In October. But still maintained an overall area less at all times
than the 79 to 2000 average and the only average it beat out is last
years. Oh, and that average fell below last years this month. Oh, and
its all new ice, which melts much faster than ice that has been there
more than 2 years, so w
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> Good to know there are no Dems still going on about the "conspiracy" behind
> the Iraq War. Oh wait.
Which conspiracy? As far as I'm aware, most of the case against going
to war in Iraq is pretty well laid out without any need for
conspiracy.
Good to know there are no Dems still going on about the "conspiracy" behind
the Iraq War. Oh wait.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> Dems just don't seem to
> have the same level of commitment to a conspiracy theory.
>
~~~
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 7:24 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> you have officially become a raving lunatic
I said that about the Vince Foster gig too. I think its true (that
they are raving lunatics) in both cases. Difference is that
Republicans have shown they will drag that farce to the grave, as it
wer
Casey - I think what you're looking for is something like this:
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basically it connects to your main PC, has a keyboard, mouse and
monitor attached and uses Terminal Services on the main computer.
Wha
Because I just know certain people on this list are going to trash you
for suggesting Bush's involvement.
Wonder if they used the same hit men that the Clinton's hired to off
Ron Brown and Vince Foster.
Someone should set up a website for the Bush Body Count like this one:
http://www.zpub.com/un
you have officially become a raving lunatic
On 12/21/08, Gruss Gott wrote:
> A top level Republican IT consultant who was set to testify in a case
> alleging GOP election tampering in Ohio died in a plane crash late
> Friday night.
>
> Michael Connell -- founder of Ohio-based New Media Communicat
Wow, reaching are we? I mean Jesus, I am not a big fan of Bush but
seriously? The man is out of office in less than a month. Let it go man, let
it go. Embrace your new Messiah.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:37 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Karl_Roves_IT_guru_Mike_Connell_1220
the flaw is that they also have no incentive to stop if we don't. And If
neither country stops, gee, there are more emission than if ne of them does.
Oh yeah, and I am trying to breathe over here. That's the big one for me
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:15 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> The nuclear ind
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Karl_Roves_IT_guru_Mike_Connell_1220.html
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A top level Republican IT consultant who was set to testify in a case
alleging GOP election tampering in Ohio died in a plane crash late
Friday night.
Michael Connell -- founder of Ohio-based New Media Communications,
which created campaign Web sites for George W. Bush and John McCain --
died inst
The nuclear industry has been authorized to receive the kinds of subsidies
that are offered to large infrastructure projects - money to deal with state
and local licensing processes, R & D money for technological improvements,
tax breaks, loans and loan guarantees, and insurance against lawsuits. T
Not sure what you mean by re-image a VM. If the VM is a file, you can easily
make a copy and restore to that point at any time. Are you asking if you can
boot into a restore mode and restore from a CD or ISO? I don't see why not,
you just need to run the VM with the proper mount points. On the comm
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 6:24 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> I think you missed my point.
>
> It was stated:
>
> 'If we take measures to do something about GW, but then discover
> it wasn't real, how much will we regret that?'
>
> I was merely pointing out that I have heard others use the same logic when
looks wild man...
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 11:51 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
> So, I'm at the end of a trip to Hong Kong (been here 9 days now) and
> did a day trip to Macau yesterday. My girlfriend snap
> Cam wrote:
> So, I'm at the end of a trip to Hong Kong (been here 9 days now) and
> did a day trip to Macau yesterday.
Pretty cool, Cam! You'll have to give us a writeup with pix when you
return, sounds pretty cool.
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True, see ice was shrinking.
"The total amount of ice, which set a record low value last year, grew in
October at the fastest pace since record-keeping began in 1979."
http://tinyurl.com/5e84e6
Andrew.
>http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/02/16/braasch-tuvalu/
>
>http://www.npr.org/t
But since Jan 2007 there has been a precipitous drop in temperatures, more than
all the warming of the last 100 years:
http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_large_hadcrut.jpg
Andrew.
>Ice melting across globe at accelerating rate, NASA says
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/16/meltin
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/02/16/braasch-tuvalu/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5364584
::shrug::
that's off the top of my head. But o my bad there is no proof is there
D
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Ice melting across globe at acce
Ice melting across globe at accelerating rate, NASA says
http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/16/melting.ice/index.html
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Grosset wrote:
> The next ice age starts soon:
> http://www.iceagenow.com
~~
The next ice age starts soon:
http://www.iceagenow.com
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming
http://tinyurl.com/3b6zje
Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years
http://tinyurl.com/52ovwn
Sea Ice Growing at Fastest Pace on Record
http://tinyurl.com/5e
I see Global Warming as part of a greater problem, the systematic
destruction of our planet by our own hand, via the waste that we pump
into the environment.
Solving one part will solve others, (IE: treating air born pollutants
including CO2 before it hits the atmosphere).
Jim Davis wrote:
>>
"Clamshell Packaging" that is:
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/12/20/sony-to-stop-using-frustrating-wasteful-cl
amshell-packaging/
Good for Amazon and Sony... I hope other's follow suit.
Although it doesn't do a damn thing for me THIS Christmas. ;^)
Jim Davis
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stewart [mailto:saste...@email.unc.edu]
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 1:37 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: SCIENCE!
>
> This goes back to one of my sticking points with the entire "Global
> Warming doesn't exist crowd."
>
> 1) We know that dumpi
> Scott wrote:
> As I pointed out in another thread, we do not know what is causing the
> climate change, so it does not make sense to spend tons of money
If you have insurance (home, car, life, health, et al) then you
clearly believe in the concept of spending resources to protect
against unknow
> Scott wrote:
> I think what you are saying is that no one shold be rich.
>
Nope. I'm saying what I said, and I didn't say that.
In short, Laissez Faire has 2 core problems:
(1.) Short Term: peaks and valleys, otherwise known as depressions and booms.
If our society doesn't have a tolerance f
> Scott wrote:
> I will put the auto industry 'bailout' on Bush, but the banking bailout
> squarely on the Democrats shoulders.
>
George Bush and the Republicans owned everything but did nothing for 6
years despite warnings from just about every corner.
The entire crisis is 100% Bush's fault prim
"Let's say you are right that we do not know the likelihood (which seems
unlikely, but ok). There is still the fact that the extinction of the human
race would be a Very Bad Thing (TM) and should be avoided if possible. Or,
to put it another way, if one factor is infinitely large, you cannot
discou
If we are not the cause, or exacerbation, of the climate change, then
nothing we do will matter and we will perish anyway. I am not against doing
anything to stop it if we are indeed the cause, But to devote a lot of
money to something that cannot be proven (beyond any reasonable doubt) that
it w
> -Original Message-
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:46 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: SCIENCE!
>
> As I pointed out in another thread, we do not know what is causing the
> climate change, so it does not make sense to spend tons of
> We are reducing CO2 emissions more than any other country in the
> world,
link please
> bar maybe Britain that doesn't do much of it's own
> manufacturing anymore.
link please
>
>
> Meanwhile China and India are increasing emissions faster than we can
> reduce.
link please
>
> Solar and
you can't "point out" something that nonsensical, and of course it makes
sense to take measures now.
If a train is coming at you you get out of the way, you don't research the
odds that it may stop before it reaches you. This is standard planning
technique. You factor in the likelihood of an outco
>or is this just you inner Luddite coming out? :)
/me takes forefinger and taps end of nose.
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How do you justify empirical statements like that?
1) Solar power is proven technology, it does work. An individual can
take a house almost entirely off the electrical grid with current
technology.
Panels are getting exponentially cheaper as newer thin panels come out
on the market. Solar used
Wow, what a poignant and truly relevant analogy. You are always on point
with your insights Sam.
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:39 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: global warming my eye
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20
I don't think anyone has EVER suggested that reducing CO2 is a
be-all-end-all solution. It's part of an overall strategy. It seems like
common sense to me that reducing our pollution is good for everything and
everyone on the planet. Everyone benefits from cleaner air, you can't
dispute that.
And
So Sam, that means we are heading for extinction.
If Solar and Wind are failures, and Oil is a non-renewable resource, what
hope is there for our society?
What is *YOUR* solution?
2008/12/21 Sam
>
> Solar and Wind are wasted failures.
> Electric cars in Europe are a failure.
> Throwing money at
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/something_else_for_al_gore_to.html
Something else for Al Gore to worry about (updated)
Richard Strimple
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but I have detected a new
crisis that I have named "the daylight change crisis". I first noticed
it sometim
We are reducing CO2 emissions more than any other country in the
world, bar maybe Britain that doesn't do much of it's own
manufacturing anymore.
Meanwhile China and India are increasing emissions faster than we can reduce.
Solar and Wind are wasted failures.
Electric cars in Europe are a failure
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
>
> Just look at ethanol from corn. What a stupid idea that was, right from the
> very beginning. It all started because farmers could not sell all of their
> corn.
LOL
Why can humans not digest corn?
If you would rather not see any corn in yo
uhmm, just a little nit pick
Farmers didn't invent corn ethanol as a fuel, they've been drinking it
for centuries, this is called "moonshine".
They've also been using said alcoholic beverage to run their own
machinery for the last few decades. It's a simple process to convert a
gas powered
That being said, I do my share as long as it does not cost me money (such as
turning he thermostat down a bit more in the winter, up a little bit more in
the summer as well as trying to consolidate our driving, recycling, etc).
However, you won't see me investing a substantial amount of money to 'g
As I pointed out in another thread, we do not know what is causing the
climate change, so it does not make sense to spend tons of money on a
'solution' that may have no affect. We need more research/knowledge to make
an informed decison about what is the proper solution (if the problem is
being cau
You did not answer my question.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Vivec wrote:
> The only reason we are not reducing CO2 emissions is because of capitalist
> economic concerns.
>
> Not any other reason.
>
> Our societal structures continue to place profit above mankind.
>
> This is why trillions
Do you know if you can save the VM and reimage the VM if you mess something
up? I'm building an ubuntu server now but I haven't found a clear answer if
I can reimage a VM on the desktop side.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Munn [mailto:cfmuns...@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 200
ok so
case one -- they are not the driving force and we do nothing -- outcome
neutral
case two -- they are and we do some remediation --outcome acceptable
case three -- they are and we do nothing -- outcome unacceptable
case four -- they are not and we do something -- some financial losses
I am i
The only reason we are not reducing CO2 emissions is because of capitalist
economic concerns.
Not any other reason.
Our societal structures continue to place profit above mankind.
This is why trillions of dollars in resources can be spent on war and
military research, billions on oil exploration
But if we do not know what is causing it, how can we say, with any accuracy,
what a solution would be?
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Vivec wrote:
> The threat is that the earth will go on quite happily...
>
> but without us.
>
>
>
> 2008/12/21 Scott Stroz
>
> > I think it is just as likely t
At the risk of putting words in Sam's mouth. I _think_ what he is trying to
say is that since we do not know what is causing the climate change, should
we really be spending tons of money on a 'solution'? If you don't know the
cause of the problem, how can you have a solution to it?
On Fri, Dec 1
The threat is that the earth will go on quite happily...
but without us.
2008/12/21 Scott Stroz
> I think it is just as likely that the 'warming' could be a natural part of
> the Earth's climate (some believe we are still coming out of the last ice
> age) as it is from our cars and factories.
Where is the proof? We are basing the whole 'global warming' thing on about
150 years of data. The Earth is billions of years old. Statistically, we
have a minuscule (some might argue, insignificant) amount of data on which
to base this opinion (in either direction).
I think it is just as likel
I think you missed my point.
It was stated:
'If we take measures to do something about GW, but then discover
it wasn't real, how much will we regret that?'
I was merely pointing out that I have heard others use the same logic when
discussing God. 'If you spend your whole life devoted to God and
Otherwise known as Rene Descartes' "Le Pari," or "The Wager."
I don't see that "bleeding hearts" would care either way. I personally
think that you cannot talk yourself into believing in God and that anyone
who does so out of self-interest is probably committing a greater sin than
unbelief.
Howe
I think what you are saying is that no one shold be rich.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > gMoney wrote:
> > well.what's so wrong about that again?
> >
>
> That's the good part mostly and the part that should stay in place.
>
> We're all motivated by greed (pick your wo
Wait...how is this Bush's fault? Didn't Democrats overwhelmingly vote for
the banking bailout?
I will put the auto industry 'bailout' on Bush, but the banking bailout
squarely on the Democrats shoulders.
>
> What else would you call a system where the poor work to pay for the
> rich? To bail th
Funny, I have heard people use the same logic about believing in God.
'There is a chance there is a God, so why not believe just to make sure you
are covered'. I cannot imagine how the bleeding hearts would react to that.
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > RoMunn wrote:
> >
My point is that oil and nuclear power plants do in fact receive huge
subsidies and this is in fact part of their business model. I am not sure
how viable ethanol is but wind and solar, given a tenth of the subsidies oil
recieves, could easily be quite profitable, thank you.
As for your whole cont
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