http://www.cleanairnet.org/transport/1754/articles-69297_resource_1.pdf
It was in the article I posted.
On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ian wrote:
> > So the 2 year MIT study that talked about the entire life cycle cost
>
> Naw, but that's only because I have no fecking idea
> Ian wrote:
> Why does gas-electric hybrids preclude ethanol?
Good point. Why not toss in a 3rd engine that burns eagle feathers
and faberge eggs?
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> Ian wrote:
> So the 2 year MIT study that talked about the entire life cycle cost
Naw, but that's only because I have no fecking idea what you're
talking about and you have no link in your post.
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Why does gas-electric hybrids preclude ethanol? I would presume if|when
one can convert a gas engine to ethanol this would also apply to the gas
engine part of a hybrid.
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So the question remains, is the Prius more eco-friendly than, say, the
Chevy Aveo.
So the 2 year MIT study that talked about the entire life cycle cost of several
forms of transportation such as gas, diesel, gas-electric hybrid,
diesel-electric hybrid, all electric, fuel cell ect. which came to
> Rick wrote:
> I wonder, how much oil money actually supports terrorism and anti-americanism.
>
This gets to the hole I see in the article: maybe the dust-to-dust
cost of hybrid *today* is higher than for conventional designs, but
that only makes sense for a new technology. What's the
decade-ove
> WillBo wrote:
> Tell me Gruss, does the "cost" of developing the Hummer (H2 and H3)
> count the billions (BILLIONS!)
Yes, the "hummer vs. prius" is provokative, but it's only meant to
encourage discussion on what the true environmental impact of any
vehicle is. That the point, let's consider th
On 6/22/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And, of course, it totally misses the point: there is an
> environmental impact of not just driving a car, but of planning,
> building, and disposing of it. If you're truly concerned about the
> environment you'll take into account all of thos
> Which totally fails.
No it doesn't.
> Most ironic of all is that it criticizes the
> language while sounding like an emotional rant itself. The CNW report
> says right at the beginning that it's not being release as a
> scientific document, but rather a consumer document.
But it also tries to
> Dana wrote:
> here is a debunking:
>
Which totally fails. Most ironic of all is that it criticizes the
language while sounding like an emotional rant itself. The CNW report
says right at the beginning that it's not being release as a
scientific document, but rather a consumer document.
And, o
here is a debunking:
Friday, April 13, 2007
George Will promotes a denialist report
About this time last year some GM-funded cranks at an outfit called CNW
Marketing Research released this bogus report entitled Dust to Dust automotive
report(PDF) which alleges that a Prius is less efficient tha
Electra
Glide Standard (black of course). That is a sweet looking bike and will look
nice when I ride to Sturgis next year.
Bruce
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Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:11 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Prius Vs. Hummer: Hummer WINS!
No
it's an opinion piece in a student newspaper and it does not cite its sources.
On 6/21/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is old, but worth the read:
>
> Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
> By Chris Demorro
> Staff Writer
>
> The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car fo
> This is old, but worth the read:
A hummer is going to last 300,000 miles?
really?
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ick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:34 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Prius Vs. Hummer: Hummer WINS!
> >
> > There's an electric scooter / motorcycle out there that I saw in
> > popular science.. it has two front wheels fo
> -Original Message-
> From: Rick Root [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 8:34 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Prius Vs. Hummer: Hummer WINS!
>
> There's an electric scooter / motorcycle out there that I saw in
> popular science.
Countries which grow Sugarcane currently can actually ramp up and
provide this to the world at large for Ethanol production.
Hybrid cars can work, in my view and would have a net positive effect
on oil consumption and emissions.
They work quite well right now in Brazil.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2
I generally agree that hybrids are not the way to go, I'm just arguing
that a hummer is no better.
the problem is other solutions require dramatic changes and aren't
necessarily viable... hydrogen powered vehicles for example.
I think 100% electric cars would be better, but we american's drive
to
> Vivec wrote:
> The US is going after the whole alternative fuel thing ass backwards
> and will cause more problems than they solve.
>
Yeah - that's why I think hybrids are a dead end for cars, not that I
mind having the electric technology developed but Ford, GM, and others
can barely sell a sin
The US is going after the whole alternative fuel thing ass backwards
and will cause more problems than they solve.
Instead of using Sugarcane based ethanol they are using Corn based
which pushes up the price of food, removes food from the market and
drives up the prices of all the ancilliary indus
> Rick wrote:
> This whole section misses the point of environmentalism ENTIRELY.
> It's not about saving money, it's about protecting our future.
>
Right, and the article points out that there's an environmental cost
*total* to look at when deciding on a car; it's not just about the
gas mileage
On 6/21/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> When you pool together all the combined energy it takes to drive and
> build a Toyota Prius, the flagship car of energy fanatics, it takes
> almost 50 percent more energy than a Hummer - the Prius's arch
> nemesis.
>
> Through a study by CNW M
For what it's worth, the Toyota Prius can hardly be blamed for this.
The localized environmental damage was caused prior to the super
stack, and most of the additional environmental damage caused BY The
superstack to the surrounding areas occurred in the 70s and 80s, and
looks like the toxic emiss
I wonder if this is the plant in Sudbury, Ontario, that this article refers to.
http://www.google.com/maps?q=Sudbury,+ON,+Canada&ie=UTF8&ll=46.480162,-81.060219&spn=0.026183,0.05785&t=k&z=14&om=1
Rick
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> gg wrote:
> "The acid rain around Sudbury was so bad it destroyed all the plants
Wiki on the SuperStack:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstack
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This is old, but worth the read:
Prius Outdoes Hummer in Environmental Damage
By Chris Demorro
Staff Writer
The Toyota Prius has become the flagship car for those in our society
so environmentally conscious that they are willing to spend a premium
to show the world how much they care. Unf
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