Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
*sigh*...the Taliban is a religious political movement. Many tribes in Afghanistan are strongly allied with it. Not all. Most tribes have at least a segment of the populace that are aligned with it. Some do not. Within the groups that are allied, historically, with the Taliban, there are people ar

Re: The Compact Disc is Dirty Thirty!

2009-03-08 Thread Maureen
Mike Oldfield Tubular Bells. I still have it. Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon was the second. One of the most fun nights of my life occurred when I got a huge bonus and decided to replace my entire album collection with CDs. I spent hours in Tower Records picking out the music that I wanted.

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
She was "drugs and thugs". I can appreciate the idea of making Taliban membership a bar to government but I worry that the barrier would make recovery too slow. Governing in Afghanistan has been a very tenuous thing historically. The current government has to figure out a new President come this A

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
Which part did you find disrespectful to the person instead of the opinion? I find his attacks on positions to be uniformly biased and I addressed them as such. But if I do not feel that I attacked him as a person. I'm happy to listen to your critiques. Judah On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Jud

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Ah, I see your problem. You assume that the Taliban runs the tribes. You assume that the Taliban is made up of the tribes. You assume that they are a 'conservative faction' of the tribes. You assume I'm saying that there are no moderate PEOPLE from Afghanistan. Sorry to say but your wrong. The Tal

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
The defining characteristic of the Taliban is intolerance, Judah. Especially towards women as anything more than slaves. The question is: Are the Taliban and the tribes synonymous? That's the lynchpin on which your argument hangs: That the Taliban lead the tribes. Not having been to Afghanistan p

RE: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread LRS Scout
I think like Iraq we should make Taliban membership a bar to serving in government, it may take us longer to rebuild, but I feel the foundation will be more solid. What part of DoS? Or was she "State" ;) I did mention the OGAs specifically btw. -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [m

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
There is a lot I don't know. There is a lot you don't know. You may know more about the region than I. I'm quite familiar with the Northern Alliance and have looked up the history before I assure you. The "Taliban" is not a cut and dried thing just like the Northern Alliance. It is like saying tha

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Judah, The problem isn't that you disagree. It's how you speak to Michael. You speak with a great deal of disrespect and are personally attacking him. You could have made your point, and much more effectively, without cutting into him that way. For example, the way you just expressed yourself was

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
The "she" in question was a State Department employee, so certainly not a normal civilian. She lived in a hooch and fell asleep in a blackhawk in full body armor. And hell yes, conditions are horrible in Afghanistan. Even in the liberated cities. Especially for women. I never said otherwise. But t

RE: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread LRS Scout
See now I know you don't know shit. The Taliban has associated tribes, some of them with warring histories that go back centuries. Mainly these are along the boarders with Pakistan. However if you actually knew the history you would know there are many more that aren't with the talib douche noz

RE: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread LRS Scout
If they are in the Taliban they are extremists. Period. If they are an associated tribe that isn't actually members then every effort should be made to return them to the national fold. Otherwise fucking kill them. Child molesting fucking freaks for the most part anyway. Tell me I'm don't kno

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
I totally understand the lobbyist appointee thing. I have mixed feelings about it. He's appointed a couple of lobbyist in contraindication of his pledges. At the same time, his lobbyist appointment issues have meant that a number of spot is the Treasury (and elsewhere) have been difficult to fill

RE: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread LRS Scout
I spent almost 2 years (ok one and a half) in that same country trying to stop this from the other side of things. I can tell you this. There are schools for girls in some places in many there aren't. There are a great many places SHE wouldn't have been able to go without an armed escort, esp

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
I'm supposing that you are speaking to the line where I said that Michael should "please take it somewhere where you don't run up against the very complicated and greyscale actual world." If not, I apologize and will happily seek clarification. If that is what you mean, that is no call to censors

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
Who do you think are in charge of the tribes in Afghanistan? You're saying that quote "there are no moderate elements".I'm saying that you are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about. I read your email. The world is a complicated place and you don't seem to understand that. The Tali

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Judah, I think you're on thin ice when you ask the person running the list to take his views somewhere else. Michael doesn't tell you what to think -- how do you get off telling him what to think? Judith On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:50 AM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > This is why I don't take you seri

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
There we just have disagreements and that's fine. I think that a public payer option can substantially streamline health care costs and produce a system that encourages preventative health care and provides reasonable remuneration to doctors while not incurring excessive overhead. You think otherw

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Let me start by saying you can't read shit for shit to use your own words. My post did not say Muslims. It said Taliban. It said Hamas. It said extremists who only operate in black and white. Extremists who have no problem living in black and white. People who are moderate or see the world in anyt

Re: The Compact Disc is Dirty Thirty!

2009-03-08 Thread Jim Davis
>Which, along with an invitation to my 20-year High School Reunion, makes me >feel extremely old: > >http://i.gizmodo.com/5166399/happy-30th-birthday-compact-disc Hey! In honor of the occasion (and in my continuing attempt to avoid political threads here) let's reminicse: what was the first CD

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
This is why I don't take you seriously in the slightest. Everything is black and white to you and there is no potential room for moderates. Fine, you've got your cut and dried world view, please take it somewhere where you don't run up against the very complicated and greyscale actual world. One o

The Compact Disc is Dirty Thirty!

2009-03-08 Thread Jim Davis
Which, along with an invitation to my 20-year High School Reunion, makes me feel extremely old: http://i.gizmodo.com/5166399/happy-30th-birthday-compact-disc Jim Davis ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important a

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> Grant wrote: > > Exactly. Obama should have better defined exactly what he was going to do > about every single issue he might ever have to deal with over the next four > years. Hope and change my arse. Bush v2.0. > And never change any of that based on circumstances. Better yet he should just

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Grant
Exactly. Obama should have better defined exactly what he was going to do about every single issue he might ever have to deal with over the next four years. Hope and change my arse. Bush v2.0. *yup* On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I would like, for once, for a politician

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Grant
Dude, I feel you! And I'm sure it's not you. Leah, the (almost) 17 month old who likes to hurt my cat is getting to the point where I think she is going to break Yoshi's leg. Every thing I try only makes her laugh. I think the exact thing. "I made this little girl?" I'm starting to think a bad fa

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
When I used to teach First Aid/EMT Classes, I woudl tell the students that kids are like the Abominable Snowman from Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer...they bounce. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > > I'm glad that kids, especially younger o

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
True, fortunately for everyone. What I find so amazing about being a parent is how callous children can be about the sufferings of other children, even (sometimes especially) their own siblings. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > I just described...well...humanity. > >

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I just described...well...humanity. I'm glad that kids, especially younger ones, can bounce back from things that would really hurt us. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 10:14 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > You just described...well..kids. > > Glad to hear Sarah is OK. > ~~~

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Yes, everyone else here with kids can join in on my lamentations. > I would, but I don't have any issues with your kids. (glad Sarah is OK) :) -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
You just described...well..kids. Glad to hear Sarah is OK. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > I like to think I'm smart and perceptive. I like to think I'm a good person > (except when I'm evil). I like to think my genes would result in kids > something like me. Nope.

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
She's ok. No bleeding, no scrapes, no broken bones. A bump or two on the head but after asking if I could kiss her boo-boos, she's not really crying anymore. Well, that and offering for her to watch a video with me. No Heroics is not for and I'm not sure Puppet Master is either but it calms her do

RE: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stewart
So this is what I have to look forward to? :) Sarah's alright isn't she? -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:mdino...@houseoffusion.com] Sent: Sunday, March 08, 20

Re: The Watchmen

2009-03-08 Thread Gruss Gott
> Cam wrote: > I thought it was a great movie, but about 30-45 minutes too long. > Yeah, it did run a bit long. Rorshach made the movie IMO and had the best line. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dra

Re: I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Dana
Lets start here --- Is Sarah OK? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:39 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > I like to think I'm smart and perceptive. I like to think I'm a good person > (except when I'm evil). I like to think my genes would result in kids > something like me. Nope. No luck in that. > Sarah Bi

I've done wrong

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I like to think I'm smart and perceptive. I like to think I'm a good person (except when I'm evil). I like to think my genes would result in kids something like me. Nope. No luck in that. Sarah Binah, my 22 month old, just fell down the stairs. Moshe, my 11 year old was sitting on the stairs and j

Re: The Watchmen

2009-03-08 Thread Cameron Childress
I saw the movie yesterday. I thought it was a little long, but it was very well done. It definitely had alot of character development - you're right. I was expecting more action from it, which was a little disappointing, but it definitely had it's moments. One fight scene in particular I thoug

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I would like, for once, for a politician to actually say what it is he will do and then do it. Not offer any excuses, disclaimers, or clarifications. I'll just file this one with 'no lobbyist appointees'. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > I don't get this view at all. Y

I am not sure what to make of this

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
But it sure is an interesting statistic... http://snurl.com/df09a -- Scott Stroz --- The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. - Thomas Jefferson http://xkcd.com/386/ ~~~

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:29 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > It's all spin and misinformation. > > Yep, and both sides of the aisle, including our Commander in Chief are masters of it. -- Scott Stroz --- The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to w

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
So most of the 600,000+ people who recently lost theor jobs lost them because they have health issues? On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Maureen wrote: > > The biggest cause of job loss is health problems. > -- Scott Stroz --- The democracy will cease to exist when you take away f

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
For the first part of your message, see where I asked about using debit cards to limit, at least, where the cards can be used. I would imagine the technology exists to even know what is being bought so that non-qualified items can be excluded. Just so I am clear...again...because it may cost to mu

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Maureen
Yes, and the number of children who die in foster care because of abuse or negligent is staggering. The foster care system is more broken that the welfare system. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, families who care for foster children get more money for those children >

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Dinowitz
And next is moderate elements of Hamas, then moderate elements of Hizballah, then, then, then. I'm sorry to say this in a totally sweeping way but these organizations have no moderate elements. Those that are moderate either leave or are killed. Pakastan has dealt with the 'moderate' elements of

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
Shifting costs to the government isn't going to fix the problem, it will only make it worse. The end result of socialized medicine is going to be rationing of care. Most of the developed world has the same problem- aging populations and ever-more expensive drugs, tests, and surgeries. We need to c

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
I'll have to read that later. The thesis seems reasonable to me. Over consumption has most certainly been a hallmark of the American Experience (tm) for some time now. Health care costs are very problematic. They are certainly not the only thing that is problematic. Thanks, Judah On Sun, Mar 8,

RE: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread LRS Scout
So far I'm hearing that they are talking about individual tribes with Talib ties. Let's remember the sunni uprising basically won the post war in Iraq, remove the recruitment and supply pool from the enemy and they wither and die, especially in a place like the boarder area. Food, water, and peo

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2009-03-08 Thread Tony
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Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Jochem van Dieten
> Take a look at this study. This guy believes that over-consumption is more > responsible for personal bankruptcies than anything else. He acknowledges > that medical costs play a significant role, but he argues that > over-consumption on durable goods such as homes and automobiles leaves > peopl

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Maureen
7.7 billion in earmarks in 410 billion dollar budget, a huge chuck of them to infrastructure and water projects. None of the rest of the budget is being questioned. 62% of all earmarks in the 2008 budget went to military projects 17% to corp of engineers projects. less than 7% to social programs

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Deanna Schneider
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > So, families who care for foster children get more money for those children > than the actual parents who may be getting government assistance?  I see an > issue with that. > If you factor in the cost of all the caseworkers and court folks i

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
*shrug*. I happen to think that facts are important. Sorry. I would say that there are enough other facts about the health care crisis in our country which are not in dispute that we need to get it done no matter what percentage of bankruptcies are due to health care costs. None the less I think t

Re: Guess Who??!! You'll NEVER Guess ...

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Gruss wrote: > The sub-prime thing is so laughably inconsequential comparatively, > anyone who repeats it is just plain ignorant or intentionally > attempting to deceive you. > No one outside the financial industry ever heard of credit default swaps until the h

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Maureen
Gonna test them for alcohol, tobacco or Prozac? How about caffeine or chocolate? When I worked across from the housing project in downtown Atlanta, I would see the ladies sitting on their porches with french manicures and silk running suits. Should we test for nail polish? Go through their clo

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Maureen
The biggest cause of bankruptcy is job loss. The biggest cause of job loss is health problems. Job loss + health problems = huge financial problems. Personal anecdote: This time last year I had a six figure salary and an investment portfolio in excess of seven figures. I lost my job in June.

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
I don't get this view at all. You're saying that when he stated a general principal of earmark reform that he should have explicitly said "in budgets that I negotiate on"? I figured that that was rather implied. This isn't his budget. He has presented his budget and is going into negotiations with

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
Take a look at this study. This guy believes that over-consumption is more responsible for personal bankruptcies than anything else. He acknowledges that medical costs play a significant role, but he argues that over-consumption on durable goods such as homes and automobiles leaves people unable t

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
What percentage of the population would need to steal money from you to buy drugs before you thought the problem was big enough to report it to the police? In my mind people on government assistance who do illegal drugs are thieves. No better, no worse than anyone who would break into my house an

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Jerry Johnson
Well, he WAS a senator last year. LOL, so that budget belongs to him and congress collectively. But you are right in that his "mandate" was not in place then. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > This budget omnibus bill is left over from the previous Congress. We > are ope

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
What good are facts? The 'facts' you have presented differ vastly in what percentage of personal bankruptcies are due to health care related costs. If health care costs are not a large percentage of personal bankruptcies, do you think we should focus on the other major causes first before we get

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
So, families who care for foster children get more money for those children than the actual parents who may be getting government assistance? I see an issue with that. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Dana wrote: > > ::cough:: I will take that as a genuine question. > > Foster care definitely

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
This is just another example of how we were told one thing yet he does another. I don't care that the omnibus bill is left over from last Congress, he should have said so from the beginning. Not promised the farm and then when it comes time to deliver say, well, that is not really what we meant.

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
which will get us out of the recession in the short term, but punish the country with inflation, higher taxes and lower growth in the long term. thanks mr. president! On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Gruss wrote: > > Thus the government shouldn't be spending less, it should be spending WAY > mo

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
You don't know that it is not the biggest cause of bankruptcy by a long way. There is, as far as I'm aware, one study. The study reported it as being 54% of bankruptcies. Counter analysis says 17%. In the 8 years since the year under study there, costs have significantly increased, wages have stag

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
A cause of bankruptcy, not the biggest cause by a long way. Furthermore, I don't see why reducing bankruptcies should be a policy goal in and of itself. And yes, health care is a major problem, but shifting the cost to the federal government isn't going to fix the problem. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at

Re: any thing you want shot?

2009-03-08 Thread Rastafari
yeah! On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > Caught by a motion capture camera > > -- > Scott Stewart > ColdFusion Developer > 4405 Oakshyre Way > Raleigh, NC 27616 > (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 > > -Original Message- > From: Rastafari [mailto:rastaf...@gmail.com

Re: is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
It does say "moderate elements of the Taliban" and references similar actions in Iraq with the Sunni's. Given that the main Taliban leadership wants no part of a democratic government and Karazai is supporting these efforts I think it can safely be said that it isn't negotiations with the main lea

Re: Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
This budget omnibus bill is left over from the previous Congress. We are operating on a continuing resolution right now which is about to expire. This bill was entirely negotiated and done before Obama was in office so I don't think you can really blame him for anything about the bill. Yes, he cou

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-08 Thread Judah McAuley
Healthcare is totally related to the financial problems of the average American. Not just correlation, causation. I'm not totally happy with his approach and not totally happy with the people involved. However, he's the first person to seriously take a good shot at the problem in a long time so I'

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I would be happy with people nit using government assistance money to buy drugs. To the end I think we need to test to see who is actually doing that AND offer education and treatment to those who do test positive and any others in need of these services. How will we know who needs treatment if w

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Cameron Childress
On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > Cam and Scott, would you be satisfied if that money was put towards drug > education rather than testing? Or some other method of treating the problem > vs. punishing the symptoms? Michael, I'm glad you asked, rather than making assumptions

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Dana
::cough:: I will take that as a genuine question. Foster care definitely costs more. And does less, unless your measure is harm. Foster care is better than physical abuse (usually) or actual starvation. It's not an improvement or a savings in most other situations, and even the people who run the

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Dana
tough call. Depends on the drug addict. But note that you are not requiring that the person be addicted; merely that they test positive. On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Which do you think is better, having the kids raised in foster care or by a > drug addict? > > On Sat

Change we can believe in....

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
...well, next year... http://snurl.com/ddy0m Its interesting to see that when push comes to shove, Obama is no different than any one before him. -- Scott Stroz --- The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would n

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
The more I have been forced to think about this issue during this thread, the more I am in favor of the bill. I get a kick out of the attitude of 'its not going to save money, so lets not do it'. I would hazrd a gues that we don't save any money by putting most criminals in jail, so maybe we sho

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
Which do you think is better, having the kids raised in foster care or by a drug addict? On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Dana wrote: > > oh that's ok, they can always go into foster care. Remember, it will save > money. > > > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Maureen wrote: > > > > > Before

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Scott Stroz
I think not giving tax dollars to those who will spend them on drugs is as good a place to start as any. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Just what do you find an acceptable use for YOUR tax dollars? > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > If they are

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Grant
The problem with the drug testing idea is that it would seem impossible to define working parameters for it. It's fine to take the hard line and say cut off the 19 year old guy who's dropped out of school and is smoking blunts every day with his friends. That makes sense. What about the mother wit

Re: Obama in over his head

2009-03-08 Thread Michael Grant
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Re: User info stolen from music site

2009-03-08 Thread Vivec
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Re: Obama in over his head

2009-03-08 Thread Robert Munn
The [State Depatment] official dismissed any notion of the special relationship, saying: "There's nothing special about Britain. You're just the same as the other 190 countries in the world. You shouldn't expect special treatment." This says it all. For all the insistence by Obama's supporters t