Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-09 Thread Dana
But Bush is *not* stirring up trouble in your view? On Dec 9, 2007 9:27 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Manipulating, not speculating. That is my issue with OPEC. As we have all > discussed previously, countries like Iran and Venezuela are stirring up > trouble in part to create fear

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-09 Thread Robert Munn
Manipulating, not speculating. That is my issue with OPEC. As we have all discussed previously, countries like Iran and Venezuela are stirring up trouble in part to create fear and doubt about the oil supply and thus keep prices high, which serves their economic interests. On Dec 9, 2007 5:50 AM,

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-09 Thread Dana
And Enron was not speculating? On Dec 8, 2007 8:26 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did we both read the same article? The title of the article is "OPEC not > losing sleep over high oil price". The article does not specifically suggest > that speculators are driving up the price, it qu

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Robert Munn
Did we both read the same article? The title of the article is "OPEC not losing sleep over high oil price". The article does not specifically suggest that speculators are driving up the price, it quotes the head of OPEC as saying that: "The market is controlled by speculators. They are considering

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Dana
right. There's nothing there about China or the evil minions of OPEC. The gist seems to be that it is speculation that is driving the price up. On Dec 8, 2007 11:31 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This article does not support your position that instability in the Middle > East is la

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Robert Munn
This article does not support your position that instability in the Middle East is largely responsible for the price of oil. The article suggests that financial markets are treating oil as a financial asset to be priced on all available factors, and that OPEC members are largely fine with the high

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Dana
t; > > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:28 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world > view. Again. > > yeah? I'm sure he will. I'd

RE: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Jeff Garza
why the prices are where they are at. -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 10:28 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again. yeah? I'm sure he will. I'

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Robert Munn
There is a far higher premium on the price of oil becuase of the growth of oil consumption in Asia in the last decade and the limits of refining capcity globally. Oil didn't go anywhere near this high during the first Gulf War, and that was during a period when Saddam invaded Kuwait and threatened

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Dana
. > > > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 9:37 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world > view. Again. > > versus the previous week yeah, it is.

RE: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Jeff Garza
cember 08, 2007 9:37 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again. versus the previous week yeah, it is. Do you seriously think it will continue to drop? Have you noticed that 2.73 a gallon is now "low"? I'd find it amusin

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Dana
. Is that Bush's fault as well? > > -Original Message- > From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:25 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world > view. Again. > > B

RE: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Jeff Garza
declining for the past couple of weeks or so? It's down nearly 10 percent... Is that Bush's fault as well? -Original Message- From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 08, 2007 7:25 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn'

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-08 Thread Dana
Bush's big stick serves the purpose of keeping oil prices high ;) On Dec 7, 2007 5:52 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Diplomacy is preferable to war, but there has to be a credible threat of > some sort of retaliation for diplomacy to work. Economic sanctions are the > best tool the

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-07 Thread Robert Munn
Diplomacy is preferable to war, but there has to be a credible threat of some sort of retaliation for diplomacy to work. Economic sanctions are the best tool the international community has against a country like Iran, but our ability to pressure Iran with sanctions is limited by the refusal of Rus

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
ecame nice in 2003. > > > On Dec 6, 2007 8:01 AM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:02 AM > > > To: CF-Community > >

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Sam
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RE: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 7:02 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his > world view. Again. > > Why do you hate freedom and our God giv

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Vivec
(0_0) On Dec 6, 2007 9:56 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > yeah, you need to stop worrying and love the bomb. ~| Create robust enterprise, web RIAs. Upgrade to ColdFusion 8 and integrate with Adobe Flex http://www.ado

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread G Money
uot; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:13 AM > Subject: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world > view. > Again. > > > > "Intelligence chief told president Iran might have stopped work

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Gruss Gott
> Todd wrote: > Why do you hate freedom and our God given right to bomb the crap out of > whoever we want, Gel? > Yeah, you know, the Bush Doctrine. ~| ColdFusion is delivering applications solutions at at top companies around t

Re: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Todd
Why do you hate freedom and our God given right to bomb the crap out of whoever we want, Gel? - Original Message - From: "Vivec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 6:13 AM Subject: Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that

Bush on Iran,ignoring intelligence that doesn't fit his world view. Again.

2007-12-06 Thread Vivec
"Intelligence chief told president Iran might have stopped work on nuclear weapons Adm. Mike McConnell told Bush more time needed to verify situation Government report released Tuesday says Iran stopped nuke work in 2003" http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/05/bush.iran/index.html At least this