Re: New words for 2015

2015-01-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Figures it would be a show I don't watch. So I miss humblebrag but I learned wincest. Ug. I'm going to have to ask my mother-in-law for that Yiddish word as I can't think of it myself. Wincest - a term used mostly in fan fiction to denote the romantic coupling of brothers Sam and Dean Winchester

Re: New words for 2015

2015-01-06 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
The TV show NCIS LA has had a running joke about the humble brag for years. I _know_ there has to be a great Yiddish word for it, as it is such a common part of the human condition. (schadenfreude is by far my favorite German word, describing another common human emotion) On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at

New words for 2015

2015-01-06 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Before last week I've never heard the term humblebrag, which is why I took it a bit negatively. This showed me that there are a lot of terms that I'm not hearing that I should know the meaning of or at least know they exist. One example is BYOD, which came up in some tech news and I've never thoug

Re: Mapped: Common words plotted on the map, with the word in each language in each country

2013-11-06 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
+1 On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Real cool. > > > On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson >wrote: > > > > > > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/european-maps-showing-origins

Re: Mapped: Common words plotted on the map, with the word in each language in each country

2013-11-06 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Real cool. On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > > http://www.businessinsider.com/european-maps-showing-origins-of-common-words-2013-11 > > neat idea. > > > ~| Order the Ad

Mapped: Common words plotted on the map, with the word in each language in each country

2013-11-06 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
http://www.businessinsider.com/european-maps-showing-origins-of-common-words-2013-11 neat idea. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion

Re: Wise words....

2013-07-02 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
That sounds like a quote in a sci-fi book that struck a deep chord in me. "Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself." -- Lois McMaster Bujold , *A Civil Campaign

Re: Wise words....

2013-07-02 Thread Larry C. Lyons
+100 On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > This was in the signature of an email I received today. > > "Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your > character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what > others think you are." >

Wise words....

2013-07-02 Thread Scott Stroz
This was in the signature of an email I received today. "Be more concerned with your character than your reputation, because your character is what you really are, while your reputation is merely what others think you are." -- Scott Stroz --- You can make things happen, you can watc

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
wow...SouthParkStudios.com has all the south park episodes online. On Mar 15, 2010, at 12:08 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, William Bowen > wrote: > >> >>> Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. >> >> And the new season starts Wed

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:59 PM, William Bowen wrote: > > > Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. > > And the new season starts Wednesday !! > > -- > will > > Speaking of animation sitcoms, Anyone watching Archer on FX? http://www.hulu.com/archer ~~~

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread William Bowen
> Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. And the new season starts Wednesday !! -- will "If my life weren't funny, it would just be true; and that would just be unacceptable." - Carrie Fisher ~| W

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread G Money
Surprisingly, it hasn't lost muchstill hilarious and brilliant. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > South Park FTW! > > I've got to start watching that againit's been too long since I've seen > it and Matt & Trey are brilliant. > >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
South Park FTW! I've got to start watching that againit's been too long since I've seen it and Matt & Trey are brilliant. On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:20 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < > zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> and if you go to t

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Jerry Barnes
'I want to ban "person X said" when they are not quoting exactly what person X said. If they're paraphrasing someone, say so:' Definitely agree with this. It would actually be more like this: "an activist who took part in the incident at a pizza parlor was detained today says official" Sort of

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread G Money
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > and if you go to the nmbla.org site, you can find a bunch of examples of > how the media distorts the consensual relationships between men and young > boys. > > /sarcasm > > All I saw were a lot of Marlon

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
given the long boring talk I would imagine that the reporter probably was desperate for a beer halfway through the interview. On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Dana wrote: > > that's almost inevitable if you are filtering events through someone > else's perceptions. Was that long boring talk real

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Dana
that's almost inevitable if you are filtering events through someone else's perceptions. Was that long boring talk really boring, or was the reporter in a hurry to go drink a beer? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:06 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > It's another one of my spur of the moment quotes. > >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It's another one of my spur of the moment quotes. If the media lies and I'm the media, does that mean that my quote is a lie? If it's a lie, then... :) The problem is that there is no way to separate the 'type' of media I am from the type of media I mean, that being news reporting. Most news is

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
it's not a quote if you don't tell us who said it. Also, I know this is a low blow, but you *do* realize that you are the media, right? On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 12:22 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > "media is the lies we accept about what is happening" > > ~

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
"media is the lies we accept about what is happening" ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-commun

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
well, altered is... it should be accurate, but need not contain the exact exact words. It's pretty standard. I uses this once, for example, when I wasn't sure whether the person said a couple or a few. It didn't matter to the substance of the remark, but making it an indirect quo

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
27;d add to the list of words not to say on air is "X said" unless it is the actual, word for word quote. In my example, the government official called the subject a terrorist while other news outlets replaced the T word with one of the following: commander of the Palestinian faction Hamas,

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
if the official said exactly that then it should be in quotes. An indirect quote is usually used to summarize long boring segments or when the reporter is not entirely sure of the wording. terrorist is specific enough to always be in a direct quote and imho a serious enough thing to say about som

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I want to ban "person X said" when they are not quoting exactly what person X said. If they're paraphrasing someone, say so: "a terrorist who took part in the bombing of a pizza parlor was captured today says official" "an activist who took part in the bombing of a pizza parlor was captured today

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
"and if you go to the nmbla.org site, you can find a bunch of examples of how the media distorts the consensual relationships between men and young boys." I suppose so, but I'll never know. That you can be sure of. ~| Want to

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
I never said the site was non-partisan. They wear their partisanship on their sleeve, unlike the media. In reference to the double standard on party naming, their are plenty of articles on the site that give specific examples, mostly AP articles, of the practice, including links to the actual ar

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
and if you go to the nmbla.org site, you can find a bunch of examples of how the media distorts the consensual relationships between men and young boys. /sarcasm On Mar 14, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Check out http://newsbusters.org/. You can find dozens of examples withou

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Check out http://newsbusters.org/.  You can find dozens of examples without > trying real hard. Hmm, I just looked at the newsbusters.org site and in the first three postings they discuss "Chi-Com envy", "Liberal Fascism" and "Obamacare".

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
Check out http://newsbusters.org/. You can find dozens of examples without trying real hard. On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Dana wrote: > > I have not noticed this but I would agree, it should be consistent if it's > not > > > Also, I'd like a rule on political party affiliation. If you are

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Dana
I have not noticed this but I would agree, it should be consistent if it's not > Also, I'd like a rule on political party affiliation.  If you are going to > use it to describe a politician, use it for all politicians.  Seems that the > media is always happy to throw Republican behind somebody ca

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-14 Thread Jerry Barnes
He missed "unexpected". I am so tired of seeing the job and housing numbers come out, and the media saying they "unexpectedly" grew larger. Unexpected by whom? Also, I'd like a rule on political party affiliation. If you are going to use it to describe a politician, use it for all politicians.

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-13 Thread Jerry Johnson
ear Center Study on Local News http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPtEb19DPM&feature=player_embedded On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > >This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a > "must > >never use these words!&

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-13 Thread Casey Dougall
On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > >This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a > "must > >never use these words!" policy...that's kinda stupid. > > +1 > > It certainly seems like the CEO for a strug

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-13 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a "must >never use these words!" policy...that's kinda stupid. +1 It certainly seems like the CEO for a struggling enterprise could find a be

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Dana
list. > > Wish I could make my list of words and phrases to ban from news, > movies and television shows. > > Main Street vs Wall Street > He's just a little kid > She's only (some number) years old. > Connecting the dots > and especially Oh my God or OMG.  I hat

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Maureen
I agree with banning almost every on that list. Wish I could make my list of words and phrases to ban from news, movies and television shows. Main Street vs Wall Street He's just a little kid She's only (some number) years old. Connecting the dots and especially Oh my God or OMG. I

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Ah, me and my arrow. Loved that. Speaking of dogs with pointy heads: http://bobthewonderpoodle.com/images/TinfoilHatDoggy3.jpg On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Here you go: > > http://www.amazon.com/Point-Ringo-Starr/dp/B0001JXPSO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=12684

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Here you go: http://www.amazon.com/Point-Ringo-Starr/dp/B0001JXPSO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1268426573&sr=8-1 On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:29 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > That's a low blow. Funny, but low. :) > > And the point is indeed mute. When you find me a point that speaks, > I'll ch

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Michael Dinowitz
That's a low blow. Funny, but low. :) And the point is indeed mute. When you find me a point that speaks, I'll change my argument. > Judah, > > You forget the biggest craven phrase so far: > > "As reported by Fox News..." ~| Wa

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread morgan l
"but uhm..." (anybody catch How I Met Your Mother a few weeks back?) ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Dana
ly report the news if you can't use the word alleged? Guy's >>> been charged with murder but has not been convicted. He's an alleged >>> murderer. Do you want to just call him a murderer and ignore the >>> trial? >>> >>> >>> >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
gt;>> correctly report the news if you can't use the word alleged? Guy's >>> been charged with murder but has not been convicted. He's an alleged >>> murderer. Do you want to just call him a murderer and ignore the >>> trial? >>> >>> >

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > This topic has been burning hot across the news business this morning. > > I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? > > > http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Judah McAuley
rt the news if you can't use the word alleged? Guy's >> been charged with murder but has not been convicted. He's an alleged >> murderer. Do you want to just call him a murderer and ignore the >> trial? >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
10 at 9:38 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > > > This topic has been burning hot across the news business this morning. > > > > I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? > > > > > http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a-l

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread G Money
c has been burning hot across the news business this morning. > > > > I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? > > > > > http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a-loss-for-words/17374 > > ~~

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Judah McAuley
Mar 12, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > This topic has been burning hot across the news business this morning. > > I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? > > http://blogs.vocalo.org/fede

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread G Money
It is a good list...but it's also micro-managing and the idea of people actually keeping score and reporting uses of the words...seems kind of stupid. This is a good list of suggestions for any would-be anchorbut as a "must never use these words!" policy...that's kinda

Re: WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Cameron Childress
ing hot across the news business this morning. > > I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? > > http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a-loss-for-words/17374 ~| Want to

WGN CEO hands down list of words and phrases not to say on air

2010-03-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
This topic has been burning hot across the news business this morning. I actually agree with most of his list. What say you all? http://blogs.vocalo.org/feder/2010/03/memo-puts-wgn-news-staffers-at-a-loss-for-words/17374

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > So yeah, if we have to have a fault it is his. > Scott was probably being a bit flippant, but gasoline is not a good candidate for that because automotive fuel is a HUGE integral part of energy policy and that's a must have 10 years ago. For whatever reason that only Cheney and hi

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Dana
eh. He stopped the farce of a trial going on at Guantanamo so there are things that can be done in 24 hours. Which, by the way, was absolutely the right thing to do. He has to balance doing it right vs doing it fast and has apparently chosen doing it right. Hopefully he does. But it *is* his choic

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > ChuckG wrote: > > 'vagina'. > > Do you have a monologue you'd like to read? > I'm waiting for the movie. -- I have failed as much as I have succeeded. But I love my life. I love my wife. And I wish you my kind of success. ~~~

RE: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
Vagina. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:49 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Last words on Bush Why was this post different? On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > When > I realized it wasn

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Sam
Why was this post different? On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:36 PM, Charlie Griefer wrote: > When > I realized it wasn't (didn't make much sense in context), I stopped caring. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> ChuckG wrote: > 'vagina'. Do you have a monologue you'd like to read? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Charlie Griefer
I started reading Gruss' answer, and thought 'vagaries' was 'vagina'. When I realized it wasn't (didn't make much sense in context), I stopped caring. Not a reflection on the quality of the response. Just sayin' :) On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > SS wrote: > > I was jus

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> SS wrote: > A well thought out response. However, I would disagree its Obama's 'fault' > only 24 hours into his presidency. > Well it is, in that energy is a HUGE priority. Our top priorities, national and economic security, depend on it. Basically what Obama has decided to do nothing for the

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Scott Stroz
A well thought out response. However, I would disagree its Obama's 'fault' only 24 hours into his presidency. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:18 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > SS wrote: > > I was just wondering who, in Gruss' Laws of Responsibility, would be to > > blame. > > > > Well, if you want the ful

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> SS wrote: > I was just wondering who, in Gruss' Laws of Responsibility, would be to > blame. > Well, if you want the full answer ... Normally I'd say the vagaries of the normal fuel supply chain. However with oil there's the gov't manipulation that we know about such as taxes, refining capacit

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Scott Stroz
You assume there was a certain anwer that I wanted to hear, whic is false. I was just wondering who, in Gruss' Laws of Responsibility, would be to blame. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Scott wrote: > > Nice..at least you are consistent. > > > > Actually I was just provin

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > Nice..at least you are consistent. > Actually I was just proving to you that torture doesn't work. You see puerile questions are a form of torture and I was responding to your torture by giving you the answer that torture always results in: the one you want to hear. The real ans

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Scott Stroz
Nice..at least you are consistent. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 5:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Scott wrote: > > Gas went up $0.05 by me today. Jsut so I knwo who to be pissed at, whose > > fault is it? > > > > Obama's. > > ~| Adob

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > Gas went up $0.05 by me today. Jsut so I knwo who to be pissed at, whose > fault is it? > Obama's. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:/

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-21 Thread Scott Stroz
Gas went up $0.05 by me today. Jsut so I knwo who to be pissed at, whose fault is it? On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > That is not totally accurate. If your wife racks up huge credit card > bills > > to ruin your credit prior to divorce proceedings, you c

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > That is not totally accurate. If your wife racks up huge credit card bills > to ruin your credit prior to divorce proceedings, you can have your credit > separated from hers and you can be shielded from her misdeeds. > Maybe, maybe not, but then that'd be what you're suing for.

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Robert Munn
That is not totally accurate. If your wife racks up huge credit card bills to ruin your credit prior to divorce proceedings, you can have your credit separated from hers and you can be shielded from her misdeeds. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Gruss G wrote: > > Dino wrote: > > It's her call an

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > It's her call and I'll back her up. If I was available, we would probably > talk about it. And we keep each other in the loop. > For my wife and I, and according to the law, whatever decision she would make I am responsible for. Credit, for example. This is where you can see the

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
It's her call and I'll back her up. If I was available, we would probably talk about it. And we keep each other in the loop. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 4:11 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Dino wrote: > > joint decisions. We also make individual decisions. We take > responsibility > > for what we do both

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > joint decisions. We also make individual decisions. We take responsibility > for what we do both individually and as a couple. > I guess that's the point. We take responsibility. > So if you're unavailable and Judith makes a medical call with your child's doctor without consulting

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Well I am and my and I hold ourselves 100% responsible and accountable for > everything that happens. That way we each get a back-up and there's no > blame-game. Ourselves as individual responsibility? As in your actions are your own? My argu

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > You must not be married if you don't know that marriage is a partnership. > Leadership does not mean alone and does not mean all powerful. > Well I am and my and I hold ourselves 100% responsible and accountable for everything that happens. That way we each get a back-up and there

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Sam
Only place to go is down :) On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Well, the rest of America disagrees with you: > > Obama enters his presidency with higher poll numbers than any > president at any time in this country's history. In recent times, only > Bush 41 and Bush 43 had highe

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Sam
I see it as a stupid one. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Vivec wrote: > So you do not see that this election,and the choice that America made was a > historic one? > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important an

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Dino wrote: > > So your take is that we elect a fall guy rather than a manager. We > > definitely have a difference of opinion. > > > > You continue to confuse blame ("it's his fault") with responsibility. And you continue to assign respons

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > What we've seen of the Obamas is a very carefully packaged except of their > lives which blunts their bad points and exemplifies their good. That's > called packaging and its what celebrities are known for. Interesting you'd say that given there are multiple books of his life you c

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > So your take is that we elect a fall guy rather than a manager. We > definitely have a difference of opinion. > You continue to confuse blame ("it's his fault") with responsibility. E.g: * Is Bush responsible for Katrina? No. Is he responsible for the government's response? Y

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Scott Stroz
We had 2 choices, America chose one. Same way its been for a long, long time. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Vivec wrote: > So you do not see that this election,and the choice that America made was a > historic one? > > 2009/1/20 Scott Stroz > > > Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decid

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Dino wrote: > > He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new president. He's the first black > > president. > > He is, and if we must have celebrities in life I'm glad it's as good as > role models as Barak and Michele Obama. I'm not going into the

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new president. He's the first black > president. He is, and if we must have celebrities in life I'm glad it's as good as role models as Barak and Michele Obama. Government is a creation of Man and while you and I disagree on this, the State of our U

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Bruce Sorge
That's what I mean. I don't have a way with words like most do. - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" To: "cf-community" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:57 PM Subject: Re: Last words on Bush > He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new presi

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
He IS a shiny new thing. He's a new president. He's the first black president. He's a popular president (but not more popular than say Jonny Depp). He's just not a cornerstone of America shiny new thing. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:47 AM, Bruce Sorge wrote: > Wow, someone who sees past the 'shiny

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Bruce Sorge
Wow, someone who sees past the 'shiny new thing' factor. Well put Michal, well put. Bruce - Original Message - From: "Michael Dinowitz" To: "cf-community" Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 7:38 PM Subject: Re: Last words on Bush > Saying that America d

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
What happens when the buck stops before here? I'm not being facetious. Truman didn't pass the buck - the responsibility - for how the country was governed but not every buck got to his level nor did he control every buck. He just accepted responsibility. He was a better person than most. The buck

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Saying that America decided to believe in itself means that America didn't believe in itself before Obama and that has no truth to it at all. We might not like policies of the government, we might not like its direction in some things, but we believe in it. We support it. We don't want it to go awa

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Michael Dinowitz
I never said he was a good president. I'm just not happy with the whole "it's all his fault" mentality I'm seeing. He didn't personally trash the economy. He may have contributed and was the president on watch but it was started well before him and was continued in places outside his area of direct

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decided that it believed in itself > after all'. Well, the rest of America disagrees with you: Obama enters his presidency with higher poll numbers than any president at any time in this country's history. In recent times, only Bush 41 and Bu

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Vivec
So you do not see that this election,and the choice that America made was a historic one? 2009/1/20 Scott Stroz > Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decided that it believed in itself > after all'. All America did was choose one guy over another, somethign > that > happens every 4 years for

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Scott Stroz
Sorry, I don't see this that 'America decided that it believed in itself after all'. All America did was choose one guy over another, somethign that happens every 4 years for over 200 years. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Dana wrote: > Michael, > > Despite I deep respect for you personally,

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Dana
Michael, Despite I deep respect for you personally, you are totally wrong on this. I don't hate Bush and I don't think Gruss does. I think he was a bad president not because I don't like him but because he trampled the constitution, trashed the economy, and blew off the rest of the world. I am ama

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-20 Thread Maureen
"The Buck Stops Here" Harry Truman On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome. This is where no > single person or group has TOTAL accountability when they are not TOTALLY in > charge. As the article shows, it is imposs

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Erika L. Walker
I'm on my second glass of wine, terrible, horrible cold mixed with ibuprofren and cough drops (not conducive to the taste of wine to start with), and that still wasn't funny ... Ok. So it was mildly amusing. I'm glad it was spit through my nose funny. At this particular point, that would of been

RE: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
Ha, even sober that's pretty good. -Original Message- From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:charlie.grie...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 11:10 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Last words on Bush On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] wrote: > > So

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 7:27 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] wrote: > > So ya, there's my Sunday dinner with the all the family and too much vino > with the roast beef rant. Q: what's the difference between roast beef and pea soup? A: anyone can roast beef. if the vino's still in effect, that'

RE: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
As a new guy, and not overly informed, I doubt my 0.02 matters much. But since I have a keyboard in front of me, a glass of wine, and ten working digits I might as well state it anyway. I'm normally with Gruss with most things anti-bush, but I have to agree with Michael Dino a lot here. Firstly w

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Dino wrote: > > No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome. > > Leadership is accepting true accountability; probably much like you do > with the state of your family. You must not be married if you don't know that marriage i

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dino wrote: > No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome. Leadership is accepting true accountability; probably much like you do with the state of your family. I think you (and many) are confusing explanation-of-why with blame. Bush - and soon Obama - are fully accountable for

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Robert Munn
You offer no evidence, merely your continue whining about how it's all Bush's fault. If you can't come off it, I for one am filtering you out, because I'm tired of the broken record. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Gruss G wrote: > > > A responsible leader accepts responsibility for decisions.

Re: Last words on Bush

2009-01-18 Thread Michael Dinowitz
No, I'm suffering from TAS - true accountability syndrome. This is where no single person or group has TOTAL accountability when they are not TOTALLY in charge. As the article shows, it is impossible to assign total accountability to Bush for all the things you want to. Your argument that its all h

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