Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-12 Thread Erika L. Walker
CF-Comm Monkey Challenge!!! On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: A 1.3 mile rope monkey bridge - that would be a fun one On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Beth In Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be a hell of a tourist attraction too!! I'd go

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-12 Thread Dana
eh if you follow that logic though a lot of rural places out west would still be roadless wildernesses. There may be an argument against using federal funds, thought i am sure sure I'd agree with it. But state? Gimme a break. Personally I I am rather glad there's a road to Chaco Canyon, even if

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-12 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh if you follow that logic though a lot of rural places out west would still be roadless wildernesses. There may be an argument against using federal funds, thought i am sure sure I'd agree with it. But state? Gimme a break.

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
If you look at this on Google maps - *http://tinyurl.com/5ql7y5 Then it seems like a no-brainer to build a bridge... **Yeah, bridge to nowhere isn't quite a fair label looking at the map. **But is there something wrong with just keeping the ferry as transport or is it a convenience factor?

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
I think the real question is, who paid for the airport? And why was a decision made not to build a bridge when the airport was built? I mean, building an airport in a hard to reach place and then insisting that the federal govt build you a bridge to get to it,*is* a little fishy sounding.

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Vivec
I smell pork. 2008/9/11 Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think the real question is, who paid for the airport? And why was a decision made not to build a bridge when the airport was built? I mean, building an airport in a hard to reach place and then insisting that the federal govt

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and flat enough to build? Definitely pretty insane not to have added a bridge to the budget if they insisted on building on an island. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I think the

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Jerry Johnson
Just a guess, but I bet the same people paid for the airport that paid for the bridge. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Erika L. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and flat enough to build? Definitely pretty insane not to have

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Vivec
Now that's planning and management of funds for you isn't it. Just what you want to see in a commander in chief. 2008/9/11 Erika L. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and flat enough to build? Definitely pretty insane not to have

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's planning and management of funds for you isn't it. Just what you want to see in a commander in chief. AFAIK, neither Obama of McCain supported this bridge? Or do you mean Bush supported it? -Cameron

RE: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Jacob
, 2008 3:45 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere If you look at this on Google maps - *http://tinyurl.com/5ql7y5 Then it seems like a no-brainer to build a bridge... **Yeah, bridge to nowhere isn't quite a fair label looking at the map. **But is there something wrong with just

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
Which reminds me - I am very thankful that we have a country so big - with so many diverse weather zones, that we have a choice of what kind of weather or area we want to experience. Unlike, for example, the majority of Russia. shudders from the cold or Greenland. Kudos too you peeps who can live

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Sam
Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Vivec [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's planning and management of

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Gruss Gott
Erika wrote: Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and flat enough to build? It's really a question of investment vs. pork. For example, the tax payers of Atlanta might want to pay for a second airport because the first is overbooked and a second would bring

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. J'ACCUSE! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
**But is there something wrong with just keeping the ferry as transport or is it a convenience factor? Asking out of curiosity because I don't know how truly busy the place is... is a bridge warranted? If it is - why is everyone so opposed to it? People are opposed to it because there

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Sam
More details. http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2FiMjBlNWE0ZTJhNDBjZWExYzA2M2M5MWZkYmFlN2I= But Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens (presently under indictment on corruption charges) played hardball, ominously stating: I come to warn the Senate, if you want a wounded bull on the floor of the

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere I think the real question is, who paid for the airport? And why was a decision made not to build

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its the only safe place to build it. There are mountains all around. That may be why it was built in that location, but it doesn't answer the question of why an airport was built with no good way to get to it. Like

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
Ya know - I know a few people that would do this ... LOL On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Like building a 2 car garage on your roof because you don't have any other place to put it and then complaining that you can't get your cars into it.

RE: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Jacob
I have seen a house with a yard, grass, on the roof! -Original Message- From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere Ya know - I know a few people that would do this ... LOL On Thu

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Maureen
Site? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Sam
Here's another one: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/10/opinion/main4435937.shtml Obama and Biden had an excellent opportunity to do the right thing. Just seven weeks after Hurricane Katrina, Senator Tom Coburn (R., Okla.) proposed to transfer $125 million from the notorious Bridge's budget

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its the only safe

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, I assume the people in ketchikan needed to leave occasionally. Thats why it was built. I didn't ask why it was built. I asked why it was built without a bridge in it's plan. -Cameron

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
ROFLMAO NO! They cannot leave! If people choose to live in such a far off corner of the frozen tundra then that's their fault! No leaving for them! Walk! They will get somewhere eventually! Use a dog sled, a donke, an ox or a horse! But no planes for them! At least one year! No planes! In

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
Yeah hell, if they raised the ferry fee by a buck or two - the ferry could fund a bridge, of course I see it would put ferry operators in a bind ... so that's a catch 22 I'd rather take a ferry anyway. I'll always take the Cape May Ferry over driving through Washington, DC to get through the

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Dana
didn't we just say it was an air transportation hub? to me that says that there are probably people coming from pretty far away to take an airplane, and they would not really be tourists . For instance, they would probably not have a hotel stay. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Cameron Childress

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you know, I assume

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: didn't we just say it was an air transportation hub? to me that says that there are probably people coming from pretty far away to take an airplane, and they would not really be tourists . For instance, they would probably not

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cant' say for sure but I'll assume that it began as a tiny airstrip like most of our places. Some guy in a boat probably shuttled all four residents back and forth to the mainland. Things here grow organically

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: Erika L. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere ROFLMAO NO! They cannot leave! If people choose to live in such a far off corner

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
Ketchikan serves as both an air and marine transportation hub for southern Southeast Alaskahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Panhandle This is very true - all the tiny villages around dont'have air service to seattle or anchorage - you have to hire an air taxi or take a boat to ketchikan

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
- Original Message - From: Cameron Childress [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Erika L. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In other

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Beth Fleischer
Cameron, if you'd like to develop a business plan for funding the ketchikan bridge via tourist dollars I'm sure they'd love to have it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Canneries have tremendous seasonal draw - its probably partially tourism (but not a huge tourist area in terms of flying - the cruise ships stop there) but mostly probably cannery employees. 8000 is year round people.

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cameron, if you'd like to develop a business plan for funding the ketchikan bridge via tourist dollars I'm sure they'd love to have it. Heh... I just saw a stat that the airport only gets 200,000 passengers a year. I

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Maureen
We have lots of bridge here. It costs 4 or 5 dollars for each car to cross them going into the city. It's free to cross going out of the city. They aren't even close to be being self-supporting. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Erika L. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah hell, if they

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Dana
doesn't this fall under infrastructure? I.e, something taxes are *supposed* to do? I don't see why a bridge should have to be self-supporting. Sounds like a recipe for more interstate bridge collapses to me. On the other hand, this sounds like more of a regional issue to me, so it probably should

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread denstar
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Dana wrote: collapses to me. On the other hand, this sounds like more of a regional issue to me, so it probably should have been paid for with state not federal funds. But that might have reduced the size of the rebate that got sent out. Ah, the dilemmas.

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
Yeah - I went and looked it up after I posted that. Fascinating little place added it to a list of must see places. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Beth Fleischer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a fishing town!! they provide you salmon!

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Erika L. Walker
Yeah, but we were just thinking outside the box having some fun building a bridge with tourism dollars. Perhaps it could be a rope bridge for foot traffic instead ;) Now that would be a challenge! On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Dana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doesn't this fall under

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Cameron Childress
A 1.3 mile rope monkey bridge - that would be a fun one On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Beth In Alaska [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be a hell of a tourist attraction too!! I'd go there just to walk it! ~| Adobe®

Re: the bridge to nowhere

2008-09-11 Thread Robert Munn
I did one of the Alaska cruises a few years ago, but we didn't hit Ketchikan. We did Skagway, Sitka, and Juneau. Having seen the coastline and the sea during the most hospitable time of year (August) I can understand why people would want a bridge rather than a ferry. I'm not sure I'd want to be