Yeah, when I read the story, they basically said that the rest of the
world is not asking for more oil, and the demand from China and India
are already taxing their production capabilities.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356238,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/16/bush.saudi.arab
i have been reading speculation that the saudis can't actually increase
output, as one of their biggest fields is in decline. further speculation
suggests that the saudis are being very coy about it because they fear a
public admission that this field is in decline would lead to mass panic in
the f
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> increase until fuel started to rise. So how is this going to fix that?
Well Bush's plan there is to take the trip he's on to Saudi Arabia and
ask his ole Saudi oil buddies kick up production ... the problem is
The Saudis told Bush to fuck off. Essentially kicking him in
Well, I could talk specifically about our program for updating the outdated
data acceptance system for receiving and processing producer insurance data.
The USDA approved a major update and expansion of their current systems
because it was failing to meet the growing needs of the reinsurance proces
Can you elaborate on what these processes are?
>I don't think this bill has much affect on rising food prices at all...as
>you said, I think that is all fuel related. This bill funds processes that
>had essentially grinded to a halt because budgeted money had run out.
>Getting those processes movi
Um, if you are being paid not to produce anything, then how do you
factor into the equation? This is the question I have been trying to get
answered. The government is telling some farmers not to grow anything
because we have too much of whatever it is they were growing, and
getting paid for th
Well, in your scenario Bruce, now we have thousands fewer
producers.which results in how many millions fewer bushels of corn or
wheat or soybeans in the supply market? What's THAT going to do to prices?
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Right, but why p
I don't get how on one hand people are complaining that all the
farmers growing Corn for Ethanol are causing shortages or
supply/demand price problems - then on the other hand we are still
paying farmers NOT to farm?!?!? WTF?
I mean I honestly don't know what was in the Farm Bill, but if the US
G
Right, but why pay people to do nothing? If you are not making money
with your farm, do something else. I know it is probably not as easy as
it sounds, but seriously, looking back at the beginning of subsidies, it
was broke from the beginning. How about fixing what is broke rather then
throwing
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Saying that this
> bill is due to rising grocery prices is to me not entirely true.
Well, it's probably not true that this bill will help with the rising
prices, Bruce, but that doesn't mean that it's passing wasn't partly
I agree that prices were not stable until fuel started to rise, but the
recent spike in prices is related to rising fuel costs, as are the
prices for just about everything else since it cannot get from the
manufacturer to the consumer without being trucked in. Saying that this
bill is due to ri
So you agreed with George Bush's contention that this bill was too helpful
for the so called "rich farmers" ??
You are probably rightbut let me ask you...all of the necessary
processes and people (like me) who's funding had run out and couldn't
continue without a farm budget.what about the
I don't think this bill has much affect on rising food prices at all...as
you said, I think that is all fuel related. This bill funds processes that
had essentially grinded to a halt because budgeted money had run out.
Getting those processes moving again was the result of this bill that
concerned
Given how much pork is laden into the farm bill it probably was better for it
to be vetoed. Just look at the hundreds of millions going to agriculture
corporations, you'd be disgusted. Its a darned pity that congress did not
exercise fiscal restrain in this case. I have no problem with family fa
You sure you've been buying the groceries? ;) And have you actually been
keeping track of the actual amount you pay on regular items?
I regularly check the price of the items we buy all the time, and have kept
a book of prices from all the grocery stores in the area (Tightwad Gazette
style), and
Well, I know that for over 140 years the idea of farm subsidies was
brought up on occasion and was subsequently shot down, mainly because
Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution provides no role for the
federal government in regulating American farmers, and this worked well
until about the 193
> You are not answering the question. How does paying farmers not to work
> help the general public? How is this going to stem the rising cost of
> groceries?
Do you know why the Federal Government pays farmers to let fields go fallow?
The history I mean?
--
will
"If my life weren't funny, it
You are not answering the question. How does paying farmers not to work
help the general public? How is this going to stem the rising cost of
groceries?
G Money wrote:
> This bill funds necessary development across a broad spectrum of food
> producing organizations. This includes the ESSENTIAL b
This bill funds necessary development across a broad spectrum of food
producing organizations. This includes the ESSENTIAL business systems that
support agricultural producers and the insurance policies that protect their
business.
It also funds the continued work of the people who maintain and up
I don't see how this ties into the rising grocery costs. I have been
buying groceries for many years now and I did not notice any dramatic
increase until fuel started to rise. So how is this going to fix that?
This is also going to ensure that farmers are going to be paid *not* to
grow food for
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Bruce Sorge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So political posturing on both sides excites you? That's all this is
> about is making sure they are elected this year. Nothing else.
>
>
So what. IMO, they did the RIGHT THING. Sometimes, doing the right thing
can be to
So political posturing on both sides excites you? That's all this is
about is making sure they are elected this year. Nothing else.
G Money wrote:
> So finally rising food prices and political pressure has convinced enough
> Republican reps. to vote for the Farm Bill, with a veto-proof margin!
>
So finally rising food prices and political pressure has convinced enough
Republican reps. to vote for the Farm Bill, with a veto-proof margin!
http://tinyurl.com/5qyhym*
*This is the funding we've been waiting forwho's delay caused us to
drastically cut our work force and made things around
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