Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 12:04 AM, Maureen wrote: > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001934/ Every day that I check into http://poleshift.ning.com/ Earth is falling apart in ways, they just don't report on it. Can't wait for 2016 when the worst scenario is the tea party. ~~~

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Dana
grumble, where's the like button on this thing... On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 9:04 PM, Maureen wrote: > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001934/ > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Sam wrote: > > > > > Now I do realize you're going to pull a Maureen and claim that your > > direct

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Maureen
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001934/ On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Sam wrote: > > Now I do realize you're going to pull a Maureen and claim that your > direct response to me wasn't meant for me. > > It is true it does not apply to me but I'm pretty sure you intended it > to

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Maureen
You have a cite for that - actual law, rule or executive order? Or is just your opinion of what they did? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Or, as Sam would say, 'I wonder what plants President Obama will shut down > because of the Volt'" > > Well, if Sam were to say t

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Maureen
Since he claims so loudly and often about what a good man he is, I thought he might obey that Commandment about not bearing false witness. The Bible speaks quite clearly about liars and his speech was rank with lies, even if they were given in the context of politics. I don't see any scriptural

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Maureen
Yeah, they will blame him for the plants that close, but be sure to deny him credit for the ones that stayed open. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > Or, as Sam would say, 'I wonder what plants President Obama will shut > down because of the Volt' > ~~~

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Maureen
Quoting a right-wing blog line for line including the typos is not research. And even the supposed debunking is wrong especially about the Janesville plant - here is the timeline. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/30/obama-could-not-have-saved-janesville-gm-plant-it-closed

RE: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...now you must slay Sam with words and your training will be complete... Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer ow...@threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Maureen
If the members of DNC were smart (not likely) they would carefully vet every single speech so that none contained misleading information or outright lies. It would be the most amazing contrast with what the RNC allowed this week. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > So c

RE: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Eric Roberts
It's an OD of that kool aide you were talking about earlier... Three Ravens Consulting Eric Roberts Owner/Developer ow...@threeravensconsulting.com tel: 630-486-5255 fax: 630-310-8531 http://www.threeravensconsulting.com -

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"[ http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/if-paul-ryan-fact-checkers-got-hold-of-historical-speeches/2012/08/30/e1dcfd94-f2bf-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html ] or http://tinyurl.com/8k8wdnh"; Not bad. Oh, and when I said half truths, I was specifically thinking about things that the r

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Judah McAuley
When I was a kid, we had some pretty excellent Republican leaders in Oregon, past and present. They weren't without their faults, mind you. Bob Packwood ended up being taken down by a sexual harassment charge. We had some principled leaders, however, in the 60s and 70s and even into the 80s. Thing

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
I have come to realize that if you do not agree with Sam 100% on everything, you are a 'leftie'. Given how far right he is...I think I am OK with that. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Scott, I'm afraid that Sam has chosen you as his new target since I've > filtered him

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S.

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
Not gonna try to weasel my way out of that by saying I was working, because I have been to a Richard Marx concert as a ticket holder. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Hell I got called there once for a fight at a Richard Marx concert." > > So, you admit going to a Richar

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Judah McAuley
Scott, I'm afraid that Sam has chosen you as his new target since I've filtered him. I tell you from experience, you really shouldn't bother. It's like wrestling a pig in a mud pit, no one is going to really win and only the pig really likes it. Though, I will admit, his phrase "Your transition t

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S._

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Hell I got called there once for a fight at a Richard Marx concert." So, you admit going to a Richard Marx concert. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go ou

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
In 2009 the US owned 61% of GM. Now they still own 26% . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > The US owns GM? > > What the hell have you been smoking? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://ww

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
The US owns GM? What the hell have you been smoking? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Sam wrote: > > The US owns GM and picked which dealerships to close. I imagine if > Obama said out of the three try to make this one work it would have > happened. > > . > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Sc

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
The US owns GM and picked which dealerships to close. I imagine if Obama said out of the three try to make this one work it would have happened. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > That makes the statement much different, but, in my opinion, no closer > to fact. Its not li

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
What label? It surely wasn't 'blind'. Now if you want to argue that I said you 'seriously lacked common sense'...that would be true, but only if you admit you blindly follow your political party or if you admit you believe EVERY word Ryan said last night. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Sam w

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
You used my words and threw them back with a label. It makes no sense that you wouldn't be referencing me since I was defending his statements. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:53 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > By "anyone who blindly follows either party", I was referring to a > very large group of pe

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
How do you know he didn't try to save it? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Sam wrote: > > He didn't try to save it. He only had to say "save that one because I > told them I would try". But he didn't, maybe because he no longer > needed those votes. > Almost the same as closing it himself. > > .

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S._

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:54 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Yea...that about sums it up. > > Funny, though, unlike other concerts, there was rarely violence. Hell > I got called there once for a fight at a Richard Marx concert. > Not that surprising. Weed mellows.

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
That makes the statement much different, but, in my opinion, no closer to fact. Its not like GM sought out approval from the president to close the plant. It is my understanding the President said he would try to prevent the plant form closing (honestly, I highly doubt he would have any say it it

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
He didn't try to save it. He only had to say "save that one because I told them I would try". But he didn't, maybe because he no longer needed those votes. Almost the same as closing it himself. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Sam wrot

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘O

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
Yea...that about sums it up. Funny, though, unlike other concerts, there was rarely violence. Hell I got called there once for a fight at a Richard Marx concert. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Sam wrote: > > Too many mushrooms and too much puke? > > . > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Scot

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘O

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
No, that was when Trey was still getting high. They needed extra paramedics just in case he collapsed on stage. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Sam wrote: > Too many mushrooms and too much puke? > > . > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > When I was still a paramedic

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
By "anyone who blindly follows either party", I was referring to a very large group of people - on both sides of the 'aisle' - who simply regurgitate what their party tells them without any thought. Trust me there are as many of them on left as their are on the right. I was not singling you out,

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Should have been "Allow to close" . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Larry Stroz wrote: > > I am not distorting your words...moron. This is what you said: > > "Now why would Obama choose to close the only plant he had actively > “suggested” he’d keep open?"

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occ

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Too many mushrooms and too much puke? . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > When I was still a paramedic, there was a open air amphitheater in our > coverage area. I hated working on the nights Phish was there. Some of > the busiest nights I had in my 14 year career. >

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
> common sense? Hehanyone who blindly follows either party or > beleives every word Ryan uttered last night is seriously lacking > common sense. Now I do realize you're going to pull a Maureen and claim that your direct response to me wasn't meant for me. It is true it does not apply to me b

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occup

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
When I was still a paramedic, there was a open air amphitheater in our coverage area. I hated working on the nights Phish was there. Some of the busiest nights I had in my 14 year career. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occup

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
Sharin' in the Weekapaug Groove.. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Sam wrote: > > > Phish still tours? > > That explains why there was a OWS movement in the first pla

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occupy_

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Sam wrote: > Phish still tours? > That explains why there was a OWS movement in the first place. > The Phish and Dave Matthews Band tours are a whole ecosystem that don't care about OWS one way or the other, they are not protesters by any means. ~

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:36 PM, Sam wrote: > > US government did have a choice. I'm not saying that plant would have > been the right choice, just that Obama went there and said he would > try to save it but didn't. Do you mean he didn't try to save it, or that he tried to save it but failed?

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
I am not distorting your words...moron. This is what you said: "Now why would Obama choose to close the only plant he had actively “suggested” he’d keep open?" Or, do you not read your own posts? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Sam wrote: > > Distorting my words now? > Your transition to the

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Sam wrote: > Really? You don't read your own po Yes, Sam, I do read my own posts. Obviously you don't or didn't read mine. Once again, show me exactly where I called you 'blind'. Scroll back, copy, paste, send - it should be easy, the thread is not that lone. G

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occupy ’_

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Phish still tours? That explains why there was a OWS movement in the first place. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:18 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Is that still going on? Now that Phish is back out on tour, i figured > all those people would have something else to do. > ~~~

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Sam wrote: > or > Or I just send you to Chatroulette instead next time. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseof

Re: Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occupy ’ Mo_

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
Is that still going on? Now that Phish is back out on tour, i figured all those people would have something else to do. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Sam wrote: > > > http://cnsnews.com/news/article/iran-s-supreme-leader-praises-us-occupy-movement > > The Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – the “su

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
[http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/post/if-paul-ryan-fact-checkers-got-hold-of-historical-speeches/2012/08/30/e1dcfd94-f2bf-11e1-adc6-87dfa8eff430_blog.html] or http://tinyurl.com/8k8wdnh On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:34 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > I listened to Ryan's speech. I though

Iran’s Supreme Leader Praises U.S. ‘Occupy’ Mo vem

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/iran-s-supreme-leader-praises-us-occupy-movement The Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – the “supreme leader” of Iran – praised America’s “Occupy Wall Street” movement on Thursday, calling it a reflection of people around the world who are “losing their patience” with the do

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Did you read my previous post? > This can be America’s future. I know that General Motors received some bad news yesterday ... - Barack Obama February 13, 2008 in Janesville, Wisconsin He went there knowing the plant was closing and said if they retooled they might survive. > This news is also

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Not unless they can't build 2013 Volts in 2012 plants..." I'd be more inclined to guess that they would not be producing any: "GM Curbs Volt Plant Production" : http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1872396390444327204577615821983505022.html "Chevy Volt Costing Taxpayers Up to $250K Per Vehic

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Or, as Sam would say, 'I wonder what plants President Obama will shut down because of the Volt'" Well, if Sam were to say that, he might have a point . . I seem to recall that the US bailed GM out and kind of "recommended" that GM follow the green course, profits be damned. J - Ninety per

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Sam wrote: > You missed the point, it's how you disagree. It's hostile and > childish, just like Larry. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/30/obama-could-not-have-saved-janesville-gm-plant-it-closed-before-he-took-office/ *June 3, 2008

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Distorting my words now? Your transition to the left is nearly complete. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: >> >> "The market dictated what they needed to do with that plant. People were >> not buying 10 to 13 mpg SUV'

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
US government did have a choice. I'm not saying that plant would have been the right choice, just that Obama went there and said he would try to save it but didn't. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Sam wrote

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Sam - you should know I disagree with Larry about as often as I > disagree with you. If you don't know that, well, then you have a > serious reading comprehension problem. You missed the point, it's how you disagree. It's hostile and child

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
I listened to Ryan's speech. I thought it was a good political speech. That means that it had a lot of sound bites, a lot of promises, and a lot of blame. I also figured it would be full of half-truths. It's what you get from politicians. The question is, did any of you, especially on the l

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > I wonder which plants will be shut down because of the Volt. > Not unless they can't build 2013 Volts in 2012 plants... The automaker sold 10,666 Volts in the first seven months of the year, up 272% from the same period in 2011. Its previo

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "The market dictated what they needed to do with that plant. People were > not buying 10 to 13 mpg SUV's and trucks, " > > I wonder which plants will be shut down because of the Volt. > Or, as Sam would say, 'I wonder what plants President

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"The market dictated what they needed to do with that plant. People were not buying 10 to 13 mpg SUV's and trucks, " I wonder which plants will be shut down because of the Volt. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are pe

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Romney still has his chance at the gold tonight." A chance to medal. You are forgetting Obama and Biden are going to speak at their convention. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light a

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Judah McAuley
Yeah, but the program was started under Bush! (heh) On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Obama is a communist, that's why he sent a rover to the "Red" planet. > > (scurries away smiling) > ~| Order the Adobe Col

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You sure that's not texas? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> MN at least has trees. And mosquitos > > > Sweet, go to see the trees and come home and die from west nile virus! > > >

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
LIke mars no rain. It looked really dry when I was driving out west of Minneapolis. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > MN at least has trees. And mosquitos > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: >> >> looks like my trip out to Minnesota a couple of

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Given your blindly hostile and personal attacks on everything and anyone you think you disagree with, I've given up on trying to have a rational or adult level conversation with you. There are some people not worth having such a conversation with, and you're one of them. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 1

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > MN at least has trees. And mosquitos Sweet, go to see the trees and come home and die from west nile virus! ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazo

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
Obama is a communist, that's why he sent a rover to the "Red" planet. (scurries away smiling) On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > MN at least has trees. And mosquitos > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > > > > looks like my trip out to Minnesota

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
MN at least has trees. And mosquitos On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > looks like my trip out to Minnesota a couple of weeks ago. > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: >> >> ...I think we can all agree this is awesome. >> >> http://bit.ly/PQluLy >> >

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Casey Dougall - Uber Website Solutions
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Sam wrote: > Here’s what GazetteXtra.com, a Janesville paper, reported on Feb 2, 2009: The market dictated what they needed to do with that plant. People were not buying 10 to 13 mpg SUV's and trucks, GM could most likely re-tool all 3 plants but only needed t

Re: Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
looks like my trip out to Minnesota a couple of weeks ago. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > ...I think we can all agree this is awesome. > > http://bit.ly/PQluLy > > -- > Scott Stroz > --- > You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can >

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
Sam - you should know I disagree with Larry about as often as I disagree with you. If you don't know that, well, then you have a serious reading comprehension problem. http://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/stories/2008/12/29/daily16.html The plant closed in Dec of 2008 and about 10% of the worker

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Here we go again. You've turned into Larry and are too childish to have a real discussion. . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Wow.how much of the Republican Kool-Aid have you consumed in your life? > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Sam wrote: >> >> Obamacare sig

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Fact: The plant was notified of it's closing in Feb 2008, way before Obama showed up saying it should "stay open" for a hundred more years. And it was on the list of factories to be saved by the bailout: Here’s what GazetteXtra.com, a Janesville paper, reported on Feb 2, 2009: Full-size sport u

Political ideologies aside....

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
...I think we can all agree this is awesome. http://bit.ly/PQluLy -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder what the f*&k happened. - Cpt. Phil Harris http://xkcd.com/386/ ~~

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
Wow.how much of the Republican Kool-Aid have you consumed in your life? On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Sam wrote: > > Obamacare signed March 2010 > S&P downgrade Aug 2011 > Because we can't pay our bills. > > Ryan's comment: > Obamacare, as much as anything else, explains why a presidency

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Obamacare signed March 2010 S&P downgrade Aug 2011 Because we can't pay our bills. Ryan's comment: Obamacare, as much as anything else, explains why a presidency that began with such anticipation now comes to such a disappointing close. It began with a financial crisis; it ends with a job crisis

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Dana
they actually said that they were not going to let fact-checking get in the way of their platform ;) I mean...there's really no answer to that. It's like that woman in Todd Akins' district who said it doesn't matter whether he has a grasp of basic biology because "I've moved on." On Thu, Aug 30,

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
1. You did not 'pick it apart' 2. You got one thing right, you did not do any research. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Sam wrote: > > I'm referring to the opinion piece by a community activist. It's > entirely flawed and I picked it apart without a need to research. > > There are legitimate

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Daniel Patrick Moynahan once said (and this sooo applies to sam) You are entitled to you own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am sure you have much better fact checkers than everyone else, Sam. > How else could your 'fac

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:00 PM, GMoney wrote: > Many of the people i've been reading are REPUBLICANS who admit that the > speech was not very honest. > Those were not 'real' republicans. -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watch things happen or you can wonder

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
Please, show me where I called you 'blind'? I would love to see you find that Here are some sources: Plant closed in Dec. 2008 - http://bit.ly/Ue5WSe About 100 workers (of the 1200) stayed longer to finish an order of trucks and close the plant - http://bit.ly/Ue63x5 Do you know what those

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
I'm referring to the opinion piece by a community activist. It's entirely flawed and I picked it apart without a need to research. There are legitimate folks that disagree for real reasons and that's worth real discussion. Here's a start: Fact-checking the factcheckers on Ryan’s speech http://ho

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
Yes, Moodys is definitely worried about our future potential to pay our debt.everyone is. But, if the quesiton is "why was the US rating threatened with a downgrade in 2012", the answer is "because of political wrangling over the raising of the debt ceiling. Of which Ryan was a key player. Th

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Moody's Investors Service Tuesday confirmed its Aaa rating of the United States, citing the decision to raise the debt limit, but assigned a negative outlook to the rating, pressuring lawmakers to create a long-term fiscal consolidation plan. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/201

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sam wrote: > > You use a political hack to attack Ryan who made a fantastic speech > and you call me blind? > I could link you to dozens of other people who have said the same about the speech. WOuld you like to do that, or would you call all of them political

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
You use a political hack to attack Ryan who made a fantastic speech and you call me blind? . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > common sense? Hehanyone who blindly follows either party or > beleives every word Ryan uttered last night is seriously lacking > common sense

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
Moody's was pretty clear: "The heightened polarization over the debt limit has increased the odds of a short-lived default," Moody's said. "If this situation remains unchanged in coming weeks, Moody's will place the rating under review. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: > > Since th

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
Since then, we have changed our view of the difficulties in bridging the gulf between the political parties over fiscal policy, which makes us pessimistic about the capacity of Congress and the Administration to be able to leverage their agreement this week into a broader fiscal consolidation plan

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
common sense? Hehanyone who blindly follows either party or beleives every word Ryan uttered last night is seriously lacking common sense. How about you source all of your 'facts' On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Sam wrote: > > It's called common sense. > > Which one of my corrections do y

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread GMoney
On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Sam wrote: > > It's called common sense. > > Which one of my corrections do you want me to source? > The rating downgrade. I specifically remember reading that the rating agency said the downgrade was tied 100% to the debate about raising the debt ceiling. ~~

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
It's called common sense. Which one of my corrections do you want me to source? . On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am sure you have much better fact checkers than everyone else, Sam. > How else could your 'facts' be so much different than everyone else's. > > On Thu,

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
I am sure you have much better fact checkers than everyone else, Sam. How else could your 'facts' be so much different than everyone else's. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Sam wrote: > > You sound angry. > Sally Kohn is a community organizer that wrote an opinion piece. And > not a very good

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Sam
You sound angry. Sally Kohn is a community organizer that wrote an opinion piece. And not a very good one. Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating ... That's ridiculous. Are rating was lowered because we can't pay back what we owe, not because we won't bor

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Fox News commentator yet. Who knew? I liked this paragraph Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned t

Re: How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread J.J. Merrick
But we can't let this campaign be dictated by fact-checkers That statement literally blew my head open... for ANYONE to say that just was WOW to me. On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > FoxNews called him on his bullshit - http://fxn.ws/PQ3lxw > > My favorite line: >

When will the middle class rise up?

2012-08-30 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Interesting take on some of the economics of current affairs. Not a left or right viewpoint (sorry Sam no rant here), but one that has me thinking a lot. http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2012/08/will-worlds-middle-classes-rise-up-in.html -- Larry C. Lyons web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons Link

How misleading was Paul Ryan's speech last night?

2012-08-30 Thread Scott Stroz
FoxNews called him on his bullshit - http://fxn.ws/PQ3lxw My favorite line: "The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flo