam Right, but that isn't what I asked.   Take a segment of x86 assembly, sans any comments that performs a simple math problem using no I//O, such as computing a Fibonacci sequence, storing it in

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 7:09 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: ChatGPT can translate x86 assembly to 7080 autocoder? That would be something... On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: Me: Translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into 7080 autocoder.

[cctalk] Re: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread John Herron via cctalk
Not sure about those specifically. I think mdisc claimed 25 or 100 years but obviously can't prove it and if it's scratched from a holder it would be the same impact. Personally I always figured each little scratch on anything larger than a DVD would be a critical amount of data. This sort of

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Me: Translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into 7080 autocoder. ChatGPT: "It is not possible to simply translate the disassembly of the boot sector code for PC DOS 1.0 into 7080 autocoder as the two are different assembly languages for different processors. The boot

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 18:46, Sellam Abraham via cctalk wrote: > Chris, > > Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews > I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at > generating (usually) working code in just about any language you can think > of,

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: They write songs, create works of art. They can do a lot of stuff. The question in my mind is can these AI appliances make guesses and are they any good at it. Anyway how hard would it be for an AI to rewrite a standard MS-DOS to suit a particular

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Sean Conner via cctalk
It was thus said that the Great Sellam Abraham via cctalk once stated: > Chris, > > Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews > I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at > generating (usually) working code in just about any language

[cctalk] long lived media (Was: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays?  Archival grade, not susceptible to magnetism or EMP.  I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than DVDs and don’t scratch as easily. On Tue, 17 Jan 2023, Chris via cctalk wrote: Don't know, don't care. If we're being attacked by nuclear bombs of

[cctalk] Re: AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
Chris, Apparently, ChatGPT 3 was trained on a large codebase, and in the reviews I've watched, as well as in my own experience, it is amazingly astute at generating (usually) working code in just about any language you can think of, including assembly languages of various flavors. Could it

[cctalk] Re: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
Don't know, don't care. If we're being attacked by nuclear bombs of any stripe, I have far more humongous things to worry about then what's on my hard drives. I suppose if you were wring a book and wanted to back that up to an optical disk, go for it. On Monday, January 16, 2023,

[cctalk] AI applied to vintage interests

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
They write songs, create works of art. They can do a lot of stuff. The question in my mind is can these AI appliances make guesses and are they any good at it. Anyway how hard would it be for an AI to rewrite a standard MS-DOS to suit a particular machine? Have they reached the level of

[cctalk] Re: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread Ryan de Laplante via cctalk
What about M-DISC DVDs and BluRays? Archival grade, not susceptible to magnetism or EMP. I think BluRay discs are made of a harder material than DVDs and don’t scratch as easily. > On Jan 16, 2023, at 8:11 PM, Chris via cctalk wrote: > > Been there. Seen it. It seems paper or tyvek is the

[cctalk] Re: I need to make some space...

2023-01-16 Thread Sellam Abraham via cctalk
I KNOW WHAT I GOT! :) On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 5:40 PM wh.sudbrink--- via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > You're quite right. I'm in Maryland, near Washington, DC. As to prices, > I'm looking for best offer. Preference to local pick up. Things, like the > HP-150 docs, may become "free

[cctalk] Re: I need to make some space...

2023-01-16 Thread wh.sudbrink--- via cctalk
You're quite right. I'm in Maryland, near Washington, DC. As to prices, I'm looking for best offer. Preference to local pick up.  Things, like the HP-150 docs, may become "free to a good home for shipping". By the way, I don't need any more emails telling me how valuable the DOS 1.0 is. I get

[cctalk] Re: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread Chris via cctalk
Been there. Seen it. It seems paper or tyvek is the way to store these things. But the question is in 2023 why are you still committing data to optical media? I dumped all my cds and dvds on to magnetic storage years ago. I got burned waiting as long as I did even. Some of the old spinning cd

[cctalk] Re: Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread John Herron via cctalk
Yup. I've seen the same with many of the CD holders I bought from CompUSA. Lots of CDs/DVDs we burned and stored were unreadable after a few years despite never being removed. Some blame is the CD/DVD quality and holes in the unprotected label but definitely scratches. On Mon, Jan 16, 2023, 6:50

[cctalk] Damage to CD-R from CD Sleeve

2023-01-16 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk
This is a strange one. I have a bunch of CD sleeves like this, that I used to use. https://www.amazon.com/Mediaxpo-Double-sided-Refill-Sleeve-Holder/dp/B002ROAIC2/ref=sr_1_16?crid=2IDUIGLI7EY9I I’m trying to recover data from a Verbatim DataLifePlus CD, and when I started looking at it, I

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 12:40, Paul Koning wrote: > On the CERL PLATO system at U of Illinois, around 1977, we had 20-ish > 844-21 drives, and maybe a few 844-41 as well. Those were roughly the > same as the DEC RP04 and RP05 drives, same pack and track count. > Different sectors, though; 322 12-bit words per

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:47 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk > wrote: > > The 844 drives date from the early 70s. ... > > Can't tell you more about the mechanics of the things--I haven't seen > one of these in many many years. They were the workhorse drive for CDC > large systems for quite some

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Jan 16, 2023, at 11:54 AM, Jon Elson via cctalk > wrote: > > On 1/16/23 04:14, p.gebhardt--- via cctalk wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> Yesterday, I was wondering, if there are any multiplatter disk pack >> production tools known to exist? >> There are disk pack inspection and cleaning

[cctalk] I need to make some space...

2023-01-16 Thread William Sudbrink via cctalk
I'm not getting rid of my whole collection or anything, but things are getting a little tight in terms of physical space and I have stuff that simply doesn't keep my interest. I'd rather not do ebay so I'll offer them here first. I will put up pictures if there is interest. None of this is

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/16/23 02:14, p.gebhardt--- via cctalk wrote: > Hello list, > > Yesterday, I was wondering, if there are any multiplatter disk pack > production tools known to exist? > There are disk pack inspection and cleaning tools in the wild (also one on > eBay for a ridiculously high price) and

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 1/16/23 04:14, p.gebhardt--- via cctalk wrote: Hello list, Yesterday, I was wondering, if there are any multiplatter disk pack production tools known to exist? There are disk pack inspection and cleaning tools in the wild (also one on eBay for a ridiculously high price) and occasionally,

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread geneb via cctalk
On Mon, 16 Jan 2023, Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: I bought RK05 packs from Althea (sp?). I know they make diskettes too. Trying to locate their web site so I must be spelling it wrong :-) I think you're referring to Athana. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The

[cctalk] Re: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
I bought RK05 packs from Althea (sp?). I know they make diskettes too. Trying to locate their web site so I must be spelling it wrong :-) Bill On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 5:14 AM p.gebhardt--- via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Hello list, > > Yesterday, I was wondering, if there are any

[cctalk] Fw: Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread P Gebhardt via cctalk
>now. Older drives are close to unobtainium. I never came across a five-platter >pack for my CDC 854 drive and i have never seen packs for my MMD 844 or my CDC >BC3xx disk >drive for 200MB disk packs. Little correction: It's a CDC 844 Multiple Disk Drive, not a 841. Greetings, Pierre

[cctalk] Disk pack production tools

2023-01-16 Thread p.gebhardt--- via cctalk
Hello list, Yesterday, I was wondering, if there are any multiplatter disk pack production tools known to exist? There are disk pack inspection and cleaning tools in the wild (also one on eBay for a ridiculously high price) and occasionally, I also saw unused and originally packed disk