So after suffering through 2 NFL seasons out of market, I am taking
Charlie's advice and gonna make the switch from Comcast to Directv this fall
so I can get the NFL Ticket and not spend hundreds of dollars at bars on
Sundays.
My question - any advice as to what offers to look out for? I know I ca
I'm stuck in an altered time-deal. What was ages ago for most people
was instants (instants? hm. an instant? eh) ago for me, and vice
versa.
But not consistently.
Like, I'm pretty sure I typed this next week.
--
An author spends months writing a book, and maybe puts his heart's
blood into it,
interestingly enough, the http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/
index.html site pretty much claims their mormonseven more mormon
than the lds church.
regardless though, even if they're not mormon, they're bigger than a
cult and that's what I was originally replying about.
On Jul 24, 200
well that would be a fundamental difference between us :)
On Jul 24, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> No, I just weigh the statement from the mormon's own website over
> wikipedia's entry (which also states that are no longer part of the
> Mormon church)
>
> On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:
No, I just weigh the statement from the mormon's own website over
wikipedia's entry (which also states that are no longer part of the
Mormon church)
On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
>
> Did you miss that first part --- "is one of the largest Mormon
> fundamentalist deno
Did you miss that first part --- "is one of the largest Mormon
fundamentalist denominations"
On Jul 24, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebroxwrote:
>> founding members left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
>> (LDS Chur
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebroxwrote:
> founding members left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> (LDS Church). The split occurred largely because of the LDS Church's
> renunciation of polygamy and its decision to excommunicate
> practitioners of plural marriage.
*smirk*
I never said it was the norm, Michael.
I said that America has its own form of this behaviour.
But anyways..other list members have already explained what I said.
2009/7/24 Michael Dinowitz :
>
> Lets discount the imported as he said America. Also, he said religious
> leaders. I really do
From wikipedia:
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS
Church) is one of the largest Mormon fundamentalistdenominations[1][2]
and one of United States' largest practitioners of plural marriage.[3]
The FLDS Church emerged in the early twentieth century when its
I thought they _were_ Mormons, but not members of the LDS
(Like Koresh was a Christian or "Jews for Jesus" are Jews, basically a
self-identifying subset, considered an apostate sect by the main group)
But, then again, as you know, I am often wrong.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Cameron Child
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
> the ranch is owned by the FLDS. Are you saying the Mormons are a
> fringe cult?
FLDS != Mormo
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let t
the ranch is owned by the FLDS. Are you saying the Mormons are a
fringe cult?
On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> So basically your talking the fringe cults, right?
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Zaphod
> Beeblebrox wrote:
>>
>> San Antonio's got a whole commune of
They may not yet be, but the culture they belong to may be. When does a
culture go from "theirs" to "ours"? I think when it bridges a generation of
native-born Americans. Definitely when it bridges two. And when it "infects"
another non-related culture with some ideas.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4
So your saying the family of this girl are now considered American
religion? Where's the line (which is a whole other conversation).
I just objected to the implication that incest, multiple wives, and
the sort was not so rare for American religious leaders. Mainstream
religious leaders. But your m
Many of those imported ARE now Americans, and are part and parcel of their
respective communities. Some for generations.
Look at the Catholic Church's leaders' handling of victims of sexual abuse.
Look at all of the "fundamentalist" Morman splinter groups.
Look at the imams of large cities, like
So basically your talking the fringe cults, right?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
>
> San Antonio's got a whole commune of 'em living outside the city
> limits on some huge ranch.
~|
Want to reach the
San Antonio's got a whole commune of 'em living outside the city
limits on some huge ranch.
On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> Lets discount the imported as he said America. Also, he said religious
> leaders. I really don't see a notable amount of religious leaders
> fitt
Lets discount the imported as he said America. Also, he said religious
leaders. I really don't see a notable amount of religious leaders
fitting his profile.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> There are whole cultures here in the US, some home grown and some imported,
> tha
There are whole cultures here in the US, some home grown and some imported,
that fall in this category. And they are large enough to be more than
footnotes, or classified as "one-off"s
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
>
> Excuse me while I fo
yup.
just happy she spoke up for us all!
word.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:07 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> I think at times we are all guilty of that dude. :D
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>>
>> yeah.
>> what she said.
>>
>> i retract previous statements. sorry.
>>
>> :) iv
I think at times we are all guilty of that dude. :D
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:01 PM, Ras Tafari wrote:
>
> yeah.
> what she said.
>
> i retract previous statements. sorry.
>
> :) ive learned to shutup first, then read, then listen, then give opinion.
>
> i apologize.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1
Wow..pretty much mailed how I feel as well.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> Wow. This woman nails most of my feelings on this.
>
> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
>
> What she said.
>
>
>
~|
Wan
yeah.
what she said.
i retract previous statements. sorry.
:) ive learned to shutup first, then read, then listen, then give opinion.
i apologize.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> Wow. This woman nails most of my feelings on this.
>
> http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-30
Excuse me while I fork the thread but where is anything you say here
the norm? Oh, you mean some nut job like David Koresh and his
messianic ilk? I seemed to have missed where any mainstream religious
leader fits your profile.
> And let us not forget that America has it's own form of this behavio
> Blaming the victim is a common practice here - how many
> times have you heard - if she didn't dress that way it
> wouldn't have happened to her etc.
Usually I don't see that thinking as "blaming" the victim so much as it is
trying to come up with yet another example of why "their" way of doing
Wow. This woman nails most of my feelings on this.
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-303137
What she said.
~|
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A
If I just got home from the airport, having gone through Logan, and find my
house had been broken into while I was gone, was tired, suffering from the
flu, and a cop appeared on my porch accusing me of breaking in to my own
house, I might not have handled it well.
Regardless of race.
I might say
To be clear, I don't mean threat as in a physical danger, I mean threat as
in "I am going to make your life more difficult"
"1-800-how is my driving"
"Let me talk to your manager"
"I play golf with your boss"
"You will be hearing from my attorney"
"Give me your name and badge number".
It puts th
>
> And, truthfully, I cannot necessarily fault Gates for being all irate. I
> probably would be too.
>
Why would you be irate? The police officer is trying to do his job. A
crime was reported, he was investigating.
I have asked this question like 4 times and no one has answered.
If it was your
I agree that simply asking for a police officer's name and badge
number do not constitute a threat, but I would say that a statement
like 'I will rain down hell on you' would constitute a threat.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Scott St
Right.
And my understanding is that the police officer disengaged at that point,
and left the house. He called in Harvard Police to take it over.
A good step. The right action.
At which point Mr Gates followed him onto the porch, and kept yelling.
(Not the right action, but maybe not actionabl
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Asking a cop for his badge number is about as threatening as it is
> racist for a cop to ask a minority for ID...especially when the police
> officer is investigating a reported crime. Oh, and I am sorry, saying
> you would 'rain down hell' on
I do see a difference in a family blaming and shunning an adult, and blaming
and shunning a child.
The first is wrong.
The second is wrong and more cruel.
In theory the adult is not as dependent on the parents and family as the
child is. The child is completely at the mercy of the others.
> O
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>
> Regardless of the job, when your customer starts threatening to go to your
> boss with a complaint, the relationship HAS to change.
>
> Do you disagree with that thought?
I agree the relationship has to change. In my experience that means
Too true! Yet they are fucktards that _live_ in a civilized society.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Yea, those people are fucktards too.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Larry Lyons
> wrote:
> >
> >>> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
> >>> MOST
Yea, those people are fucktards too.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
>
>>> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
>>> MOST civilized societies would not blame and shun
>>> the poor helpless girl.
>>
>>You have to remember where they're from. Most Americans would
>> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
>> MOST civilized societies would not blame and shun
>> the poor helpless girl.
>
>You have to remember where they're from. Most Americans wouldn't consider
>many places in Africa to be "civilized societies." Unfortunately, blaming
>the vict
Its been 100 years since the first crossing by aircraft of the English channel.
http://tinyurl.com/ks957x
Celebrating the Centennial of a Dream Flight
By NICOLA CLARK
Published: July 24, 2009
PARIS â Suspended from the vaulted arches of the church of
Saint-Martin-des-Champs, on the grounds
>I know that I watch and listen to him more than any of the rest,
>though. I figured it was because I was not a US Citizen that he
>appealed to me more.
>It seems that many US Citizens feel the same way! ;-)
Well, with only 4 choices, it's hardly an accurate poll. I would have been very
interes
There is no punishment too cruel nor too unusual for those boys or for
the parents of the girl.
Have I ever mentioned that I hate people?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32122954/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
>
> I'm thinking that we, as A
Maybe the key there is "civilized society".
I propose that any society that would shun her is _not_, in fact, civilized.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> That's not true. Just on a population basis you may be surprised that
> perhaps MOST families would not take her back.
> K
Well, then, they suck
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> That's not true. Just on a population basis you may be surprised that
> perhaps MOST families would not take her back.
> Keep in mind the relative populations of the Middle East, India,
> China, and Africa where these cult
> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
> MOST civilized societies would not blame and shun
> the poor helpless girl.
You have to remember where they're from. Most Americans wouldn't consider
many places in Africa to be "civilized societies." Unfortunately, blaming
the victim of s
That's not true. Just on a population basis you may be surprised that
perhaps MOST families would not take her back.
Keep in mind the relative populations of the Middle East, India,
China, and Africa where these cultural and religious beliefs prevail.
Our western society with its notions of Human
I agree with everything you said below, but I think one of the most
disturbing part of this story for readers is that the family of the GIRL
doesn't want her back.
That is so wrong, it defies belief.
Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but MOST civilized societies
would not blame and
yeah, I know, my wife told me about it this morning and I haven't
really been able to get it off my mind. At a time when that little
girl needs them the most, they frickin abandon her.
BASTARD!
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> Good God. That poor poor girl. What of the
It is very sad, but unfortunately it is a part of their male dominated culture.
Of course, they brought that culture with them to the States.
It is questionable that these children, and they ARE just children,
really understood what they were doing,
and all the repercussions and consequences for
It sickens me when I read stuff like that.
Really. It does.
Anyone believe we're only as strong as our weakest link??
That sound reassuring??
Yves Arsenault
"Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend".
--Martin Luther King, Jr.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Mic
Good God. That poor poor girl. What of the parents of the boys? How the hell
have they raised their children? Children raping children? This whole thing
is just disgusting and disturbing. I kind of wish you hadn't posted the
link. :(
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32122954/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
I'm thinking that we, as Americans, should decide we don't want the
family here anymore since they're bringing shame to us.
piece of shit parents.
And then the ferry man said,
"There is trouble ahead,
so you must pay me now,
Y
Note how the article doesn't even show the nudity in question. And, it's
abstract. Ugh.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:09 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
>
> http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Nude-statue-controversy-in-West-Delray-Beach/S2gSFHpaVkKTKFwRovOpIw.cspx
>
> "WEST DELRAY, FL -- Think of Michelangelo'
" Published Date: 24 July 2009
HOPES of a swift end to recession were shaken today after figures
showed a far worse than expected 0.8% decline in the economy between
April and June.
The UK's fifth successive quarter of recession was much deeper than
the 0.3% forecast, stunning experts and busines
I hate people.
Not you guys though...other people.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Nude-statue-controversy-in-West-Delray-Beach/S2gSFHpaVkKTKFwRovOpIw.cspx
>
> "WEST DELRAY, FL -- Think of Michelangelo's David, . . . down to the
> last detai
http://www.wptv.com/news/local/story/Nude-statue-controversy-in-West-Delray-Beach/S2gSFHpaVkKTKFwRovOpIw.cspx
"WEST DELRAY, FL -- Think of Michelangelo's David, . . . down to the
last detail.
The bronze statue parked outside Addison Plaza shopping center west of
Delray Beach is drawing the ire o
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 6:54 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
>> If in fact Gates was threatening the cop by asking for his badge number, and
>> promising to rain hell down on him, in front of other cops and witnesses,
>> the police officer's abil
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