Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-24 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I can and often do, though you obviously don't seem to notice." I'll tell you as I tell my children, once you resort to bullying or name calling, you have lost. You have shown no faith in your position so you have moved to the irrational. It doesn't matter if you do it occasionally or all of t

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2011-05-24 Thread G Money
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Eric Roberts < ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > Well Jerry isn't allowed to think that unless Rush or Glenn tell him that > it > is ok. They told him that he must think that it is because it was the only > time she was proud of her country... > Jerry

RE: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Eric Roberts
PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Wow. This is worth a read "Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn't be possible in any other nation on Earth. What she meant is that she's really proud at this moment b

RE: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Eric Roberts
I say go back to the 1952 borders ;-) -Original Message- From: Gruss Gott [mailto:grussg...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 03:07 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Wow. This is worth a read Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "You think that Michelle Obama isn't prou

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2011-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I rarely call people names without also meting out pointed criticism of > their stances as well." > > But you can't do it without resorting to insults.  Such restraint and > control. I can and often do, though you obviously don't seem to

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2011-05-23 Thread Eric Roberts
You are surprised why? -Original Message- From: Judah McAuley [mailto:ju...@wiredotter.com] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2011 12:13 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Wow. This is worth a read On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Yesterday, with with no fear

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2011-05-23 Thread Sam
I loved the she clarifies by saying she only likes the country now because it has changed . On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Vivec wrote: > > “Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack > talk constantly about how their story wouldn’t be possible in any other > nati

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
“Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn’t be possible in any other nation on Earth. What she meant is that she’s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who’ve never

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I rarely call people names without also meting out pointed criticism of their stances as well." But you can't do it without resorting to insults. Such restraint and control. I understand though. I used to call people names too. Then I moved up from middle school to high school. J - Money

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2011-05-23 Thread Vivec
“Of course Michelle is proud of her country, which is why she and Barack talk constantly about how their story wouldn’t be possible in any other nation on Earth. What she meant is that she’s really proud at this moment because for the first time in a long time, thousands of Americans who’ve never

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Criticism of government is not just our right, it's our duty." > > Amen. That I can certainly agree with. Judah ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.

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2011-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I find the questioning of people's patriotism to be particularly odious." > > I find people who resort to name calling to be particularly odious and > guilty of covering inadequacies in response. And that is certainly your prerogative. I

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I am almost certain that was Michelle Obama meant when she made the statement." That's fine. I am almost certain she was telling the truth in an unguarded moment. "Criticism of government is not just our right, it's our duty." Amen. J - To announce that there must be no criticism of the p

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I find the questioning of people's patriotism to be particularly odious." I find people who resort to name calling to be particularly odious and guilty of covering inadequacies in response. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Polit

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Maureen
I love many things about this country. Often I am not happy with the actions of those in government, however. I am almost certain that was Michelle Obama meant when she made the statement. Too many times people in a jingoist fervor will use the quote "My country, right or wrong." without rememb

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Thankfully, there is still plenty of room for disagreement in our country > and that, most certainly, is one of the things I am most proud of." > > So proud of it that you resort to name calling when someone says something > you don't like

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2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I'm proud of my country all the time and always have been. " Sure. If you say so. "Some of the inhabitants with opinions such as yours, not so much. " No problem with that. "Thankfully, there is still plenty of room for disagreement in our country and that, most certainly, is one of the t

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2011-05-23 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Sounds reasonable to me, I'm only selectively proud of my country too." > > Unlike MIchelle and Judah, I bet you had more than one time that you were > proud of your country before you were in your forty's though. I'm proud of my country

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Sounds reasonable to me, I'm only selectively proud of my country too." Unlike MIchelle and Judah, I bet you had more than one time that you were proud of your country before you were in your forty's though. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Hen

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2011-05-23 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "You think that Michelle Obama isn't proud of her country?" > > Only selectively. > Sounds reasonable to me, I'm only selectively proud of my country too. Or really anything about me, but I'm trying to get the percentages up. :: sigh ::

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-23 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I was right with you til the last bit. Really? " Whatever. "You think that Michelle Obama isn't proud of her country?" Only selectively. "You're a fucking douchenozzle." I am sure you know all about douchenozzles. Probably have lots of experience with them. J - "For the first time in my

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-22 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 3:48 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Yesterday, with with no fear of the impending end of the world, Herman Cain > announced that he is indeed running for President. > > I already knew he had a BA in math as an undergrad.  I had read that he has > a MS from Purdue.  I assumed

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-22 Thread Jerry Barnes
Yesterday, with with no fear of the impending end of the world, Herman Cain announced that he is indeed running for President. I already knew he had a BA in math as an undergrad. I had read that he has a MS from Purdue. I assumed it was Math. Come to find out that it was Computer Science. Cai

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-21 Thread Gruss Gott
Sam wrote: > > Amazing. Thanks! But I can't take all the credit ... The problem with "numbers" and "facts" is that they never are because there's some many different lenses to interpret them by. That's why I don't like "facts". I've seen very few and experience has told me not to trust them.

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2011-05-21 Thread Sam
I thought you want to raise taxes and spend our way to a recovery. Isn't that the Keynesian way? As for corporate taxes, do you thing paying income taxes in other countries should no longer be allowed as an exemption? Wouldn't that be like paying the same tax for every State or Country you have a

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2011-05-21 Thread Sam
Amazing. In 2011 you hang Bush with a chart from 2004 with "projections" yet Obama hasn't spent a penny until years after his term ends. You can't lose by your rules. Reagan spend a fortune repairing the military after the long Vietnam War, Carters neglect and the investment in star wars that bro

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2011-05-20 Thread Gruss Gott
Gruss Gott wrote: > Gingrich's press agent released this after Newt's mouth ruined his > campaign 1 week into it: > Fantastic update: John Lithgow's dramatic reading of Newt's press release http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/colbert-lithgow-give-newt_n_864580.html ~~~

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2011-05-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Wow, I was totally sold until this Bachmann part." For what its worth, Rubio is the best choice. That is, if he were willing to be on the ticket. I say this putting all platforms aside and picking hims strictly for the state of Florida. Florida, along with Ohio, are the two pivot states now.

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2011-05-20 Thread Gruss Gott
Jerry Barnes wrote: > > Stage 1: > Cut taxes from 35% to 25%. > Abolish the Capital gains tax. > Make the cuts permanent. > Have a tax holiday for the over 1 trillion dollars offshore.  That is, > people holding money overseas can bring the money home during the window > with no penalties or taxe

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2011-05-20 Thread Gruss Gott
G Money wrote: > > I was too young when Reagan was aroundbut it's my understanding that he > spent a lot on defense, but not so much anywhere else. But I could be wrong. > It's all right here: http://www.independent.org/newsroom/news_detail.asp?newsID=31 Basically Republicans are equal to o

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2011-05-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I want to hear more from Herman Cain." I didn't mentioned that he is also one of those "racist" tea-partiers. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and

Re: Wow. This is worth a read

2011-05-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I want to hear more from Herman Cain." I have been following Cain for about a year. Before he quit his job as a talk show host, I would listen to him regularly (the wonders of AM radio bringing an Atlanta station into the to heart of NC). He is certainly the strongest underdog at the moment.

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2011-05-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
"I know that Bush spent a LOT more than I'd expect from a "fiscal conservative". Shit. Bush was no fiscal conservative. He was a compassionate conservative, that is a Democrat. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are p

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, G Money wrote: > > I was too young when Reagan was aroundbut it's my understanding that he > spent a lot on defense, but not so much anywhere else. But I could be wrong. He out spent USSR and broke them. We won the cold war. He cut taxes and that brought in m

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2011-05-20 Thread Judah McAuley
Reagan spent a lot, not just on defense. You can take a nice look at a contemporary account from 1988 from Mises (an Austrian School of Economics style group) with some great fact breakdowns: http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488 On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM, G Money wrote: > >

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2011-05-20 Thread G Money
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Sam wrote: > > The points are discussion worthy. I just think the Michael Mooreish > comments attached to each one is too comical to include with them. > > Do you really think Reagan spent more than Obama? > I know that Bush spent a LOT more than I'd expect fro

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
The points are discussion worthy. I just think the Michael Mooreish comments attached to each one is too comical to include with them. Do you really think Reagan spent more than Obama? . On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:30 AM, G Money wrote: > > I saw merit in all the points. Is there a reason you

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2011-05-20 Thread Gruss Gott
I'd be honored! G Money wrote: > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> >> The Republicans are in a bad spot because all of their normal talking >> points are in trouble: >> >> (1.) Small government. >> Regan and GWB were the largest spenders in recent history and the >> pub

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2011-05-20 Thread Maureen
Edwards is a person injury lawyer. You were expecting ethics? He only got as far as he did cause he was a charmer and got the vote of women who make decisions with a body part other than their brain. On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Sam wrote: > > Sounds like Edwards. > > . > > On Wed, May 18,

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2011-05-20 Thread G Money
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Sam wrote: > > But, shouldn't you start with facts or at least something close to > facts or do you, like GG, just like to throw out a huge lie and see > who catches it? > Those all look like opinions to me. I may not agree with all of them, but I think support

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
But, shouldn't you start with facts or at least something close to facts or do you, like GG, just like to throw out a huge lie and see who catches it? . On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 11:14 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> But it's all wrong... >> >> > I lik

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2011-05-20 Thread G Money
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Sam wrote: > > But it's all wrong... > > I like to discuss these things.discussions help root out facts, which help lead to conclusions that are the basis for informed opinions. It's called "independent thought". ~~

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
Sounds like Edwards. . On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Newt's not crazy.  He's just a power hungry scumbag.  He'll walk over > anyone to get what he wants - a wife with cancer, political cronies, > constituents > > That is why he has no chance of being elected. > > But you a

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
But it's all wrong... . On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:57 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> >> The Republicans are in a bad spot because all of their normal talking >> points are in trouble: >> >> (1.) Small government. >> Regan and GWB were the larges

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > The Republicans are in a bad spot because all of their normal talking > points are in trouble: > > (1.) Small government. > Regan and GWB were the largest spenders in recent history and the > public - even the tea partiers! - want Medicare a

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2011-05-20 Thread Sam
I want to hear more from Herman Cain. . On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:36 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Huckabee and Trump are gone.  Romney won't survive the primaries cause > the fundy's don't think Mormanism is a real religion.  Newt will get > the media attention until Tim Pawlenty or some other viabl

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2011-05-20 Thread G Money
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:23 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > The Republicans are in a bad spot because all of their normal talking > points are in trouble: > > (1.) Small government. > Regan and GWB were the largest spenders in recent history and the > public - even the tea partiers! - want Medicare

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2011-05-20 Thread Jerry Barnes
"Huckabee and Trump are gone. Romney won't survive the primaries cause the fundy's don't think Mormanism is a real religion" Yeah. I know Huckabee and Trump have withdrawn. I still just want them to go away along with Romney. "Romney will get the nomination and lose by a large margin" Obama

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2011-05-19 Thread Gruss Gott
Maureen wrote: > > Huckabee and Trump are gone.  Romney won't survive the primaries cause > the fundy's don't think Mormanism is a real religion. The Republicans are in a bad spot because all of their normal talking points are in trouble: (1.) Small government. Regan and GWB were the largest sp

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2011-05-19 Thread Maureen
Huckabee and Trump are gone. Romney won't survive the primaries cause the fundy's don't think Mormanism is a real religion. Newt will get the media attention until Tim Pawlenty or some other viable candidate makes a formal announcement. I'm voting for Jimmy McMillan. On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 1:

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2011-05-19 Thread Jerry Barnes
Go away Newt. Just go away. And please take Huckabee, Romney, and Trump with you. J - There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don’t know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president. - Kurt Vonnegut ~

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2011-05-19 Thread Robert Munn
And so falls another pretender to the Republican Heavyweight title. Tick tock, tick tock Republicans. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Gingrich's press agent released this after Newt's mouth ruined his > campaign 1 week into it: > > "The literati sent out their minions to

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2011-05-18 Thread Maureen
Newt's not crazy. He's just a power hungry scumbag. He'll walk over anyone to get what he wants - a wife with cancer, political cronies, constituents That is why he has no chance of being elected. But you are right about Georgia breeding some wack-a-doodles, with Cynthia McKinney being the wor

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2011-05-18 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > rotfl!  no shiz ... this guy is president of the wack-a-doodle club. Actually, there is alot about Newt I like. But overall it's a non starter. He is too blunt. We do tend to breed the wack-a-doodles here. Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney... At

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2011-05-18 Thread Maureen
"She turned me into a Newt. I got better." On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > His press agent wouldn't happen to be that crazy Iraqi press guy from > the beginning of the Iraq war, would he? > > The argument sounds familiar. > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Gruss

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2011-05-18 Thread Gruss Gott
Cameron Childress wrote: > > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: >> His press agent wouldn't happen to be that crazy Iraqi press guy from >> the beginning of the Iraq war, would he? > > Sounds like Charlie Sheen found a new gig rotfl! no shiz ... this guy is president o

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2011-05-18 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > His press agent wouldn't happen to be that crazy Iraqi press guy from > the beginning of the Iraq war, would he? Sounds like Charlie Sheen found a new gig ... ~| Ord

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2011-05-18 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
His press agent wouldn't happen to be that crazy Iraqi press guy from the beginning of the Iraq war, would he? The argument sounds familiar. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > Gingrich's press agent released this after Newt's mouth ruined his > campaign 1 week into it: > > "

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2011-05-18 Thread Gruss Gott
Gingrich's press agent released this after Newt's mouth ruined his campaign 1 week into it: "The literati sent out their minions to do their bidding. Washington cannot tolerate threats from outsiders who might disrupt their comfortable world. The firefight started when the cowardly sensed weakne