Re: 401k question

2004-08-10 Thread Doug White
LOL  What do you do with the 90% of your income that comes in every pay check? No BMW, but a Cadillac Seville, yes!  :-) - Original Message -   From: brobborb   So I'll have to be an old geezer before I can afford a BMW and try to get chicks?  Somethings out of order! [Todays Threads]

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
You are way out there. You work for Michael Moore? -sm --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Given his admitted problems with drinking, and the > rumoured cocaine > use, one of the things going around the rumour mill > sites is that Bush > may be suffering from dry drunk syndrome - t

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
Nice spin :) My point is you claim you don't trust Bush because of war. If Kerry has the same stance on the war, why support him? -sm --- Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > If you think Bush screwed

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Iraq": UN should have acted as soon as Saddam > > violated the terms of the end > > of the Gulf War. >  >> Yeah but they didn't did they? > No they didnt. We should have then threatened to > pull our troops out, and > stop enforcing the no-fly-zone

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
Dude, are you going senile? How many times do we have to go over this? Bush didn't lie about any of those. -sm --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I do not think that Kerry would have lied multiple > times about WMD's, > direct support of Al-Queda, trying to procure yellow > cake

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_orbat_coalition.htm --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Your source? > > Remember I said aside from Britian and Australia. > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- "Larry C. Lyons"

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
And? --- "S. Isaac Dealey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >> I'd definately be all over Kerry like a cheap > suit > >> if he screws up as > >> royally as Bush has done. > >> > >> larry > > > If you think Bush screwed up by going to war and >

Re: Freedom of speech?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the same reason that McCain has spoken out > against them and the Bush administration/campaign is > distancing themselves from them. > > They're "dishonest and dishonorable" (McCain's > words, does that count? Or is he a chardonnay > swilling lib

Re: 401k question

2004-08-10 Thread brobborb
So I'll have to be an old geezer before I can afford a BMW and try to get chicks?  Somethings out of order!   - Original Message -   From: Doug White   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:37 PM   Subject: Re: 401k question   Only the gain is taxable if you cash in at 59

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > i think it is more than just liberals, but I could > be wrong. You are. >   > i know that you are not saying that Bush is anymore > truthful than Kerry? Are > you? they are both liars for sure. Blanket statements mean less than nothing to me. Sounds

Re: 401k question

2004-08-10 Thread Doug White
Only the gain is taxable if you cash in at 59 1/2,  that is the amount of value over and above all contributions. In my case I left it there until age 65 and rolled it all into an annuity which pays a monthly income for life. That together with SS makes for a comfortable retirement income.   ---

Re: 401k question

2004-08-10 Thread brobborb
I read that whenu pull your money out when you're 59 or something, that money is taxable.  So why not just put it in a personal savings account?   - Original Message -   From: Jim Davis   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 7:03 PM   Subject: RE: 401k question   In effect

Re: Secure Tag recommendation

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
We've always just rolled our own. I used cflogin on a project for the first time and it's fine. -Kevin On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:38:37 -0400, Steve Kahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Friends, > I need to place 90% of a site behind a secure area framework, any tag recommendations would be greatly

Re: [gaming] No One Lives Forever 2

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
Yep, great game. Giants: Citizen Kabuto was a fun, lighthearted game with nice graphics too. As was MDK2. -Kevin On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:56:17 -0400, Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fantastic game!!! :-) > > This was perhaps the most fun I've had in a First Person Shooter in > ages! >

Re: Secure Tag recommendation

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Use cflogin and in your application.cfm ttest if the person is logged in, if not redirect him to a login page. Try going to https://www.beiresources.org/catalog/index.cfm for an example larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:38:37 -0400, Steve Kahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Friends, > I need to pl

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Given his admitted problems with drinking, and the rumoured cocaine use, one of the things going around the rumour mill sites is that Bush may be suffering from dry drunk syndrome - the obsessiveness, sudden turn of moods, fits of swearing and absolute certitude. Combined with the language problems

Secure Tag recommendation

2004-08-10 Thread Steve Kahn
Dear Friends, I need to place 90% of a site behind a secure area framework, any tag recommendations would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Steve [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Isaac Dealey
I guess Bush's cocaine days could explain a lot about our bushisms. :) [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Oh yea, sorry... forgot he has social amnesty. :-/ > You'd never be in a position to hire him. Remember he got > where he is > through daddy and daddy's friends. He got into Yale on a > legacy, his > first real job was a a favour to his father, etc., etc. > larry > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:15:42 -

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If you think Bush screwed up by going to war and Kerry >> said he would have also gone to war, what's the >> difference? > I don't see your argument. If your argument is that they > are no > different, then why

[gaming] No One Lives Forever 2

2004-08-10 Thread Angel Stewart
Fantastic game!!! :-) This was perhaps the most fun I've had in a First Person Shooter in ages! Great storyline! Wonderful, memorable characters with fully realised personalitiesloads of humor and over the top performances! It was great!! Ahhh...so different from what we see today! NO

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you think Bush screwed up by going to war and Kerry > said he would have also gone to war, what's the > difference? I don't see your argument. If your argument is that they are no different, then why wouldn't you

Re: Mid-east map quiz

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0400, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So I guess what they say about Americans is true then. :) Yes it is. -Kevin [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Bush's. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:15:48 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Who's cocaine days? Bush or Kerry? > > > Better yet how about what he did during his alcohol and > > cocaine days. > > > larry > > > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:53:08 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey > > <[EMAIL PR

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I do not think that Kerry would have lied multiple times about WMD's, direct support of Al-Queda, trying to procure yellow cake uranium etc. On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:33:09 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'd definately be al

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You'd never be in a position to hire him. Remember he got where he is through daddy and daddy's friends. He got into Yale on a legacy, his first real job was a a favour to his father, etc., etc. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:15:42 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The leader of

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Your source? Remember I said aside from Britian and Australia. On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:25:11 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yeah right. 30 countries, but how many troops were > > sent in. All but a > > very few of those c

RE: Freedom of speech?

2004-08-10 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Yup.  You've got it pegged.  Everything Kerry says is true (he was in Vietnam for how long?  How big was that piece of shrapnel that he had in his hand(holding, not requiring surgical removal)?)  Get real.  There are always two sides.  Except for those on either extreme.  Are you on an extreme?   -

FW: The cat came back

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
With all the recent rancor, I thought people would get a kick out of this story: THE CAT CAME BACK -  18 YEARS LATER A Manitoba woman is celebrating the return of her lost cat 18 years after the pet first disappeared. FULL STORY: http://cbc.ca/stories/2004/08/09/kittyback040809 [Todays Threads]

Re: Freedom of speech?

2004-08-10 Thread Doug White
Because they are fake, that is why.  Bought and paid for by the Republicans. - Original Message -   From: Sam Morris   Why are Lawyers for the DNC and the Kerry campaign   intimidating television stations into not running   anti-Kerry ads, produced by Swift Boat Veterans for   Truth, whi

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread John Stanley
> "Iraq": UN should have acted as soon as Saddam > violated the terms of the end > of the Gulf War. >> Yeah but they didn't did they? No they didnt. We should have then threatened to pull our troops out, and stop enforcing the no-fly-zone. Which may have caused an uproar in the Int'l communi

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> that's ridiculous. > you can't xnarflargle a fleezywyke.  The diflangelshtupt > doesn't turn that way. xipplewank! s. isaac dealey 954.927.5117 new epoch : isn't it time for a change? add features without fixtures with the onTap open source framework http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Who's cocaine days? Bush or Kerry? > Better yet how about what he did during his alcohol and > cocaine days. > larry > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:53:08 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > On other occasions, Kerry has said he was not actually >> > in Cambodia but rather "near" t

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> The leader of the free world should not have "problems > with the English language" Or if not the "leader of the free world", at least the president of any country where 80+% of the citizens speak english. I would have similar issues with this kind of thing from England's Prime Minister or to kn

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Makes it easier to condemn those decisions doesn't it? :) > Yep, I much happier that he makes bad decisions and then > sticks to them > until the end.  Yep, it's a good thing he doesn't waffle. >> -Original Message- >> From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, August 10

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> --- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd definately be all over Kerry like a cheap suit >> if he screws up as >> royally as Bush has done. >> >> larry > If you think Bush screwed up by going to war and Kerry > said he would have also gone to war, what's the > difference? http://w

RE: 401k question

2004-08-10 Thread Jim Davis
In effect you put a certain percentage of your money into a plan as an investment.  Your employer may match some or all of your investment as a benefit to you.  They do get some tax benefit for this. Like any other investment this one is managed and those managers get their fees - that's how they

RE: Anime network

2004-08-10 Thread Jim Davis
The sad thing is I've been dying for a schedule for this and never found one - I really wish that Comcast would get a good online guide to OnDemand up. Even this one just shows a bare list of the shows.  The OnDemand menu is a huge pain to navigate and is categorized - since the list on this isn't

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread John Stanley
i think it is more than just liberals, but I could be wrong. i know that you are not saying that Bush is anymore truthful than Kerry? Are you? they are both liars for sure. -Original Message- From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 1:56 PM To: CF-Commun

Re: 401k question

2004-08-10 Thread William Bowen
Not sure what the advantage from the employer's standpoint is, could be there's a tax break of some sort. My own 401k example (theory real, numbers not) ;-) I can invest up to a certain percentage of my salary in my company's 401k program, there are two limits to this, one is percentage (set by t

401k question

2004-08-10 Thread brobborb
hey guys I don't really know what a 401k is (and never bothered to look it up until now).  I've read up on it but am still kinda fuzzy about it.  Can anyone show me an example showing real numbers.  What I mainly don't understand is, how does your employer benefit by putting "hi" money into your 40

Re: Freedom of speech?

2004-08-10 Thread William Bowen
For the same reason that McCain has spoken out against them and the Bush administration/campaign is distancing themselves from them. They're "dishonest and dishonorable" (McCain's words, does that count? Or is he a chardonnay swilling libral as well now?). How many of the men in those ads actuall

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Marlon Moyer
Yep, I much happier that he makes bad decisions and then sticks to them until the end.  Yep, it's a good thing he doesn't waffle. > -Original Message- > From: Sam Morris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:33 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: today's Kerryism >

Freedom of speech?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
Why are Lawyers for the DNC and the Kerry campaign intimidating television stations into not running anti-Kerry ads, produced by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which question Kerry’s heroism? -sm __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'd definately be all over Kerry like a cheap suit > if he screws up as > royally as Bush has done. > > larry If you think Bush screwed up by going to war and Kerry said he would have also gone to war, what's the difference? Then again Kerry sup

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah right. 30 countries, but how many troops were > sent in. All but a > very few of those countries actually supplied > troops. Of the following > countries named by Colin Powell as members of the > coalition of the > willing, how many soldiers d

RE: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Andy Ousterhout
I don't think that the US was necessarily looking for troops.  Not many countries have the technology and training to integrate with US.  So I am not sure that this is a fair way of looking at the strength of the coalition.   -Original Message-   From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTE

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
My references were just for troop numbers in April through December 2003. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:04:59 -0500, Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did they supply reconstruction help?  People, supplies, etc...? >  -Original Message- >  From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PRO

Re: 9/11 HOF archives

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Talking about Wendy, later people, I have to go and pick her up at the Metro. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 18:00:04 -0400, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amen >  - Original Message - >  From: Larry C. Lyons >  To: CF-Community >  Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:46 PM >  Subject:

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread Charlie Griefer
that's ridiculous. you can't xnarflargle a fleezywyke.  The diflangelshtupt doesn't turn that way. S.Isaac Dealey wrote: >Sure... > >Go in there and xnarflargle the fleezywyke before something bad >happens. > >:) > > >   > >>Now you have to use it in a sentence... >>    >> > >   > >>S.Isaac De

Re: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Whatever works for you. I don't use a spoon, but I've known people from Italy who do when eating pasta. Although it would be a bit difficult to use a spoon with lasagna. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The other day I was having pasta in an

RE: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Did they supply reconstruction help?  People, supplies, etc...?   -Original Message-   From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:59 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?   Yeah right. 30 countries, but how many troops

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Better yet how about what he did during his alcohol and cocaine days. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:53:08 -0400, S. Isaac Dealey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On other occasions, Kerry has said he was not actually > > in Cambodia but rather "near" the country. In an > > interview with the Provide

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'd definately be all over Kerry like a cheap suit if he screws up as royally as Bush has done. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:14:07 -0400, John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > me three > > -Original Message- > From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, August

Re: 9/11 HOF archives

2004-08-10 Thread Howie Hamlin
Amen   - Original Message -   From: Larry C. Lyons   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 5:46 PM   Subject: Re: 9/11 HOF archives   No thanks the day was bad enough for me to go back and look at it. My   wife was just a short distance away across the Potomac, and a good   

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Yeah right. 30 countries, but how many troops were sent in. All but a very few of those countries actually supplied troops. Of the following countries named by Colin Powell as members of the coalition of the willing, how many soldiers did they send? Afghanistan, Azerbaijan, Columbia, Costa Rica, t

RE: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
I hope you wear a lobster bib :) -sm --- Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I personally quite enjoy eating it slowly, putting > one end in my mouth > and slurping it up whenever possible. >   > I never got the hang of the twirling thing. >   > 0_0 >   > -Gel > > -Original Message--

Re: Mid-east map quiz

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Gotcha beat, Oman and Bahrain for me. Small little suckers. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:05:41 -0400, Jochem van Dieten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin Graeme wrote: > > Looking for some drag-drop puzzle examples, I came across this > > interesting educational puzzle where you have to identify

Re: 9/11 HOF archives

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
No thanks the day was bad enough for me to go back and look at it. My wife was just a short distance away across the Potomac, and a good friend's wife saw the plane hit the Pentagon. I have no wish to relive that day. larry On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:15:24 -0500, brobborb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread brobborb
I have to use both spoon and fork.  I start out with a fork, and chomp it, and the rest of the pieces fall down, most of it.  When I'm pretty much done, there will be little pieces every where, and I use a spoon for them :-D   - Original Message -   From: Angel Stewart   To: CF-Community

RE: color palette thingie

2004-08-10 Thread Katie Howell
Here's what I use: http://www.colorschemer.com/ cool tool. Katie --- "Harkins, Patrick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I use visibone too. But I do remember another one > somewhere. Also Visual > Studio has a nice one if you have it installed. > -Patrick > > >-Original Message- > >From:

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
>> Bush is a fortunate son, and the families of the >> american soldiers are the >> un-fortunate ones who have to bury their children >> and fathers and mothers >> and brothers and sisters because of his actions. >> > Bush is a leader and times like this we need a leader. Bush is a self-serving e

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Kerry would have you believe that without UN approval, he > would then of not attacked Iraq. > Which some may say is greatbut there might be a scary > precedence hereFrance dictates our military > *shudder* Why is the idea that someone else might not see the available evidence as b

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Vague? > More recently, in a profile of Kerry that appeared in > the Washington Post in June 2003, Kerry revealed that > he kept an old camouflage hat from the war in a secret > pocket in his briefcase. "My good luck hat," Kerry > told the paper. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went > in for a sp

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
I toe corrected. :) > Yeah, it's "toe". As in they draw the line in the sand of > where you > should be and you step up to defend it, you don't hang > back. > -Kevin > On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:26:38 -0700, Charlie Griefer > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-toe2.htm

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Well, whether he feels the intelligence should be better > or not, he's all but admitting he would of believed the > current intel, just like Bush did. > Now, you can make perfectly valid arguments that maybe > he'd of done things differently after that, but it kind of > takes the wind out of th

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Sure... Go in there and xnarflargle the fleezywyke before something bad happens. :) > Now you have to use it in a sentence... > S.Isaac Dealey wrote: >>Not if the word is xnarflargle :) >> >> >> >>>'Word of the Day' calendars display "today's word"...yet >>>chances are >>>that "today's word" h

Re: today's bushism

2004-08-10 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Let me make this simple for you, its the bushism for today. There are two ways to read Today's Bushism, you've chosen the more Bush like version. On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:45:59 -0500, Andy Ousterhout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How can a quote for 2003 be a "today's bushism."  Seems you are display

RE: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Angel Stewart
I personally quite enjoy eating it slowly, putting one end in my mouth and slurping it up whenever possible. I never got the hang of the twirling thing. 0_0 -Gel -Original Message- From: Erika L. Walker-Arnold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] "In Italy, spaghetti is served in a bowl. T

RE: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
Ahhh -  but some people from Italy do use a spoon ... Even in Italy ... Seems to be a question of utilty perhaps? Cheers, Erika >>| From: Kevin Graeme >>| >>| Yep, it's considered good manners in the US even though it's not in >>| Italy. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fa

Re: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
Yep, it's considered good manners in the US even though it's not in Italy. Similarly, you wouldn't slurp your Udon in the US, but you would in Japan. -Kevin On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The other day I was having pasta in an Italian > restauran

RE: OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
"In Italy, spaghetti is served in a bowl. There is no need for a spoon because you can simply use the side of your bowl on to which you spin your spaghetti!" From: http://www.virtualitalia.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=807 Hope that helps your spaghetti eating needs. I ALWAYS use a spoon. Not so m

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
The thing is, the sanctions against Iraq were UN sanctions, not US sanctions. It was the UN's decision to make. -Kevin On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:24:04 -0500, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kerry would have you believe that without UN approval, he would then of not attacked Iraq. > > Which some may

OT- Spaghetti and a spoon?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
The other day I was having pasta in an Italian restaurant and they served it with a spoon. That reminded me of when my niece was eating spaghetti with only a fork and my sister snapped at her for not using the spoon. Question is what's the proper etiquette. Is it now proper in America to twirl pas

Re: Mid-east map quiz

2004-08-10 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Kevin Graeme wrote: > Looking for some drag-drop puzzle examples, I came across this > interesting educational puzzle where you have to identify the > countries of the middle-east on a map. > > http://www.rethinkingschools.org/just_fun/games/mapgame.html > > Sad to say that while I learned all of

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Only considered that by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and > Sam Morris and perhaps Tom > DeLay. > > Everyone else believes him and his administration to > be war criminals. When you say everyone else do you mean Al Fraken, Terry McCauliff and Doug White? -

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- Doug White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The US has a history from time to time of casting a > veto in the Security council > of the UN, so what is the difference about France? France was one of the countries that told us Saddam had WMDs, they also told us he was trying to by yellowcake.  They

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sam - > > your post proves my point about blindly following > the party line. How is that? We know for fact Kerry lies, agreed? I asked what Bush lies. Are you refering to reasons for the Iraq war? Those are not lies. -sm > You're saying that K

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Doug White
Bush is a leader and times like this we need a leader. -sm Only considered that by Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and Sam Morris and perhaps Tom DeLay. Everyone else believes him and his administration to be war criminals. Liars, thieves, and the committers of various and sundry felonies against the Am

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Doug White
The US has a history from time to time of casting a veto in the Security council of the UN, so what is the difference about France? As far as I am concerned if it was vetoed, I would not have gone in unilaterally., that's all.   - Original Message -   From: G   To: CF-Community   Sent:

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Perhaps... but then given all the other evidence, I don't think France was unreasonable in not supporting the war. But it's also not unreasonable for someone like Kerry to say they still would have gone to war -- given certain circumstances -- and those circumstances including UN approval (and bet

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread G
agreed. I think it's a testament to just how scared of Clinton the republicans are. No matter what they slung, he came out clean. Even today, they feel an almost irresistible need to try and cut him down...with the usual lack of success i might add.   - Original Message -   From: Howie

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread G
I think authorizing force should only be used to drive home one point "This is it". Basically, you dont even authorize force, unless you've ALREADY reached your last resort.   "We are going to smoke you if you dont do A, B, and C". You'd better of exhausted all other options for achieving A, B,

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Howie Hamlin
Look at the difference between Desert Storm and the current debacle.  A true coalition makes things a lot easier.  Of course the UN does not dictate what the US military does but it would have been a much easier going with the proper mandate.   - Original Message -   From: G   To: CF-Comm

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Iraq": UN should have acted as soon as Saddam > violated the terms of the end > of the Gulf War. Yeah but they didn't did they? > The gulf war was not between the US > and Iraq, but the > "civilized" world and Saddam. So the world should > have act

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread G
Kerry would have you believe that without UN approval, he would then of not attacked Iraq. Which some may say is greatbut there might be a scary precedence hereFrance dictates our military *shudder*   - Original Message -   From: Sam Morris   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesda

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Charlie Griefer
Sam - your post proves my point about blindly following the party line. You're saying that Kerry has been proven beyond any shadow of a doubt to be a liar...but Bush has not? Sam Morris wrote: >--- Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >   > >>Tangorre, Michael wrote: >>    >> > >   >

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Howie Hamlin
I heard he was all hat, no cattle http://www.allhatnocattle.net/   - Original Message -   From: Sam Morris   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 4:13 PM   Subject: Re: today's Kerryism   --- Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   > What kind of hat was GW Bush wearing

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What kind of hat was GW Bush wearing when he was > missing for 9 months? For nine months he wore this: http://www.hatcountry.com/catalog/images/ShapeableRaffia2.jpg He was only missing for three months, then he was wearing this: http://www.pimphats.c

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
There couldn’t have been a UN approval because France promised to veto it. It’s funny how France is also the country making the most from the oil-for-food scandal. So you hate Bush so much for taking us to this war but now Kerry said he would have done the same. The difference being he would have h

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tangorre, Michael wrote: > But if they're caught in a lie while in office...I > think they should be > voted out.  Doesn't mean the challenger isn't > lying...but if we don't > vote out lying incumbents then there is no > motivation for it to sto

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Andy Ousterhout
Beer hat, of course!   -Original Message-   From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:49 PM   To: CF-Community   Subject: Re: today's Kerryism   What kind of hat was GW Bush wearing when he was missing for 9 months?     - Original Message -    

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Howie Hamlin
What kind of hat was GW Bush wearing when he was missing for 9 months?   - Original Message -   From: Sam Morris   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:05 PM   Subject: Re: today's Kerryism   Vague?   More recently, in a profile of Kerry that appeared in   the Washington

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
Vague? More recently, in a profile of Kerry that appeared in the Washington Post in June 2003, Kerry revealed that he kept an old camouflage hat from the war in a secret pocket in his briefcase. "My good luck hat," Kerry told the paper. "Given to me by a CIA guy as we went in for a special mission

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread William Bowen
hehe a bit... the nuances were a little difficult... a couple tylenol and some good scotch should help. ;-) > Did your brain hurt after typing that? > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
Actually, I previously laughed at Kerry's gaff at the DNC speech where he said that he would "double the special forces to engage in terror campaigns...anti-terror campaigns." I thought that slip was funny. And he pronounced the "American Idea" as "American Idear" which set me on edge. -Kevin On

Re: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Kevin Graeme
Yeah, it's "toe". As in they draw the line in the sand of where you should be and you step up to defend it, you don't hang back. -Kevin On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:26:38 -0700, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-toe2.htm > > i wasn't curious enough to goo

RE: today's Kerryism

2004-08-10 Thread Sam Morris
--- John Stanley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Actually I’m not defending Bush, I’m attacking Kerry. I think being a chronic liar is worse than tripping while speaking publicly.  But that’s me. > in the face of so much overwhelming opposition What are you talking about here? So many Liberals? -sm

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Howie Hamlin
Did your brain hurt after typing that?   - Original Message -   From: William Bowen   To: CF-Community   Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:00 PM   Subject: Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?   > Kerry said yes!   But he's flip-floppin' agin, gal-durnit!   Y'see first my opponent i

Re: Kerry would of gone to Iraq too?

2004-08-10 Thread Howie Hamlin
It all boils down to the speak softly and carry a big stick policy.  Congress authorizing force can be a means of driving home a point - "hey, if you don't straighten out then we're gonna kick your a__" Congressional authorization of force was intended to be a way of getting Iraq to completely com

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