>Not sure why you seem pissy, I wasn't faulting their methods.
>
>Do it right and half assed methods? I know they are decent infantry,
>and I know they are doing great work in Afghanistan. Hell we've based
>our Stryker brigade combat teams loosely on your medium wheeled units.
>Now when it com
Not sure why you seem pissy, I wasn't faulting their methods.
Do it right and half assed methods? I know they are decent infantry,
and I know they are doing great work in Afghanistan. Hell we've based
our Stryker brigade combat teams loosely on your medium wheeled units.
Now when it comes to
>Larry was in the Canadian military, they must do it pretty different.
Yes they do it right and don't use half-assed methods. The Canadian army may be
small but they're good.
I started off in the Canadian militia (equivalent to the national guard but
more professional). I then got into the Res
Larry was in the Canadian military, they must do it pretty different.
You can go from the street to war in about 4 months min, considering in
processing time, schooling, pcs move to your new unit, and deployment.
Now you have a limit of how many people you can push through in that 4
months. Sp
Friday funny:
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>>> Sam wrote:
>>> That's very telling
>>>
>>
>>Yes it is.
>
>yes its that smell of the cess pit that the true believers claim is rose
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On the left under News By Date
Pick a year, they're all in January except for 2001 which was Feb 27
>I went to whitehouse.gov to get quotes from the specific State of the
>Union addresses, but the ones before 2005 aren't there any more. Now
>why would they take his speeches of
you read 1984 right?
now chase off those double plus ungood thoughts ;)
Dana
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I went to whitehouse.gov to get quotes from the specific State of the
> Union addresses, but the ones before 2005 aren't there any more. Now
> why
Just like the emails, they ran out of space?
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I went to whitehouse.gov to get quotes from the specific State of the
> Union addresses, but the ones before 2005 aren't there any more. Now
> why would they take his speeches off th
I went to whitehouse.gov to get quotes from the specific State of the
Union addresses, but the ones before 2005 aren't there any more. Now
why would they take his speeches off the web site?
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:22 AM, sam morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Specifics please.
>
>>If I were pu
When I was in the Canadian military it was 6 weeks basic, then another 12 weeks
for the basic infantry course. Then to get the RCIC that took another 12 weeks.
Then you typically had another 6 to 12 weeks specialist training. But that was
done in conjunction with your regular duties.
In Cyprus
Specifics please.
>If I were pursuing legal action against him, I'd go after him for
>contempt of Congress, for lies and deceptions presented in the State
>of the Union address which violate the very heart of this clause and
>as such, should be an impeachable offence.
>
>Of course, Congress is jus
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > As for the rest of it, I have said all along that I thought the President
>> > went to
I'm not sure how it is now, but during the Vietnam war lots of guys
went from boot camp to battlefield in less than 6 months. My husband
was one of them. Reported to boot camp in March, shipped to Nam in
August. He had little or no combat training before going, working as
a company clerk for two
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 5:18 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>
> If you are a strict interpreter, he committed treason dozens of times,
> and congress/etc. with him. (*sniff* and us- we were there too.
> Fighting it or not. We're a team, you see... *sigh*)
The Constitution of the United Sta
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 2:45 PM, denstar wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > As for the rest of it, I have said all along that I thought the President
> > went to war to change the strategic situation in the Middle East by
> > introducing dem
>> Sam wrote:
>> That's very telling
>>
>
>Yes it is.
yes its that smell of the cess pit that the true believers claim is rose water.
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Only 6 months? I'd never let someone so wet behind the ears anywhere near point
in some of the patrols I led. Most of the soldiers in my company had at least a
year before they were patrolling the green line.
>Speaking of time, can you explain to me how we can take a wet behind
>the ears teenage
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Loathe wrote:
> umm, what laws were broken and who committed treason now?
Well, as with all things, only time will tell. We make up much of it
as we go, anyways.
But besides that "legal" stuff though: it is the Presidents *job* to
make decisions based off of infor
umm, what laws were broken and who committed treason now?
denstar wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> As for the rest of it, I have said all along that I thought the President
>> went to war to change the strategic situation in the Middle East
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As for the rest of it, I have said all along that I thought the President
> went to war to change the strategic situation in the Middle East by
> introducing democracy to Iraq. I thought they should have sold the war on
> gg wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> That's very telling
>>
>
> Yes it is.
>
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> That's very telling
>
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That's very telling
>(1.) I've watched at least 6 hours of interviews with the guy
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> Sam wrote:
> McClellen changed the story and wrote what Soros told him to and you ate it
> up. Dupe.
>
(1.) I've watched at least 6 hours of interviews with the guy - many
of them VERY tough questioning - and he not only repeats but expands
on the book's points. Therefore he clearly has "owned
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bull ...
>OR...
>
>Cheney's goons changed the story / evidence / justification etc... and Bush
>ate it up. Dupe.
>
>
>Regardless of history, evidence, and the truth, some still say Hitler was a
>good guy and the holocaust never happened, e
>Regardless of history, evidence, and the truth, some still say Hitler was a
>good guy and the holocaust never happened, everyone else was duped. Isn't
>that right Sam.
Its as I said, true believers will dive into a cess pit (aka sh*t hole) and
claim its rose water.
~~~
OR...
Cheney's goons changed the story / evidence / justification etc... and Bush
ate it up. Dupe.
Regardless of history, evidence, and the truth, some still say Hitler was a
good guy and the holocaust never happened, everyone else was duped. Isn't
that right Sam.
On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 3
McClellen changed the story and wrote what Soros told him to and you ate it up.
Dupe.
Daddy's liitle f'up is having a string of hits against the war on terror.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/frontline/2062440/Afghanistan%27s-Taliban-insurgents-%27on-brink-of-defeat%27.html
But since
> Sam wrote:
> Wow, you just don't know when you've been duped.
>
ah, ::cough::wmd::cough::, I guess you'd, ah, know about that.
Anywoo, I guess I'm not seeing the duplicity.
For 8 years I've thought W was daddy's little fuck-up since that's
what his life's accomplishments have always said about
> RoMunn wrote:
> All true about his book, which makes it even more pathetic for him.
> McClellan let himself be used by the political opponents
Good post, Robert. As for the last part above ^^^
1.) Why assume that he let himself be used? Maybe he just did it on
his own. He's unconditionally a
Wow, you just don't know when you've been duped.
Read the book proposal before Soros had it changed:
Scott McClellan Originally Planned to Attack Media, Defend Bush
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-sheffield/2008/06/02/scot-mcclellan-originally-wanted-attack-media-defend-bush
>There's no n
All true about his book, which makes it even more pathetic for him.
McClellan let himself be used by the political opponents of someone who
trusted him. Now, of course, those same people are trying to pressure him
into giving up the money he stands to make, as though he has any other
prospects at m
> RoMunn wrote:
> so that's what happened, the little hooker let soros stick in him for a few
> bucks.
There's no news in this book: Bush decided to invade Iraq before 9/11;
not news. Bush isn't intellectually curious; not news. Bush doesn't
listen to alternative ideas; not news. Bush surrounds
so that's what happened, the little hooker let soros stick in him for a few
bucks. now moveon.org is pressuring him to give the profits to charity. and
moveon is funded by ... soros! i guess mclellan didn't read the fine print
on his deal with the devil.
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Sam wrote:
I don't buy anything anyone associated with government says on either
side. I do my own research and make my own decisions. I didn't need
some former admin brown-noser to tell me what lying, scheming fools
Bush and Cheney are. I've known it for years. However, It is kinda
fun to watch the once a
> Sam wrote:
> So you buy this version? He was lying then but telling the truth now?
> Isn't that a left leaning view from someone in the center?
>
That's a great talking point, but, in the words of Chris Matthews, "so
the whore can't leave the whorehouse?"
~~~
Finally! You see the light!
- Original Message -
From: "Sam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community"
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Ex-Aide: Bush lied about Iraq
[...] No matt
It's not war weary, it's Bush Derangment Syndrom. No matter what
happens it's wrong.
> In short, they're war weary. Nothing wrong with it, but unfortunately
> the people that get the blame are those who chose to bring us in to
> the war instead of those who wanted to kill us.
>
> Hatton
So you buy this version? He was lying then but telling the truth now?
Isn't that a left leaning view from someone in the center?
What do you think about George Soros owning the publisher?
Soros Publisher 'Shaped' McClellan's Hit Job: Other publishers don't
recognize it as the same book
http://www
> cHat wrote:
> Another piece of truth and yet again it's denied or declined or
> ridiculed.
Dude - this "truth" is like the buddy who can only afford lose $200 at
the blackjack table. He takes another advance and is down $250 and
his your friends are urging him to quit. But then he wins a hand.
Time to create 1 infantryman is about 6 months. Figure you can run
about a battalion of guys through the course at a time. 1 Battalion of
light infantry is about 5-700 dudes depending on the set up of the unit.
Now figure our trying to stand up a single division, thats about
15,000 people, a
family values??? shame on yuo for helping them co-opt the phrase ;)
On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 2:34 AM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Family values and gay marriage are red herrings used specifically to
> distract the public from the real issues of the economy and foreign
> policy.
>
> And a g
Speaking of time, can you explain to me how we can take a wet behind
the ears teenager, send him to boot camp for 6 weeks, then off for a
couple of months of AIT, and he's bone fide US soldier, but somehow
it takes 3+ years to train an Iraq soldier?
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm truly baffled by
Family values and gay marriage are red herrings used specifically to
distract the public from the real issues of the economy and foreign
policy.
And a good scandal, like a former White House operative publishing a
book - that always makes for a nice distraction.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:39 AM, L
Isn't that the same speech McClellan gave when Richard Clarke
published his book?
McClellan was scum when he told the lies and he's still scum,
confessing for money. Guess he's taking a page from Robert McNamara's
book, but to me it's too little too late. Too bad there is no way to
hold the mini
>> e.g., "Boy, you really bushed that up" or "I really bushed up at the
> blackjack table and lost all my money"
>
> The terrorist might say your using it incorrectly.
>
> Here's a summary of what I've been saying:
> W VS. TERROR: SOMETHING'S WORKING
> http://www.nypost.com/seven/05302008/postopin
> e.g., "Boy, you really bushed that up" or "I really bushed up at the
blackjack table and lost all my money"
The terrorist might say your using it incorrectly.
Here's a summary of what I've been saying:
W VS. TERROR: SOMETHING'S WORKING
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05302008/postopinion/opedcolum
> cHat wrote:
> You can point to success after success after success
In general people who have no solid plan, make shit up along the way,
and fix problems they created are called "failures"
In the future, this will be defined as "Bushed".
e.g., "Boy, you really bushed that up" or "I really bus
> Too many Americans today have a 90 second memory and a media driven
> moral compass. Sad when you think about it.
Interesting that a "90 second memory" would be able to recall an event
of 5 years ago...
You'd think with a "90 second memory" that support for the war would be 100%.
--
will
"I
>>Which is certainly what Bush did. He used Iraq as ground zero for his
>>Napoleonic fantasy; which, just as with Napoleon, has failed.
>
> You call this a failure?
You can point to success after success after success and the truth
never makes it past the images of Bush on the Aircraft Carrier wi
>Which is certainly what Bush did. He used Iraq as ground zero for his
>Napoleonic fantasy; which, just as with Napoleon, has failed.
You call this a failure?
U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda
Group Is Facing Setbacks Globally, CIA Chief Says
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Fri
Because life was so good under Saddam Hussein?
You do realize as soon as the sanctions were lifted he likely would have
started another war, that's what he did. But hey, that's better than what they
have is what it sounds like your saying.
>To be fair, Bush didn't create Al Qaeda.but he cert
Remember, they had to exile Napoleon TWICE before they finally kept him
down..let's not make the same mistake with Bush. I say put him on the
next rocket ship slated to head to Mars. He can spend his golden years
searching Olympus Mons for Martian WMD's.
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Willia
> Why? It's beautiful there ... how about a dirty dusty wasteland like
> Crawford, Texas!
Not far enough away.
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
> WillBo wrote:
>> Which is certainly what Bush did. He used Iraq as ground zero for his
>> Napoleonic fantasy; which, just as with Napoleon, has failed.
>
> Can we exile Bush to Elba?
>
Why? It's beautiful there ... how about a dirty dusty wasteland like
Crawford, Texas!
~
> Which is certainly what Bush did. He used Iraq as ground zero for his
> Napoleonic fantasy; which, just as with Napoleon, has failed.
Can we exile Bush to Elba?
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it would just be true;
and that would just be unacceptable."
- Carrie Fisher
~
> gMoney wrote:
> is basically what we did. "Hey, let's go fight them over there..over
> where? Hell I don't know...how about Iraq?"
>
Which is certainly what Bush did. He used Iraq as ground zero for his
Napoleonic fantasy; which, just as with Napoleon, has failed.
Further the concept of "f
To be fair, Bush didn't create Al Qaeda.but he certainly brought them to
Iraq.
If I was an Iraqi citizen, I'd be royally pissed off that a superpower half
a world away decided to stage their phucking war in MY home countrywhich
is basically what we did. "Hey, let's go fight them over there
> tBone wrote:
> 1 city != northern Iraq.
>
Yup, that's why I said this:
>> so "last major stronghold" would be the key there
I wasn't making any other point here than that I didn't understand the
AQ situation in Iraq and was asking if anyone knew.
Especially since I heard the "stronghold" thing
According the the MSM it does. Heh.
Loathe wrote:
> 1 city != northern Iraq.
>
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1 city != northern Iraq.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> tBone wrote:
>> Also who was the source on this? Northern Iraq is mainly Kurd, and has
>> been the safest place in Iraq since the invasion. I know guys there
>> that don't wear body armor and only carry sidearms.
>>
>
> Here's what they were referen
What a difference two weeks make:
Iraqi city breathes again as shadow of Al-Qaeda lifted
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g7-MvS2qni5jzPaNg7N7S_vxeDBg
Iraqi defence ministry spokesman Major General Mohammed al-Askari said that the
continuing operations in the province had led to the detention
> tBone wrote:
> Also who was the source on this? Northern Iraq is mainly Kurd, and has
> been the safest place in Iraq since the invasion. I know guys there
> that don't wear body armor and only carry sidearms.
>
Here's what they were referencing:
"Many al Qaeda gunmen have regrouped in Nineve
I hear you. I met a couple kids (yes, they were kids, no older than
about 19 or 20) who were going in 18-X. I knew 18 was the SF CMF but I
was not aware that you can go from the street to SF school. I was
flabbergasted. No way a kid right off the street is going to make it
through, and even if
If we were talking Ar Ramadi I could see it, but the Kurds don't mess
around with those AQ cats.
Thats why a few SF teams and a single brigade (173rd Airborne) was able
to hold the entire section of the country.
I'm going to go call a buddy in 3rd group and try and get numbers on the
increase,
SOC Truths:
* Humans are more important than Hardware.
* Quality is better than Quantity.
* Special Operations Forces cannot be mass produced.
* Competent Special Operations Forces cannot be created after
emergencies occur.
Go read this:
http://www.soc.mil/sofinfo/primer.h
Careful Tim, you don't want to interject actual facts now do you? That
is just crazy talk. ;-)
Loathe wrote:
> We don't have thousands of SF teams. You can't mass produce special
> operations forces, it takes time.
>
> Also who was the source on this? Northern Iraq is mainly Kurd, and has
> b
> tBone wrote:
> We don't have thousands of SF teams. You can't mass produce special
> operations forces, it takes time.
>
zackly! And I bet we could mass produce them with the right benefits
and program. There's tons of hardcore dudes that would do this if the
money was better. Call it greedy
We don't have thousands of SF teams. You can't mass produce special
operations forces, it takes time.
Also who was the source on this? Northern Iraq is mainly Kurd, and has
been the safest place in Iraq since the invasion. I know guys there
that don't wear body armor and only carry sidearms.
> Larry wrote:
> Just as an aside and a cautionary about this site, www.strategypage.com
Kinda funny because I just heard on NPR this morning that northern
Iraq "is an Al Qaeda stronghold" that "is growing".
I guess I don't know what the real story is or isn't, but it still
seems to me that AQ is
Just as an aside and a cautionary about this site, www.strategypage.com. Steve
V. Cole is a game designer, most noted for the strategy game Star Fleet
Battles. Jim Dunnigan is noted for his dirty little secrets books on military
history. I stopped interacting with Cole years ago because of his e
>> Sam wrote:
>> The future is looking safer.
>>
>
>So we're agreed then - next step is to wrap things up in Iraq and
>stand down with victory firmly in grasp. Whew.
Not really, Afghanistan is really heating up - apparently Al Queda is shifting
materials and people there from Iraq.
~~~
He said the future is looking safer, he did not say we were finished.
When we are finished, *then* we stand down and declare victory.
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Sam wrote:
>> The future is looking safer.
>>
>>
>
> So we're agreed then - next step is to wrap things up in Iraq and
> stand down with
> Sam wrote:
> The future is looking safer.
>
So we're agreed then - next step is to wrap things up in Iraq and
stand down with victory firmly in grasp. Whew.
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Remember the 90's when we did nothing?
I feel this was necessary and thanks to those brave heroes Islamofascism is on
the decline. We broke them and changed the hearts an minds of the masses. The
future is looking safer.
>Heh.nice.
>
>This is kind of lik
me either. Denial that they were wrong is my best guess.
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:27 AM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Belief in WHAT, though, that's what baffles me? I meanwhat are they
> supporting at this point? Deceit for the sake of war? War for the sake
> ofrevenge? Bush for
Heh.nice.
This is kind of like setting a forest on fire, then declaring victory when
the fire is put out, even though 4000+ firefighters died putting it
outand it's debatable whether the fire is even out or not.
You can hang your hat on "partial" failure if it makes you feel
better...
Well, not a total failure:
Al Qaeda Discusses Losing Iraq
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htiw/articles/20080527.aspx
>He's spent his Presidency trying to impress his daddy and my 2 cents
>of psychology is that he's always perceived himself as a failure and
>his presidency was going to be his mag
I thought everyone on this list, especially you, hated Scott, didn't trust him
and knew he was a chronic liar. Now he's the good guy?
His mother ran for Governor of Texas against Bush's Lt. Gov. and lost. Maybe
he's still angry ;)
Anyway, Karl Rove brings up some interesting points:
http://hota
On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > gMoney wrote:
> > Just an awful president, and I don't come to that conclusion hastily.
> >
>
> In the immortal words of Dennis Greene, "the bears are who we thought
> they were."
>
Ah yeahworth another look:
http://y
riginal Message-
From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:52 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ex-Aide: Bush lied about Iraq
> gMoney wrote:
> Just an awful president, and I don't come to that conclusion hastily.
>
In the immortal words of Dennis
> gMoney wrote:
> Just an awful president, and I don't come to that conclusion hastily.
>
In the immortal words of Dennis Greene, "the bears are who we thought
they were."
The US elected their drinking buddy and got exactly what they selected
- a failed business man who's only success was when su
For most I suspect more than a little self-deception. Where issues like gay
marriage, and other so called family value issues are more important than the
economy and foreign policy.
>Belief in WHAT, though, that's what baffles me? I meanwhat are they
>supporting at this point? Deceit for the
Belief in WHAT, though, that's what baffles me? I meanwhat are they
supporting at this point? Deceit for the sake of war? War for the sake
ofrevenge? Bush for the sake of republicanism? I don't get it.
I mean, the only faux rallying cry that has even a modicum of sense anymore
is the "we b
A true believer would jump into a cess pit and claim that it was filled with
rose water. Don't expect much from them.
>That pretty much seals the deal. This is EXACTLY what I perceived Bush, and
>the Bush Administration, as being. He's an awful president, but not
>necessarily an awful person. He'
That pretty much seals the deal. This is EXACTLY what I perceived Bush, and
the Bush Administration, as being. He's an awful president, but not
necessarily an awful person. He's bright, but he makes the wrong decisions
because he's got the wrong motivations. He didn't outright lie about Iraq,
but h
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