The last Republican Congress thought so when they passed the last FDA
reform. That's why the FDA was mandated to include cost in the
consideration.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> The maker states 50% success.
>
> The FDA is considering cost. Should they?
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 20
Sample manipulation on the part of the drug company (actually quite common)?
Random variation - a lot of research shows that this accounts for most
intra study variation.
Subject Characteristics - what was different about the sample - i.e.,
were the people in the 10th study more or less sick tha
3:18 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: and so it begins
Reminds me of this food additive in potato chips that they warned ages
ago may cause 'anal leakage'
lol!
On 16 August 2010 15:11, Sisk, Kris wrote:
>
> Possible side effects may include nausea, vomiting, nose bleed,
ge-
> From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:30 PM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: and so it begins
>
> What's the success? I'm assuming it doesn't cure the cancer, right? So
> are
> we talking a few more weeks, mont
ilto:gm0n3...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:30 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: and so it begins
What's the success? I'm assuming it doesn't cure the cancer, right? So
are
we talking a few more weeks, monthsyears?
Again, this is why they are WEIGHING the benefits
That's the core of the issue. Doctors know the first rule of medicine
- do no harm to the patient - but drug companies long ago caved into
the pressure to produce consistent quarterly earnings. "Do no harm"
became "do no harm to the shareholders".
A few years ago, my mother developed a condition
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Sam wrote:
> Thanks for your honesty.
>
> Now, what about teh cost of that aid cocktail? I'm sure it's less than
> $8k a month now. But years ago...
SHIT more speed typing material for little Michael
> Now, what about THE cost of that aid cocktail? I'm sure it's
Thanks for your honesty.
Now, what about teh cost of that aid cocktail? I'm sure it's less than
$8k a month now. But years ago...
How about other kemo treatments?
Pacemakers
cat scans
insulin
...
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 3:29 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Sam wrote:
Money isn't a factor. It is about efficacy versus side effects. Should
the FDA approve a drug which is just as likely, or more likely, to
cause you harm than it is to help you?
Judah
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 12:29 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Sam wrote:
>
>>
>> The ma
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> The maker states 50% success.
>
> The FDA is considering cost. Should they?
>
What's the success? I'm assuming it doesn't cure the cancer, right? So are
we talking a few more weeks, monthsyears?
Again, this is why they are WEIGHING the benefi
The maker states 50% success.
The FDA is considering cost. Should they?
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:59 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> is it a last hope drug that ever works? If so, keep trying it...if not, I
> can see why they'd want to discontinue it.
>
Reminds me of this food additive in potato chips that they warned ages
ago may cause 'anal leakage'
lol!
On 16 August 2010 15:11, Sisk, Kris wrote:
>
> Possible side effects may include nausea, vomiting, nose bleed, anal
> discharge, zombie apocalypse, loss of hearing, weight gain, and death.
>
. Also I'd be curious how much this $8000 a
month drug would cost in Mexico. It seems to me that most medical drugs
cost way more than they should here.
-Original Message-
From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 2:05 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: and
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:42 AM, G Money wrote:
>
> I don't necessarily have a problem with that...let the companies spend the
> time and money to do the research, and then let the FDA ensure that
> everything is on the up and up.
Personally, I think that all data related to a clinical trial sh
Then it REALLY must be useless if this statement is accurate:
"new studies indicate that the benefits of the drug, which costs $8,000 a
month, do not outweigh its risk"
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> You do know that this is a last hope drug? The risk is dying on schedule.
>
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:52 PM, Sam wrote:
>
> You do know that this is a last hope drug? The risk is dying on schedule.
>
is it a last hope drug that ever works? If so, keep trying it...if not, I
can see why they'd want to discontinue it.
--
No matter how close to yours another's steps have
You do know that this is a last hope drug? The risk is dying on schedule.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:31 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> "Contrary to initial research, new studies indicate that the benefits of the
> drug, which costs $8,000 a month, do not outweigh its risks, the advisory
> panel conclude
I do not mean this sarcastically at all, but this is where Larry's
expertise would come in handy, because I had the same thought.
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 2:42 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
>>
>> As an aside about drug research, pharmaceutical com
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Judah McAuley wrote:
>
> As an aside about drug research, pharmaceutical companies only have to
> publish and submit the reports they want regarding a drug. A pharma
> company can do 10 studies on a drug, 9 of which show no positive
> difference and 1 that does a
As an aside about drug research, pharmaceutical companies only have to
publish and submit the reports they want regarding a drug. A pharma
company can do 10 studies on a drug, 9 of which show no positive
difference and 1 that does and then simply submit the 1 study that
does show a positive differ
"Contrary to initial research, new studies indicate that the benefits of the
drug, which costs $8,000 a month, do not outweigh its risks, the advisory
panel concluded."
On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 11:24 AM, Sam wrote:
>
> What death panels?
>
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/articl
What death panels?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/15/AR2010081503466.html?hpid=topnews
Federal regulators are considering taking the highly unusual step of
rescinding approval of a drug that patients with advanced breast
cancer turn to as a last-ditch hope.
The deb
It's the best place for free information out there. No one controls it.
The Groups are great for many interests and for information sharing.
I mean, Usenet has existed before the WWW in one form or other.
I see an ever tightening noose around the necks of customers by
Corporations and Governments
Far as I can tell, that, MP3's, and Warez are the three biggest binary
uses of Usenet. The real benefit that has over, say P2P downloading,
is that you are really only connecting to one other system, and it's
local at your ISP. With P2P you are joining a swarm of other clients
who may or may not
newsgroups still a thing to do?
>>>>
>>>> tw
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
ote:
>>> is usenet stuff still used?
>>>
>>> like are newsgroups still a thing to do?
>>>
>>> tw
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Jim Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>> -Original Message-
>&g
; -Original Message-
>>>> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:14 AM
>>>> To: CF-Community
>>>> Subject: Re: and so it begins...
>>>>
>>>> I have been thinking this day wo
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>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:14 AM
>>> To: CF-Community
>>> Subject: Re: and so it begins...
>>>
>>> I have been thinking this day would
o: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: and so it begins...
>>
>> I have been thinking this day would come sooner or later. What bugs me
>> is
>> how the move is being sold as "protecting kids" or some other BS like
>> that.
>
> Too true... the actual
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Munn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 1:14 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: and so it begins...
>
> I have been thinking this day would come sooner or later. What bugs me
> is
> how the move is bei
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 12:07 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: and so it begins...
>
> http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Verizon__Time_Warner_Cable__and_Sprint_To
> _Block_Usenet
I'm not sure wha
I was actually looking at the comments in the article... A rep from
one of the companies posted a comment with that clarification. I
dunno about the other two. However, if they are going to dump alt.*,
they might as well just stop offering it. Just about all the binary
groups and alt groups, an
this article says "block," but I grant you that it appears to be on
one person's blog and could be wrong. Are you looking at another
article and if so where? I don't like speaking up on behalf of porn,
but that is where First Amendment fights tend to take place.
On 6/12/08, Cameron Childress <[EMA
Doesn't look like they are actually blocking Usenet, just not hosting
it on their own servers anymore. There's so much binary content up
there right now that it must take quite a bit of equipment to keep it
maintained.
In my own experience, most big Cable/Phone ISPs have crappy Usenet
servers any
>Just wait until they start blocking
>YouTube.
Do you really think they could get away with that? It would seem to me that
usenet appeals to a more technically knowledgeable user group, while youtube
has mass appeal to a general audience. They would lose users in droves if they
blocked youtub
I have been thinking this day would come sooner or later. What bugs me is
how the move is being sold as "protecting kids" or some other BS like that.
Usenet is a huge bandwidth killer, and 90% of the bandwidth used it is for
porn and illegal music and videos. ISPs don't want the costs associated wi
http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Verizon__Time_Warner_Cable__and_Sprint_To_Block_Usenet
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Sam,
I too saw that article, and in fairness I was happy to see what his (early) agenda
will be. Hey, perhaps my fears are misplaced, wouldn't be the first time. I will keep
an eye on this though, as I have been paying attention to the FCC issue since
NippleGate at the Super Bowl.
> Preside
> > Marwan wrote:
> > Hell, I am a straight, married man, so the abortion and gay marriage
> items
> > are tangential to me at best,
>
> An erosion of anybody's right is an erosion of your own. When you
> let
> the state take others rights, it's just a matter of time before they
> take yours.
Some clarifications:
> Now these bills have nothing to do with (as far as I know) controling
> Cable.
true, but Michael Powell on NPR (the day after Howard Stern made his
Sirius satellite announcement) announced that the FCC would be and is
looking into ways of regulating speech on Satellite radi
> BTW, I actually lean more anti-abortion but pro-choice, if that makes any sense
> at all
most of us (pro-choice folks) are, actually.
And FWIW, to chime in a bit on cable/broadcast... WTF are the content
labels for?
why is it that a TVMA "rated" show on network (like Boston Legal or
CSI:We
> Marwan wrote:
> Hell, I am a straight, married man, so the abortion and gay marriage items
> are tangential to me at best,
An erosion of anybody's right is an erosion of your own. When you let
the state take others rights, it's just a matter of time before they
take yours. Rush Limbaugh learne
President Bush pledged Thursday to aggressively pursue
major changes in Social Security, the tax code and
medical malpractice awards, working with Democrats if
they are receptive and leaving them behind if they're
not.
Instead of stressing out on what all the fanatics say,
listen to Bush and see.
The FCC bills are on Bush's desk I say they'll be inplace as a great
christmas Present to all the good little boys and girls, chirstian
land.
Now these bills have nothing to do with (as far as I know) controling
Cable. That is just not going to happen if it did they would be
controling all forms o
I don't agree that they represent a microscopic part of the US at all.
After the results of this election, it's clear to me that Bush and his Republican
party know exactly what they are doing, and all
the right buttons to push with their power base. Whether they themselves believe in
their own r
It IS apples to oranges, and I think that's telling.
-Kevin
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 11:17:08 -0400, Marwan Saidi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not real sure how that is relevant to the thread. While I appreciate the sentiment
> of the article, it's apples to oranges, isn't it? My concerns are possib
Not real sure how that is relevant to the thread. While I appreciate the sentiment of
the article, it's apples to oranges, isn't it? My concerns are possible changes to
domestic policy wherin the boundaries of church and state may be blurred to satisfy
the wants of the religious right. While I f
> " America's conservative religious leaders, credited with providing the margin of
> victory for President Bush's re-election, are ready to present the White House with
> a bill for services rendered."
Powell: Bush to aggressively pursue issues important to Muslims
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPO
nice rant! go Marwan!
(no irony intended) :)
>-Original Message-
>From: Marwan Saidi
>
>
>" America's conservative religious leaders, credited with
>providing the margin of victory for President Bush's
>re-election, are ready to present the White House with a bill
>for services render
America would line up right behind you.
These few evangelical nuts who found their way to polling stations last
Tuesday may have put Bush over the top, but they represent a microscopic
portion of Americans. Bush would be wise to remember that as he ponders
their extremist requests for a strict rel
" America's conservative religious leaders, credited with providing the margin of
victory for President Bush's re-election, are ready to present the White House with a
bill for services rendered."
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/elections/orl-asecpayback05110504nov05,0,1432787.story?coll=orl
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