Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-15 Thread william degnan
you just plug them in and run the program. I have never loaded any drivers. On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Jules Richardson < jules.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/14/2015 06:12 PM, william degnan wrote: > >> I have a copy of the laplink software should anyone need it. If the cable >>

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-15 Thread Jules Richardson
On 11/14/2015 06:12 PM, william degnan wrote: I have a copy of the laplink software should anyone need it. If the cable for parallel is just a null modem I suggest a person in this hobby definitely add laplink to the bag of tricks available. You just fire it up on both ends ll.exe ... and you'

RE: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-15 Thread tony duell
> All Centronics ports have 8 bits going one way, and 4 "handshake" bits > going the other way. That's a very PC-centric statement for you, and I am not convinced it's even true on IBM PCs and compatibles! There are plenty of machines that have 7 or 8 data bits output, automatic strobe when

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread Fred Cisin
On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, william degnan wrote: I have a copy of the laplink software should anyone need it. If the cable for parallel is just a null modem I suggest a person in this hobby definitely add laplink to the bag of tricks available. You just fire it up on both ends ll.exe ... and you'll

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread william degnan
On Nov 13, 2015 9:13 AM, "Johnny Billquist" wrote: > > On 2015-11-13 12:36, william degnan wrote: >> >> I used to use a program called Laplink, which came with special serial and >> parallel option cables to transfer files from one dos machine to another. >> It was useful to "image" DOS computers

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread Michael Brutman
A parallel port based solution is widely usable and portable too. A parallel port Zip drive with the PalmZip drivers will work even on an 8088 class machine. A Xircom PE3 Ethernet adapter will give you network access at speeds over 30KB/sec when on the slowest machines without even having to open

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread Adam Sampson
Jules Richardson writes: > As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an > x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a > remote system? I used to like TwinExpress, which has both MS-DOS and Amiga versions. Maybe it'd run under DOSBox? http://amin

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/14/2015 07:52 AM, Jules Richardson wrote: On 11/13/2015 11:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: connected them with a Laplink parallel cable (I've still got a box of them). Roughly what length are the cables? And do you know if they do anything special internally regarding shielding of the data lin

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread Fred Cisin
connected them with a Laplink parallel cable (I've still got a box of them). On Sat, 14 Nov 2015, Jules Richardson wrote: Roughly what length are the cables? And do you know if they do anything special internally regarding shielding of the data lines? They, and those of other similar products,

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-14 Thread Jules Richardson
On 11/13/2015 11:56 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: connected them with a Laplink parallel cable (I've still got a box of them). Roughly what length are the cables? And do you know if they do anything special internally regarding shielding of the data lines? I think I should probably wire one up, and

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/13/2015 05:10 PM, Josh Dersch wrote: FWIW, DOS 6.xx will boot on anything 100% PC-compatible, 8088 on up, and it shouldn't have a problem reading filesystems created by earlier DOS versions. Assuming you can write a bootable floppy and get INTERLNK onto it, that would probably be the easi

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Charles Anthony
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Jules Richardson < jules.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote: > Vintage PCs are just a pain - new enough to make significant use of hard > disk technology, but old enough that getting the data off them isn't quite > as trivial as it likely would be on a much newer machin

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Josh Dersch
On Fri, Nov 13, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Jules Richardson < jules.richardso...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11/12/2015 05:52 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> On 11/12/2015 01:54 PM, Jules Richardson wrote: >> >> >>> > Alternatively, you could boot DOS from floppy with INTERLINK/INTERSVR >> installed and use another

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Jules Richardson
On 11/12/2015 05:52 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 11/12/2015 01:54 PM, Jules Richardson wrote: As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Fred Cisin
On Fri, 13 Nov 2015, Johnny Billquist wrote: (Well, by straight through I mean that they were null-model cables.)

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Johnny Billquist
On 2015-11-13 12:36, william degnan wrote: I used to use a program called Laplink, which came with special serial and parallel option cables to transfer files from one dos machine to another. It was useful to "image" DOS computers with it. Ah, thank you. I have been trying to remember that nam

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread william degnan
< On Nov 13, 2015 4:47 AM, "Christian Corti" wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Tom Moss wrote: >> >> I've never seen anything works on the sector level, but there are plenty of > > > There is DITU (Disk-Image Transfer Utility) for MS-DOS, and it's free including C source code. I use it e.g. to image

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-13 Thread Christian Corti
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Tom Moss wrote: I've never seen anything works on the sector level, but there are plenty of There is DITU (Disk-Image Transfer Utility) for MS-DOS, and it's free including C source code. I use it e.g. to image the hard disk of a DOS PC into a file (either network or paral

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Al Kossow
On 11/12/15 4:00 PM, Mouse wrote: However, I _think_ some old Sun and MicroVAX machines play in that space; I've seen Qbus hardware that talks to drives with card-edge connectors and I've seen SCSI-to-cardedge interfaces on Suns of Sun-3/260 vintage. I don't know the details of ST506, ESDI, and

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Jerome H. Fine
>Eric Christopherson wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2015, Jules Richardson wrote: As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist) I'm n

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Fred Cisin
On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Mouse wrote: However, I _think_ some old Sun and MicroVAX machines play in that space; I've seen Qbus hardware that talks to drives with card-edge connectors and I've seen SCSI-to-cardedge interfaces on Suns of Sun-3/260 vintage. I don't know the details of ST506, ESDI, and

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Eric Christopherson
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015, Jules Richardson wrote: > > > As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 > PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote > system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist) > > I'm not finding anything

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Mouse
>> Bring up a liveCD or moral equivalent and run SLIP, then do any of >> many networked-backup variants? > Hmm, was SLIP an option for DOS TCP/IP stacks? I meant for the livecd to be on the usually-running-DOS machine. But see below. Of course, if you have the ability to add hardware, you might

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Chuck Guzis
On 11/12/2015 01:54 PM, Jules Richardson wrote: As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist) I'm not finding anything via Google

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Jules Richardson
On 11/12/2015 04:05 PM, Mouse wrote: As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist) Bring up a liveCD or moral equivalent and run

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Warner Losh
On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Mouse wrote: > > As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up > > an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to > > a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options > > exist) > > Bring up a liveCD

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Mouse
> As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up > an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to > a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options > exist) Bring up a liveCD or moral equivalent and run SLIP, then do any of many netwo

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Tom Moss
This may also be of use: https://www.briggsoft.com/fmdos.htm On 12 November 2015 at 21:58, Tom Moss wrote: > I've never seen anything works on the sector level, but there are plenty > of terminal emulators that can backup entire directorties with YMODEM batch > or Kermit. > > Is there any paricu

Re: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Tom Moss
I've never seen anything works on the sector level, but there are plenty of terminal emulators that can backup entire directorties with YMODEM batch or Kermit. Is there any paricular reason you want disk imaging capability? Bootsectors on DOS can be re-written with the SYS command, so a boot flopp

RE: x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Cindy Croxton
, 2015 3:54 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: x86/DOS system backup via rs232? As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist

x86/DOS system backup via rs232?

2015-11-12 Thread Jules Richardson
As per subject line, does anyone know of any util that will back up an x86 PC running some variant of DOS (MS, Compaq etc.) via rs232 to a remote system? (Linux preferable on the remote, but other options exist) I'm not finding anything via Google, but it seems like the sort of thing that s