RE: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Eric Roberts
Probably longer lifespans and the wholesale introduction of pollutants in the environment with the coming of the industrial age. -Original Message- From: Larry C. Lyons [mailto:larrycly...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 2:42 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: cancer is purely

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:40 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Are you sure about that? Prominent people usually had much better care > and typically had a far healthier childhood and adulthood. Guessing > life span by an extremely small minority is simply not correct. You > include the proles in yo

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
Could that cause red pustules or blisters on the skin (face)? I thought it might have been nephroma (with an r) but how does that fit with the skin. OK, bad kidneys have an effect on the whole body, but... On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Judging from the name it would b

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Casey Dougall > wrote: >> >> >> Or our extraterrestrial friends who screwed with our DNA are to blame. ;-) > > Dan Bern, "No Missing Link"  http://bit.ly/bn5WA4 > Link is to a song on iLike, btw

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Maureen
Their research also excludes soft tissue cancers like the ones I have. Cancer of the lungs, breast, prostate, skin, stomach, liver, kidney and pancreas all can kill without invading the bones. I've seen research that indicates that all males will eventually die of prostate cancer if nothing else

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Are you sure about that? Prominent people usually had much better care and typically had a far healthier childhood and adulthood. Guessing life span by an extremely small minority is simply not correct. You include the proles in your lifespan guess and it reduces to around 25 to 30 years. On Fri,

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > >> I guess I should have mentioned that the chorus features a very loud >> repeated round of "Aliens came and fucked the monkeys, they fucked the >> monkeys" >> > > Good stuff! LOL

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I guess I should have mentioned that the chorus features a very loud > repeated round of "Aliens came and fucked the monkeys, they fucked the > monkeys" > Good stuff! LOL ~~

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
I guess I should have mentioned that the chorus features a very loud repeated round of "Aliens came and fucked the monkeys, they fucked the monkeys" On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Jerry Johnson wrote: > > LOL. > > Not safe for work. > > > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Judah McAuley wrot

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Maureen
But they didn't test Ancient Greece, so their pool of data would not include those with longer life spans. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Maureen wrote: > >> >> This study seems to draw a lot of conclusions not in evidence. I would >>

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > They are drawing conclusions based on lack of evidence - lack of cancer - in > tested samples. As for life span, at least some people in ancient > civilizations like Greece and Egypt lived lives as long as modern people. > Take a look at this

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
LOL. Not safe for work. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Casey Dougall > wrote: > > > > > > Or our extraterrestrial friends who screwed with our DNA are to blame. > ;-) > > Dan Bern, "No Missing Link" http://bit.ly/bn5WA4 > > ~~~

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > > Or our extraterrestrial friends who screwed with our DNA are to blame. ;-) Dan Bern, "No Missing Link" http://bit.ly/bn5WA4 ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology n

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Maureen wrote: > > This study seems to draw a lot of conclusions not in evidence. I would > suggest that a short life span would explain this more than an absence > of carcinogens. One of the most common cancer is Melanoma, known to > be caused by exposure to t

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > Remember the fictional disease NAS in the movie version of Johnny Mnemonic? > Substitute cancer for NAS, and then go back and watch the scene with Henry > Rollins where he explains what causes NAS - modern life. > > > > http://www.dailymail

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Maureen
If this is related to his kidneys it is probably not nephoma but Nephroma or more likely since he is an adult Hypernephroma also called Renal cell carcinoma. https://health.google.com/health/ref/Renal+cell+carcinoma Nasty but not always fatal, especially if only one kidney is affected. On Fri,

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
Judging from the name it would be a type of kidney tumor. Neph == kidney oma == tumor. That could cover a wide range of tumors though, there is probably a more specific name that would return more information. A quick looking about seems to indicate that Mesoblastic Nephoma seems to be the most c

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Michael Dinowitz
You did notice that this was from the British mailonline.com, right? They're like the British enquirer (or close enough). As a side note, I found out recently that my uncle (on my mothers side) has nephoma in stage 4. Judith says that she was told it's a cancer. I can't find almost any informatio

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I think Maureen's reasoning is probably the correct one. Life was very short. It wasn't until life spans began increasing that cancer death rates began increasing. On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > >> >> actually can

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Judah McAuley
One big thing missing from this analysis is the rapid change in life expectancy. Incidence of cancer increases with age. At some point, if you live long enough, you'll pretty much be assured of getting cancer because of the proliferation of transcription errors, accumulation of oxidants (byproduct

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > actually cancer have been found in some fossilized bones. I'll have to > check again but I remember reading about how cancerous lesions were > found on some dinosaur bones. > > Yes, they note that in the study, but they also note that s

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Maureen
This study seems to draw a lot of conclusions not in evidence. I would suggest that a short life span would explain this more than an absence of carcinogens. One of the most common cancer is Melanoma, known to be caused by exposure to the sun, of which ancient Egyptians would have had plenty. On

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Cameron Childress
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > Cancer is a man-made disease fuelled by the excesses of modern life, a study > of ancient remains has found. > > Tumours were rare until recent times when pollution and poor diet became > issues, the review of mummies, fossils and classical li

Re: cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
What since there were so called instances instances of showing up before a certain time period. By that logic there were NO Reported Occurrences of Tornadoes on the North American Continent until Mankind set foot on it! Tornadoes, therefore are MAN-CAUSED! actually cancer have been found in some

cancer is purely man-made, whoa!

2010-10-15 Thread Robert Munn
Remember the fictional disease NAS in the movie version of Johnny Mnemonic? Substitute cancer for NAS, and then go back and watch the scene with Henry Rollins where he explains what causes NAS - modern life. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1320507/Cancer-purely-man-say-scientists-