OK, You got me on that one. I should have done a better job of
proofreading my knee-jerk responses. My apologies. I seriously do not
believe that this is or should be a Christian nation. I am not
backpedaling btw. I am apologizing for saying something I did not mean.
The Christian principals t
Bruce Sorge wrote:
> So basically I am agreeing with a lot of what you all are saying. What I
> am seeing happen is that words are being put in my mouth. Again, I never
> said that this was a Christian nation. I never said that I want this to
> be a Christian nation. I never said that the word
I don't believe that I ever said I want this to be a Christian nation. I
said that I wonder what happened to the Christian principals that this
country was founded on.
My simple point is if you are raised with and live by certain values and
principals, and those values and principals are based
You can believe what you want. However belief simply does not change the
historical facts. In other words opinions are not facts no matter what you may
wish.
The writings of the various signers of the constitution were very much against
injecting religion into the government. Madison went so fa
>No they did not. I just threw that in there.
How so - this is the discussion I'd like to have: regardless of their personal
beliefs how did the actions of the founding fathers create a "Christian Nation"?
I still maintain that they may have indeed been, as a body, very religious but
that they
>Arkansas:
>
>"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil
>departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any
>court."
>
>So if I were on holiday in your great nation and was the only witness to a
>murder, Arkansas would rather let the murdere
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t; From: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:21 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
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Get the answers you are
Arkansas:
"No person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil
departments of this State, nor be competent to testify as a witness in any
court."
So if I were on holiday in your great nation and was the only witness to a
murder, Arkansas would rather let the murderer go fre
: Jim Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 9:48 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:21 AM
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 12:21 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
>
> Simple as that. I have firm religious believes that I am not
us away, which is why I love living in America.
Bruce
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:21 PM
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Amen
;)
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From: "Jim Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:21 PM
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> This is false. I'm sorry.
>
> SOME of t
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 8:21 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
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> the fact of the matter is the founders of this country were r
::applauds:
> religions. We may not have always acted like it, but I do believe that
> America has tried to hold up that as a goal since its inception. I just
> wish it would remember it a bit more now and then.
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maryland is south of the mason-dixon line.
On 9/26/07, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a quick point, how many of those states are NOT in the south? Aside from
> Maryland (which for most intents and purposes is part of the south) not one.
> I think I see a trend here.
>
> >
> >Appa
> Also,
> What ever happened to to the fact that this great nation was founded
> as
> a Christian nation or the fact that the Constitution was founded on
> Christian principals? When did we lose sight of this?
>
> Bruce
That's bullshit pure and simple the US was not formed as a christian natio
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Oh, I don't know. It probably got lost behind the couch along with a lot
of other "facts" that aren't true. Cleaning is a bitch, easier to
> -Original Message-
> From: Bruce Sorge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 5:43 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
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> One state missing from this list is a Northern state, Connecti
> -Original Message-
> From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 6:18 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Electability and Religion (Yeah, More Atheist Stuff)
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> Just a quick point, how many of those states are NOT in th
> Amen! F--k atheists!
and from the bottom of my pointed little atheist heart, F--k you, right back.
:-)
I'm fucking tired of this... atheists aren't moral, atheists might not
be criminal, but are responsible for crime... it's bullshit, fuck
that.
Show me an immoral atheist and i will show you
Bruce Sorge wrote:
> Also,
> What ever happened to to the fact that this great nation was founded as
> a Christian nation or the fact that the Constitution was founded on
> Christian principals? When did we lose sight of this?
Oh, I don't know. It probably got lost behind the couch along with a
When did we lose sight of this?
Bruce
Maybe when wise souls decided it should not exclude Native American principals,
Jewish principals, Buddhist principals, Shinto principals and (good gracious)
Islamic principals, just to name a few.
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hit enter too soon..
So, to continue on with "What christian princples are those?"
Democracy? Predates christianity
Freedom? Not really
Equality? Not really a strong point in the bible
On 9/26/07, Zaphod Beeblebrox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What christian principles are those?
>
>
> On 9/
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/altdaily/mobile/nationworld/62766.php
*Religious tolerance takes hits*
USA TODAY
Most Americans believe that the Constitution establishes the U.S. as a
Christian nation, and a declining number of people say freedom to worship
applies to religious groups that most peopl
What christian principles are those?
On 9/26/07, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One state missing from this list is a Northern state, Connecticut.
>
> Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its
> colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States
> C
One state missing from this list is a Northern state, Connecticut.
Connecticut is still known as the "Constitution State" because its
colonial constitution was used as a model for the United States
Constitution. Its first words were: "For as much as *it has pleased the
almighty God *by the wise
>> JimmyD wrote:
>> But are they truly "unelectable"?
>>
>
>Yes.
Personally all things equal I'm more likely to trust an agnostic, who's honest
enough to say "I don't know" than fanatics of either ilk. Religion should not
be a litmus test, competence, honesty and integrity should be.
~~
Just a quick point, how many of those states are NOT in the south? Aside from
Maryland (which for most intents and purposes is part of the south) not one. I
think I see a trend here.
>
>Apparently many states don't agree. At least seven state constitutions have
>specific clauses which REQUIRE
> JimmyD wrote:
> But are they truly "unelectable"?
>
Yes.
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Excellent thread. I saw this the other day on Digg, had a lot of
thought provoking things on it, including this:
I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss you
Amen! F--k atheists!
On 9/26/07, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> With all of the recent talk about "electability" I decided to try and figure
> out what the highest office an admitted atheist has ever held. I actually
> couldn't find one (I found some talk about an "Atheist" congressman, b
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