http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Our_Righteousness_Church
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
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> So your saying the family of this girl are now considered American
> religion? Where's the line (which is a whole other conversation).
> I just ob
oh hell no wonder I was confused. You mean San Angelo not San Antonio
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> the ranch is owned by the FLDS. Are you saying the Mormons are a
> fringe cult?
>
>
> On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Michael Dinowitz
yea, no wonder she was hysterical. Poor thing, I hope she gets
counseling
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> yeah, I know, my wife told me about it this morning and I haven't
> really been able to get it off my mind. At a time when t
It happens in America to America female children too. I know this in a
very personal way.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 6:43 AM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32122954/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
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> I'm thinking that we, as Americans, should decide we don't want the
> famil
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
> interestingly enough, the http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/
> index.html site pretty much claims their mormonseven more mormon
> than the lds church.
>
> regardless though, even if they're not mormon, they're bigger than a
> cult a
-community
Subject: Re: This sickens me to no end
In keeping with the theme:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/25/saudi.sex.bragger.arrested/ind
ex.html?iref=mpstoryview
" A Saudi Arabian man was arrested after bragging about his sex life
on television, local media reported.
Mazen
In keeping with the theme:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/07/25/saudi.sex.bragger.arrested/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
" A Saudi Arabian man was arrested after bragging about his sex life
on television, local media reported.
Mazen Abdul Jawad appeared last week on a show on Lebanese cha
interestingly enough, the http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/
index.html site pretty much claims their mormonseven more mormon
than the lds church.
regardless though, even if they're not mormon, they're bigger than a
cult and that's what I was originally replying about.
On Jul 24, 200
well that would be a fundamental difference between us :)
On Jul 24, 2009, at 5:43 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> No, I just weigh the statement from the mormon's own website over
> wikipedia's entry (which also states that are no longer part of the
> Mormon church)
>
> On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:
No, I just weigh the statement from the mormon's own website over
wikipedia's entry (which also states that are no longer part of the
Mormon church)
On Jul 24, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
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> Did you miss that first part --- "is one of the largest Mormon
> fundamentalist deno
Did you miss that first part --- "is one of the largest Mormon
fundamentalist denominations"
On Jul 24, 2009, at 5:16 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
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> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebroxwrote:
>> founding members left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
>> (LDS Chur
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebroxwrote:
> founding members left The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
> (LDS Church). The split occurred largely because of the LDS Church's
> renunciation of polygamy and its decision to excommunicate
> practitioners of plural marriage.
*smirk*
I never said it was the norm, Michael.
I said that America has its own form of this behaviour.
But anyways..other list members have already explained what I said.
2009/7/24 Michael Dinowitz :
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> Lets discount the imported as he said America. Also, he said religious
> leaders. I really do
From wikipedia:
The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS
Church) is one of the largest Mormon fundamentalistdenominations[1][2]
and one of United States' largest practitioners of plural marriage.[3]
The FLDS Church emerged in the early twentieth century when its
I thought they _were_ Mormons, but not members of the LDS
(Like Koresh was a Christian or "Jews for Jesus" are Jews, basically a
self-identifying subset, considered an apostate sect by the main group)
But, then again, as you know, I am often wrong.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Cameron Child
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4:13 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
> the ranch is owned by the FLDS. Are you saying the Mormons are a
> fringe cult?
FLDS != Mormo
~|
Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let t
the ranch is owned by the FLDS. Are you saying the Mormons are a
fringe cult?
On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:16 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
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> So basically your talking the fringe cults, right?
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Zaphod
> Beeblebrox wrote:
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>> San Antonio's got a whole commune of
They may not yet be, but the culture they belong to may be. When does a
culture go from "theirs" to "ours"? I think when it bridges a generation of
native-born Americans. Definitely when it bridges two. And when it "infects"
another non-related culture with some ideas.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 4
So your saying the family of this girl are now considered American
religion? Where's the line (which is a whole other conversation).
I just objected to the implication that incest, multiple wives, and
the sort was not so rare for American religious leaders. Mainstream
religious leaders. But your m
Many of those imported ARE now Americans, and are part and parcel of their
respective communities. Some for generations.
Look at the Catholic Church's leaders' handling of victims of sexual abuse.
Look at all of the "fundamentalist" Morman splinter groups.
Look at the imams of large cities, like
So basically your talking the fringe cults, right?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
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> San Antonio's got a whole commune of 'em living outside the city
> limits on some huge ranch.
~|
Want to reach the
San Antonio's got a whole commune of 'em living outside the city
limits on some huge ranch.
On Jul 24, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
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> Lets discount the imported as he said America. Also, he said religious
> leaders. I really don't see a notable amount of religious leaders
> fitt
Lets discount the imported as he said America. Also, he said religious
leaders. I really don't see a notable amount of religious leaders
fitting his profile.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
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> There are whole cultures here in the US, some home grown and some imported,
> tha
There are whole cultures here in the US, some home grown and some imported,
that fall in this category. And they are large enough to be more than
footnotes, or classified as "one-off"s
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Michael Dinowitz <
mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote:
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> Excuse me while I fo
Excuse me while I fork the thread but where is anything you say here
the norm? Oh, you mean some nut job like David Koresh and his
messianic ilk? I seemed to have missed where any mainstream religious
leader fits your profile.
> And let us not forget that America has it's own form of this behavio
> Blaming the victim is a common practice here - how many
> times have you heard - if she didn't dress that way it
> wouldn't have happened to her etc.
Usually I don't see that thinking as "blaming" the victim so much as it is
trying to come up with yet another example of why "their" way of doing
I do see a difference in a family blaming and shunning an adult, and blaming
and shunning a child.
The first is wrong.
The second is wrong and more cruel.
In theory the adult is not as dependent on the parents and family as the
child is. The child is completely at the mercy of the others.
> O
Too true! Yet they are fucktards that _live_ in a civilized society.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Yea, those people are fucktards too.
>
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Larry Lyons
> wrote:
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> >>> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
> >>> MOST
Yea, those people are fucktards too.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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>>> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
>>> MOST civilized societies would not blame and shun
>>> the poor helpless girl.
>>
>>You have to remember where they're from. Most Americans would
>> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
>> MOST civilized societies would not blame and shun
>> the poor helpless girl.
>
>You have to remember where they're from. Most Americans wouldn't consider
>many places in Africa to be "civilized societies." Unfortunately, blaming
>the vict
There is no punishment too cruel nor too unusual for those boys or for
the parents of the girl.
Have I ever mentioned that I hate people?
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
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> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32122954/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/
>
> I'm thinking that we, as A
Maybe the key there is "civilized society".
I propose that any society that would shun her is _not_, in fact, civilized.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> That's not true. Just on a population basis you may be surprised that
> perhaps MOST families would not take her back.
> K
Well, then, they suck
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Vivec wrote:
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> That's not true. Just on a population basis you may be surprised that
> perhaps MOST families would not take her back.
> Keep in mind the relative populations of the Middle East, India,
> China, and Africa where these cult
> Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but
> MOST civilized societies would not blame and shun
> the poor helpless girl.
You have to remember where they're from. Most Americans wouldn't consider
many places in Africa to be "civilized societies." Unfortunately, blaming
the victim of s
That's not true. Just on a population basis you may be surprised that
perhaps MOST families would not take her back.
Keep in mind the relative populations of the Middle East, India,
China, and Africa where these cultural and religious beliefs prevail.
Our western society with its notions of Human
I agree with everything you said below, but I think one of the most
disturbing part of this story for readers is that the family of the GIRL
doesn't want her back.
That is so wrong, it defies belief.
Yes, many societies have problems with abusers, but MOST civilized societies
would not blame and
yeah, I know, my wife told me about it this morning and I haven't
really been able to get it off my mind. At a time when that little
girl needs them the most, they frickin abandon her.
BASTARD!
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
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> Good God. That poor poor girl. What of the
It is very sad, but unfortunately it is a part of their male dominated culture.
Of course, they brought that culture with them to the States.
It is questionable that these children, and they ARE just children,
really understood what they were doing,
and all the repercussions and consequences for
It sickens me when I read stuff like that.
Really. It does.
Anyone believe we're only as strong as our weakest link??
That sound reassuring??
Yves Arsenault
"Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend".
--Martin Luther King, Jr.
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Mic
Good God. That poor poor girl. What of the parents of the boys? How the hell
have they raised their children? Children raping children? This whole thing
is just disgusting and disturbing. I kind of wish you hadn't posted the
link. :(
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33
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