Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > I think his point is that if it's not happening to him, personally, in his > local VA hospital, then it is impossible that it's happening anywhere else > in the VA system to anyone else. > Whether or not this is Eric's viewpoint (and I

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 5:14 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > They have already stated that we would provide some air support if > needed...so this isn't very suprising. > I said curious, not surprising. Having been on CVN-73 when Hussein put his troops back on the b

RE: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
They have already stated that we would provide some air support if needed...so this isn't very suprising. -Original Message- From: C. Hatton Humphrey [mailto:chumph...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 3:56 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread C. Hatton Humphrey
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote: > Reading through comments from those who screamed for years about > Benghazi and are now slamming President Obama because he is sending > troops to protect the embassies in Iraq makes me wanna chew nails and > spit screws. > Funny you mention thi

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Sam
Then there's the folks that side with Obama no matter how foolish it seems. . On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Maureen wrote: > > My issue with both sides is that they are neck deep in confirmation > bias, and refuse to separate facts from spin when that spin agrees > with their stance. And th

speaking of the right wing

2014-06-17 Thread Sam
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Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Sam
h, maybe they're right and like maybe you aren't? . On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:34 PM, GMoney wrote: > > I dunno...in my experiences, in my little sphere (which happens to be very > conservative)...i think ignorance as a virtue IS more prevalent on the > right. Righties seem far more likely t

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Maureen
My issue with both sides is that they are neck deep in confirmation bias, and refuse to separate facts from spin when that spin agrees with their stance. And the all too frequent hypocrisy makes me gag. Reading through comments from those who screamed for years about Benghazi and are now slamming

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Scott Stroz
mmyopic douche-baggery... On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:34 PM, GMoney wrote: > > I dunno...in my experiences, in my little sphere (which happens to be very > conservative)...i think ignorance as a virtue IS more prevalent on the > right. Righties seem far more likely to be wrong, and j

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread GMoney
I dunno...in my experiences, in my little sphere (which happens to be very conservative)...i think ignorance as a virtue IS more prevalent on the right. Righties seem far more likely to be wrong, and just not give a shit. "God said so, that's good enough for me". OK. Lefties are much more likely

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Scott Stroz
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Maureen wrote: > > I don't find the right any more ignorant than the left. Both are > victims of system that teaches them what to think instead of how to > think. > > > ^^ This!!! -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you ca

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > You get a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions Cam? > Maybe I will come up with a jumping to conclusions mat and then make a billion dollars. -Cameron ... ~| Order the

RE: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
You get a lot of exercise jumping to conclusions Cam? -Original Message- From: Cameron Childress [mailto:camer...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 1:38 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States On T

RE: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
My point was that it is not every VA that is doing this...my comments had nothing to do with whether it was not an issue or not. CNN, when they can be ripped away from reporting on the missing airplane, is not much better than Fox these days. They do what their corporate masters tell them rather

RE: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
It was hard to get to the hospital...I live 60 miles away from the VAMC. Other than the distance, I do get real good care. All of my meds and supplies are shipped to me. I had a problem once in dealing with the post office and the pharmacy switched my shipments to UPS so they could track them an

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Cameron Childress
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 2:00 PM, Maureen wrote: > I find it baffling that you, as a veteran and user of the VA health > system can be so cavalier about what is happening. I think his point is that if it's not happening to him, personally, in his local VA hospital, then it is impossible that it'

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Maureen
I'm not sure why you keep talking about this being a Fox story. CNN.COM did the investigation and broke the story with an exclusive interview with Dr. Sam Foote. http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health/veterans-dying-health-care-delays/ This is a deep and horrible mess perpetrated by people guilty

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Sam
Didn't you used to complain how bad it was trying to get your diabetes meds and treatment? . On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Yes...there are local issues in some areas with that. It's not as > widespread as fox would have people believe. The VA does have issues, most

RE: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...there are local issues in some areas with that. It's not as widespread as fox would have people believe. The VA does have issues, most of it is there are too many people for the system to handle. Much like Benghazi and other issues the right likes to scream about, it's more smoke that actu

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Rick Faircloth
We're not discussing fault for the current system. The status of the VA is the issue. It's current state of dysfunction is the result of it being a "government-run" healthcare system. It's just the nature of a bureaucracy trying to run what should be a free-enterprise system. It's terribly ineff

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Sam
Dude, are you reading elementary school papers now? That's so cool that these kids are blogging now. . On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > presented comment > > http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-does-right-embrace-ignorance-virtue > ~~~

Re: Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Maureen
I don't find the right any more ignorant than the left. Both are victims of system that teaches them what to think instead of how to think. On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > presented comment > > http://www.alternet.org/belief/why-does-right-embrace-ignorance-virtue ~

Why Does the Right Embrace Ignorance as a Virtue?

2014-06-17 Thread Larry C. Lyons
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Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Maureen
Yeah, it is really convenient that all those politicians and pundits can point to the VA now as a bad example. Too bad they did nothing for years,even though they were aware of the problem, because they could find no way to use to their political advantage. Go look at all the bills introduced b

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread GMoney
My local news outlets, all of them, tell me about a secret waiting list for the VA here in KC. How are you going to dismiss that? They all lying too? On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I get my healthcare from the VA Rick and have bee

RE: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
I get my healthcare from the VA Rick and have been getting it there for over a decade...and get excellent care from them, despite what Fox news tells you to think Rick. Eric -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 9:52 AM To

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Rick Faircloth
Why don't we all "cut to the chase" and just join the VA! That government-run health care system is already up and functioning! On 6/17/2014 10:43 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > Yes...I agree that it didn't go far enough. We should have gone with a > single payer system that got rid of the insuranc

RE: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Eric Roberts
Yes...I agree that it didn't go far enough. We should have gone with a single payer system that got rid of the insurance industry and for profit hospitals completely. They are the primary source of our issues...but you are ignoring the effect that having everyone insured has. Look at how that r

Re: Obama's biggest frustration: inability to pass common sense gun laws in the United States

2014-06-17 Thread Maureen
That would be true, but ACA is not going to improve the system because it does not address what is broken about the system. It only forces participation by everyone. The problems are with the price gouging and corruption in the healthcare, insurance and pharmaceutical industries. The only parts