Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-19 Thread Dinner
On 6/18/07, Dana wrote: js is a problem? Then blackboard is going to be an issue, right? It depends on the kind of disability. This is the interweb, ya know? Disabled could be no JS, or no vision, or no mouse... slow connection speed, bad connectivity, no connectivity... Yeah...

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-19 Thread Dana Tierney
wait a minute .. slow connection speed is a problem (we hear from the people in Pecos all the time) but it's not a disbility ; On 6/18/07, Dana wrote: js is a problem? Then blackboard is going to be an issue, right? It depends on the kind of disability. This is the interweb, ya know?

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-19 Thread Dinner
Is it a handicap, then? ;-) On 6/19/07, Dana Tierney wrote: wait a minute .. slow connection speed is a problem (we hear from the people in Pecos all the time) but it's not a disbility ; ~| Create robust enterprise, web

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-19 Thread Dana
only if you're playing golf video On 6/19/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it a handicap, then? ;-) On 6/19/07, Dana Tierney wrote: wait a minute .. slow connection speed is a problem (we hear from the people in Pecos all the time) but it's not a disbility ;

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-18 Thread Dana
Frequent hourglass of death, mostly. Windows error messages with no text. Menu occasionally takes up the entire screen.This seems to be intermittent. We have not isolated a particular machine or user factor except that at least part of the problem over here is that the privacy settings are

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-18 Thread Dinner
So I decided to make even my intranet apps as accessible as possible, and not just because I like my keyboard. Besides the obvious no pictures, large font,high contrast settings for testing, what can I use? Is JAWS the most used disability-type browser? Lynx (ha)? Where is a good site for

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-18 Thread Dana
js is a problem? Then blackboard is going to be an issue, right? On 6/18/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I decided to make even my intranet apps as accessible as possible, and not just because I like my keyboard. Besides the obvious no pictures, large font,high contrast settings for

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-16 Thread Dinner
On 6/15/07, Sandra Clark wrote: Don't look on it as dumbing down. Think of it as the ability to degrade gracefully. I like the degrade graceful stuff as a um... edge case(?) vs. using it as a second means of communicating for someone that's forced to use X, which doesn't work with Y.

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-16 Thread Dinner
Ha! Yeah, there are all kinds of disabilities. Trying to cater to all of them in one layout seems sorta silly to me. And kinda cool, so... heh. To some extent. I really like the plain access, but I guess that can be handled via things like ACRONYM title=Real Simple SyndicationRSS/ACRONYM as

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-16 Thread Dinner
On 6/15/07, Dana Tierney wrote: how would you know if your site was accessible to a screen reader? Short of actually running it through? I always thought it was a matter of making sure that images had text descriptions and that essential information was not hidden in pictures There is a ton

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-16 Thread Dana
not me. I am lost in the land of video + blackboard at the moment. And IE7 still doesn not work. Also we will have to deal with an institution-wide template which I suspect is a problem. So for the moment I am a spectator but yes, I am very interested. We *will* need to explore all this. On

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-16 Thread Dinner
I said very. Heh. Vary, even. Yeah, we disabled the IE7 update at our place, cuz it doesn't work with some of our multi-million dollar SW. FWIW, you might take a quick swing through a standards compliance type parser... there's a sweet plugin for FireFox (who'd'a thunk'it?) which uses Tidy and

RE: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-16 Thread Nick McClure
What type of Blackboard problems are you having with IE7? It works fine for me. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 1:11 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-15 Thread Dinner
On 6/14/07, Sandra Clark wrote: I can tell you that in the accessibility and disability communities, text-only sites tend to be looked on as a put down. Most disabled users will not use them. They tend to not be updated as often, they aren't well tested, etc. Also text only in and of itself

RE: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-15 Thread Sandra Clark
Don't look on it as dumbing down. Think of it as the ability to degrade gracefully. Sure, you can have all the bells and whistles you want to give to your non-disabled clients, just make sure that your site works with a keyboard as well as a mouse. That a screen reader can read your updates

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-15 Thread Dana Tierney
how would you know if your site was accessible to a screen reader? Short of actually running it through? I always thought it was a matter of making sure that images had text descriptions and that essential information was not hidden in pictures So... what do people feel about separate but

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-15 Thread Dana Tierney
good point, because up here we have a sign language interpreter program and the big deal is getting the people who are using video to provide a transcript. Of course the sign language program also uses video, but they don't use sound and I guess we don't have to worry about anyone blind needing

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-14 Thread Dinner
So... what do people feel about separate but equal, as in, a text-only version of a site? I think one should strive for excellence in all areas, so I understand trying to make everything accessible, but I've always been under the impression that a text only version of a site would be easier for

RE: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-14 Thread Sandra Clark
I can tell you that in the accessibility and disability communities, text-only sites tend to be looked on as a put down. Most disabled users will not use them. They tend to not be updated as often, they aren't well tested, etc. Also text only in and of itself does not mean accessible. Lots of

Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Dinner
On 6/13/07, Nick McClure wrote: Nah, like was already said, #3 with 1.5% It isn't the #3 part that is important, it's the 1.5%. I guess you could say Speaking of only fractions of web traffic... Um, are your sites accessible? (--directed at anyone, not just Nick) Sandra, don't even

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Paul Ihrig
DOOD my site-- e looks slick as shit on my Playstation 3 on a 37 monitor... ftw.. On 6/13/07, Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/07, Nick McClure wrote: Nah, like was already said, #3 with 1.5% It isn't the #3 part that is important, it's the 1.5%. I guess you could

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Paul Ihrig
guess thats why you can use a %percentage% instead of a fixed width font size... ~| ColdFusion MX7 and Flex 2 Build sales marketing dashboard RIA’s for your business. Upgrade now

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Dinner
On 6/13/07, Paul Ihrig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: guess thats why you can use a %percentage% instead of a fixed width font size... Oh loard! I went and used em! Arr! This is going to be a messy search and replace... =-P Which site? The Latin one?

RE: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Nick McClure
All public facing sites are accessible; it is required by law as we are a public institution. However I don't deal with the public facing stuff, I deal with the internal applications where the requirements are a little more lax. However the application vendors know that it will be a requirement.

Re: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Dinner
Right-o. I like the internal stuff too... you shall use X browser, if I tell you to! I never do... one, I tried to require firefox for... sorta worked... Eh. Hey, what defines a public institution? (-- again, at anyone) I guess if it's an intranet, doesn't matter, but do you have to get money

RE: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Nick McClure
We are state and federally funded directly. The University of Kentucky is a public land grant institution. Most of our money comes from tax payers and grants. Basically if there is a government regulation it applies to us. If you are a private company there are certain rules you have to follow

RE: Accessible (Re: Safari on Windows XP and Vista - Never though I'd see the day.)

2007-06-13 Thread Nick McClure
We are state and federally funded directly. The University of Kentucky is a public land grant institution. Most of our money comes from tax payers and grants. Basically if there is a government regulation it applies to us. If you are a private company there are certain rules you have to follow