Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
This sounds like it would fall under illegal search and seizure. The authorities have no probably cause to suspect a crime has been committed, so they shouldn't be snooping to begin with. You don't believe that a reason cannot be found to review the records? Do a google search for tax by the

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: This sounds like it would fall under illegal search and seizure. The authorities have no probably cause to suspect a crime has been committed, so they shouldn't be snooping to begin with. You don't believe that a

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
So you think the government could or would store the speed AND current location AND current location posted speed limits for every driver of every car in the entire country, then cross check this data and issue tickets??? All it would take is a vector of three parts. Location, time, and speed.

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I'll answer with a question: Would the government tap your phone, spy on you with drones, put a warrentless tracer on your car in your driveway, or track your internet usage and save the data for years? If they

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Dana
that appears to be the plan. Yes I am serious. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:22 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I'll answer with a question:  Would the government tap your phone, spy on you with drones, put a

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Dana
I don't know what to say to you. I am pretty much speechless myself. I did answer a couple of people on Facebook this morning who were saying pshaw, it will all be ok. Indeed, either the Senate or the president can still prevent this from becoming law. But will they? -- it's an election year. All

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread GMoney
okee dokee :) On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: that appears to be the plan. Yes I am serious. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:22 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: I'll answer

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Sam
Filtered on party registration like the IRS audits. . On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:10 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: So you think the government could or would store the speed AND current location AND current location posted speed limits for every driver of every car in the entire

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Dana
If you think that's funny you have not been paying attention ;) On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:59 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: okee dokee :) On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:50 AM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: that appears to be the plan. Yes I am serious. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:22

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Dana
hey, it gets *better* -- according to this http://securitywatch.pcmag.com/security/297113-house-poised-to-debate-cispa-where-are-we-now prevention of theft is also in there. D On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:51 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Protection of individuals, protection of

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
If they thought I was about to commit a terrorist act, yes. Which raises the question, how would the government come to the thought that you were going to commit a terrorist act. Wouldn't they have to be watching you? Gov does lots of things when they target someone they think is gonna be

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread GMoney
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote: Read this quote and tell me what you think about this: Due process and judicial process are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Jerry Barnes
Sounds like he's saying the Gov can deem you guilty using it's own idea of 'due process', over and above the courts. It means the government can drone your ass or black bag you anytime it wants to, Constitution be damned. At least according to Obama appointee Holder. Most of you know that the

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread LRS Scout
GMoney, have you ever heard of Total Information Awareness, or Echelon? Have you looked into any of the more recent laws I have gone on and on about? Here's a small list to spend some time with should you feel like seeing what seems to be a very real pattern to soldify the hold of the police

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Dana
right. Tracking everyone all of the time is why they need the capacity in that data center. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 9:59 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: GMoney, have you ever heard of Total Information Awareness, or Echelon? Have you looked into any of the more recent laws I have

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread GMoney
Not sure why you are questioning me about this. All i inquired about was the government sending us automated speeding tickets. That's it. No comment on CISPA or any of this other stuff. Just speeding tickets. I guess I should know better than to even hint that the government might not be up to

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Dana
since I'm the one that made the leap... yes, it seems a bit of a reach, you're right. But so is having the Department of Homeland Security tackle the question of counterfeit handbags. And that's where we are now, is my point. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:16 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread LRS Scout
Ok, seriously, does it matter if they are doing it out of malice or just the best of reasons? I know good people in government, they exist. But I knew far more that were lazy or inept, GS, at every level is and had been broken. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:16 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Tony
why's it gotta be black?! racist motherfuckers. On Friday, April 27, 2012, LRS Scout wrote: Ok, seriously, does it matter if they are doing it out of malice or just the best of reasons? I know good people in government, they exist. But I knew far more that were lazy or inept, GS, at

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Eric Roberts
LOL...they have it out for you Tony LOL On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Tony tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: why's it gotta be black?! racist motherfuckers. On Friday, April 27, 2012, LRS Scout wrote: Ok, seriously, does it matter if they are doing it out of malice or just the best of

RE: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-27 Thread Eric Roberts
Echelon and Carnivore... -Original Message- From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 11:59 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015 GMoney, have you ever heard of Total Information Awareness, or Echelon? Have

New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread Jerry Barnes
New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015 (CBS News) A recently passed bill will require all cars to come equipped with black boxes that record vehicle data. These Event Data Recorders (EDR), similar to their airplane counterparts, will record data such as speed, brake force

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread PT
Don't worry, State and Federal governments surely won't do anything with these boxes. I can't imagine cash strapped states pulling the box during inspection, cross checking speed with speed limit and gps data, and then writing tickets for any violations. This sounds like it would fall under

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
I'm sure they will find away around warrants. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM, PT cft...@gmail.com wrote: Don't worry, State and Federal governments surely won't do anything with these boxes. I can't imagine cash strapped states pulling the box during inspection, cross checking speed

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
An amendment to cispa allows information to be shared without a warrant if there is a risk of harm to any person. no I am not kidding. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:24 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure they will find away around warrants. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:04 PM, PT

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Makes me feel all warm and safe.. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote: An amendment to cispa allows information to be shared without a warrant if there is a risk of harm to any person. no I am not kidding. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:24 PM, LRS Scout

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread Dana
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote.shtml On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Makes me feel all warm and safe.. On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread PT
Bloody hell. They better slow down before they get a lot of attention. Are they behind on paying off their masters or something? On 4/26/2012 11:55 PM, Dana wrote: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120426/14505718671/insanity-cispa-just-got-way-worse-then-passed-rushed-vote.shtml

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
Protection of individuals, protection of children. Wow, simply amazing. 4th amendment, what 4th amendment? Didn't their used to be sub-committees whose jobs it was to check all bills for constitutional aplicability? WTF happened to those? On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:45 AM, PT cft...@gmail.com

Re: New law mandates black boxes in all cars by 2015

2012-04-26 Thread LRS Scout
their = there gah. On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:51 AM, LRS Scout lrssc...@gmail.com wrote: Protection of individuals, protection of children. Wow, simply amazing. 4th amendment, what 4th amendment? Didn't their used to be sub-committees whose jobs it was to check all bills for