Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Robert Munn
no On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 4:13 PM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] wrote: > > the two biggest money-draining scams in world history- Social Security > and > Medicare. > > Would I be correct in assuming you're never lived outside the US? > >

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
> the two biggest money-draining scams in world history- Social Security and Medicare. Would I be correct in assuming you're never lived outside the US? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic relea

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Robert Munn
You are full of BS and obviously pushing for a government handout, that's what I know. The forces of nature that operate on this planet so far outstrip any forces that mankind can muster that we have no chance of out-muscling them. Alternative energy sources are fine if they can compete in the mar

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Actually, I have been building lots of software and running lots of servers > powered by horrible dirty electricity generated by horrible dirty power > plants. Then again, so have most of the people on this list, so what's your > point? > My point is: (a.) We don't know if there

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Sam
He doesn't know if it's on fire, it just feels warmer now then it did last night. I say why take the chance? Hose him down just to be safe :) On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 9:59 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > I have no problem with you running around with your hair on fire, just don't > ask me for a pitcher

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Robert Munn
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > RoMunn wrote: > > Unless and until we can work some Star Trek weather-control mojo on a > > planetary scale, there really isn't any point in trying to control the > > temperature of the Earth. > > > > 1.) How do you know we even need to worr

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-30 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > Unless and until we can work some Star Trek weather-control mojo on a > planetary scale, there really isn't any point in trying to control the > temperature of the Earth. > 1.) How do you know we even need to worry about the temperature of the Earth or if there even is such a thi

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Robert Munn
Unless and until we can work some Star Trek weather-control mojo on a planetary scale, there really isn't any point in trying to control the temperature of the Earth. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Gruss wrote: > > There's a risk here and we need to expend resources to both > investigate furth

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > You are wrong. I would say that b is the appropriate response, but to be > honest, it is a poor analogy. > > And if you look at the data from the ice cores, That's the funny thing about all of the is-it-or-isn't-it, that line of reasoning totally misses the point. So drop the da

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Judah McAuley
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:02 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > You are wrong. I would say that b is the appropriate response, but to be > honest, it is a poor analogy. > > And if you look at the data from the ice cores, it shows what I (and others) > have been saying...the climate is cyclical. The earth

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Scott Stroz
You are wrong. I would say that b is the appropriate response, but to be honest, it is a poor analogy. And if you look at the data from the ice cores, it shows what I (and others) have been saying...the climate is cyclical. The earth warms up and cools down on a cycle. All I am trying to say is

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread G Money
I'm just glad I can start polluting again.that was driving me crazy. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Dana wrote: > I want to ask if you are kidding. Unfortunately, I know you are not. > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Sam wrote: > > > 2008 was the year man-made global warming was dispr

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > I have not seen any evidence that proves uneqivocally that the climate > change we are experiencing is from natural climate change or as a result of > cars and factories. I will illustrate the problem I see with your reasoning with an excellent analogy (as usual): Let's say it's

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Dana
I want to ask if you are kidding. Unfortunately, I know you are not. On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Sam wrote: > 2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved > > [ > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3982101/2008-was-the-year-man-made-global-warming-was

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-29 Thread Sam
2008 was the year man-made global warming was disproved [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/3982101/2008-was-the-year-man-made-global-warming-was-disproved.html] http://tinyurl.com/8p7d83 Or the other way around :) On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Dana wrote: > It

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Scott Stroz
> From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:20 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > > > No, I have been saying all along that the climate has been cyclical and > > that > > what we are seeign now

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 2:20 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > No, I have been saying all along that the climate has been cyclical and > that > what we are

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Maureen
The climate cycle is only a very small part of the overall picture, so dwelling only on that answers no questions. On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > No, I have been saying all along that the climate has been cyclical and that > what we are seeign now could jut sbe a natural p

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Dana
it's not that far from mine, though I would also add that there enough other known problems with pollution to make emission reduction a good goal either way. It seems to me that the people who think they are smart because they don't believe in global warming will eventually have to come to terms wi

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Scott Stroz
No, I have been saying all along that the climate has been cyclical and that what we are seeign now could jut sbe a natural part of that cycle. My reasons for saying we need to expand beyond the 150 years (or more) of data is so that we can see the cycles that have been taking place and where we c

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Vivec
Yeah umm... I don't think that link shows what you think it shows. Here is how the entire article referenced by your link ends: "As Wallace Broeckerlikes to say, the Earth's climate system is "an angry beast" and one that we should not be

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:38 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > Did you look at this link, http://tinyurl.com/7b7ot? > > How would you explain the clim

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
> I may raise the temperature of the ocean by pissing in it Probably not, but what if 6.7 billion people pissed in the ocean? Of course warming and cooling cycles have been going on since the dawn of time. The argument is that we are increasing the speed and amplitude of the cycle. Quit trying to

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Scott Stroz
Did you look at this link, http://tinyurl.com/7b7ot? How would you explain the climate and CO2 levels changing before man built factories and cars? All I am saying is that it seems like the 'warming' and 'cooling' of our planet seems to be a cyclical thing and has been happening for a long, long t

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Casey Dougall
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:23 PM, Andrew Grosset wrote: > I have a solution, we just need to drive smaller more economical vehicles > :) > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfSS0ZXYdo&feature=channel > I almost crapped my paints with that video... OMFG! ~~

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Robert Munn
We know that man has a negative impact on the environment. Man also has positive impacts on the environment. Whether human activity is the deciding factor in the temperature of the planet is another matter entirely. Why is the Earth getting colder right now? Certainly not because of decreased human

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-28 Thread Maureen
In order to determine if man with his hydrocarbons is having an impact on the climate, you don't need to look at data going all the way to the beginning of time. You only need to look at data before hydro-carbon and after hydro-carbon on the same scale. It's a much easier problem. Is the air dir

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-27 Thread Scott Stroz
e. On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 9:36 PM, Jim Davis wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:27 PM > > To: cf-community > > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > > >

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-27 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:27 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > I have answered this already, I think 1% of possible data would be a > huge > improve

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-27 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:13 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > I used 10,000,000 since it is a nice round number. Since we cannot, > with any > reak

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I have answered this already, I think 1% of possible data would be a huge improvement, though still could be statistically inaccurate. Lets assume that the 'accurate' temperatures from 'thousands of years ago are truly accurate (and I will give you 10,000 years) and still use my base of 10,000,000

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-27 Thread Scott Stroz
I used 10,000,000 since it is a nice round number. Since we cannot, with any reak accuracy determine the true 'beginning or earth', I thoguht maybe we could at least agree that 10,000,000 years ago the earth had some resemblence to what we have now. Its obvious I am not doign a very good job tryig

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:44 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: global warming my eye > > But there is no 'control' data, or data that shows what the climate was > like &

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Ian Skinner
Scott Stroz wrote: > And what do those shows say about the climate? I'd be willing to bet hey > don't say the climate was the same the whole time, right up until man built > factories and cars. Ok, you win that bet. Now what? What point did your bet make?

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Sam
http://www.longrangeweather.com/images/gtemps.gif On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Maureen wrote: > When the data being collected is about the impact of the combustion > engine on climate, 150 years is the entire life of the data set.

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Scott Stroz
And what do those shows say about the climate? I'd be willing to bet hey don't say the climate was the same the whole time, right up until man built factories and cars. On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Scott Stroz wrote: > > But there is no 'control' data, or data that show

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Charlie Griefer
On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Ian Skinner wrote: > Scott Stroz wrote: > > But there is no 'control' data, or data that shows what the climate was > like > > before. > > There's not? What do I keep seeing on the Discovery channel about ice > cores and other interesting sources of samples of pr

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Ian Skinner
Scott Stroz wrote: > But there is no 'control' data, or data that shows what the climate was like > before. There's not? What do I keep seeing on the Discovery channel about ice cores and other interesting sources of samples of prehistoric atmosphere? ~

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Scott Stroz
But there is no 'control' data, or data that shows what the climate was like before. If you wanted to do a study to track the changes in the length of daylight over the course of a year and used the statistical equivalent (figuring 150 yrs of data over lets say 10,000,000 years) of 0.0015%, that

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-23 Thread Maureen
When the data being collected is about the impact of the combustion engine on climate, 150 years is the entire life of the data set. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:23 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > When the scale of historical measure is in the billions of years (the age of > the Earth), 150 years IS an ind

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Andrew Grosset
I have a solution, we just need to drive smaller more economical vehicles :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJfSS0ZXYdo&feature=channel ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get t

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Munn
You miss the point entirely and you seem to be oblivious to the economics involved. The size of the CFC economy was minuscule compared to the fossil fuel economy. Someone has to pay to replace or retool gas stations, gas lines, coal plants, tanker fleets, truck fleets, automobiles, manufacturing pl

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Judah McAuley
You seem to have selective amnesia. The argument back then was that it would be disastrous to our economy. Everything had CFC's in it. People would hate the alternatives and the alternatives were inferior, no one would use them, blah blah blah. Why spend untold amounts of money on a theory that may

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Munn
The economic impact of banning CFCs was minimal. The economic impact of "going green" would be catastrophic - unless an economical alternative is found. If an alternative exists, problem solved. If not, no amount of whinging about CFCs is going to bridge the gap. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:41 PM, J

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Judah McAuley
You say that like we are ignorant of the underlying forces at work. Well, we aren't. We have a great deal of geological evidence and we understand a lot of the factors that make climates warm and cold. Yes, there are big, broad changes that happen over hundres of thousands of years. And accidents t

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > When the scale of historical measure is in the billions of years (the age of > the Earth), 150 years IS an individual data point, that is one of the basic > problems with climate change science. > Ann ... we're full circle. Lesse, we started at yes-it-is, then we went to

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Gruss Gott
> Juday wrote: > Do you have any clue at all about the difference between an individual > point of datum and a trend? It's 6. That's the difference. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release t

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Robert Munn
When the scale of historical measure is in the billions of years (the age of the Earth), 150 years IS an individual data point, that is one of the basic problems with climate change science. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > OMG COLD! OH NOEZ! W3RMING IS MYTHZ! > > Do you h

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Judah McAuley
OMG COLD! OH NOEZ! W3RMING IS MYTHZ! Do you have any clue at all about the difference between an individual point of datum and a trend? Do you think that your odds of getting "heads" on the next coin flip are less or more than 50% when your previous three times came up heads? The utter and comple

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Andrew Grosset
Nearly 1500 cold temp records & 770 snow records set in U.S. in past week! http://iceagenow.com/Record_Lows_2008.htm ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http:

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Scott Stewart
Ok, So I won't set up a huge array of windmills on my property. The future of power is in de-centralization, the consumer generating his own power on his own property Sam wrote: > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/3867232/Promoters-overstated-the-environmental-benefit-of-wind-fa

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Michael Grant
No, I grade your opinions too. The quality of your writing is rivaled only by the quality of your opinions. ;) -Original message- From: Sam sammyc...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:19:21 -0500 To: cf-community cf-community@houseoffusion.com Subject: Re: global warming my eye >

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
These were both problems in design. The insight was a two seater which had limited usefulness and the Accord was mated to a 6 cyl, producing only 6mpg more than the available 4 cyl. The accord hybrid only came in the top of the line pkg, around $30k, and only ever accounted for 1.4% of al

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/windpower/3867232/Promoters-overstated-the-environmental-benefit-of-wind-farms.html The wind farm industry has been forced to admit that the environmental benefit of wind power in reducing carbon emissions is only half as big as it had previously claimed. O

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Scott Stewart
"53 years to break even if you count my share. Who do you think pays you're offset?" uhmm... I'm trying to think of how to put this Thanks for helping out.but you're share doesn't count in my calculations...I pay federal taxes too Sam wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Scott St

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
I keep forgetting I'm getting graded on grammar. I guess I can only reply when I have time to look over my work before submitting it. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Michael Grant wrote: > Yes, I can be very ridicules. In fact some days I completely ignore grammar, > spelling and sentence stru

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: 53 years to break even if you count my share. Who do you think pays you're offset? > Done the math... at 75% offset with incentives and tax breaks it'll cost > me 75k to install, save me $115 *a month* > (that's almost $1400 a year, which is

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Scott Stewart
Sam wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: > > >>> Won't be but still is. Once they get Coldfusion working it wont be needed. >>> > > >> Right now, I can install solar panels on my roof, get a substantial >> portion paid for by the gov't and finance the rest wi

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:23 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: >> Won't be but still is. Once they get Coldfusion working it wont be needed. > Right now, I can install solar panels on my roof, get a substantial > portion paid for by the gov't and finance the rest with a home equity > loan, I'll reduce my

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Scott Stewart
Sam wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Scott Stewart > wrote: > >> How do you justify empirical statements like that? >> >> 1) Solar power is proven technology, it does work. An individual can >> take a house almost entirely off the electrical grid with current >> technology. >> Panels

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Ian Skinner
Sam wrote: > You think Solar and Wind are the only options? No, but is there some reason you can't just answer the simple question? ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Fr

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
I've provided links many times over the years and each time you quietly sneak away, thewn six months later make me re-argue my case. Check the archives. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Dana wrote: >> We are reducing CO2 emissions more than any other country in the >> world, > > > link please >

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Scott Stewart wrote: > How do you justify empirical statements like that? > > 1) Solar power is proven technology, it does work. An individual can > take a house almost entirely off the electrical grid with current > technology. > Panels are getting exponentially

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Michael Grant
warming my eye > Someone has to point out how ridicules you are. > > On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] > wrote: > > Wow, what a poignant and truly relevant analogy. You are always on point > >

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
Someone has to point out how ridicules you are. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Michael Grant [Modus IS] wrote: > Wow, what a poignant and truly relevant analogy. You are always on point > with your insights Sam. > ~| Adobe® Co

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-22 Thread Sam
You think Solar and Wind are the only options? On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Vivec wrote: > So Sam, that means we are heading for extinction. > If Solar and Wind are failures, and Oil is a non-renewable resource, what > hope is there for our society? > > What is *YOUR* solution? > > 2008/12/2

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Judah McAuley
In October. But still maintained an overall area less at all times than the 79 to 2000 average and the only average it beat out is last years. Oh, and that average fell below last years this month. Oh, and its all new ice, which melts much faster than ice that has been there more than 2 years, so w

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Andrew Grosset
True, see ice was shrinking. "The total amount of ice, which set a record low value last year, grew in October at the fastest pace since record-keeping began in 1979." http://tinyurl.com/5e84e6 Andrew. >http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/02/16/braasch-tuvalu/ > >http://www.npr.org/t

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Andrew Grosset
But since Jan 2007 there has been a precipitous drop in temperatures, more than all the warming of the last 100 years: http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/7390_large_hadcrut.jpg Andrew. >Ice melting across globe at accelerating rate, NASA says > >http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/16/meltin

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Dana
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2005/02/16/braasch-tuvalu/ http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5364584 ::shrug:: that's off the top of my head. But o my bad there is no proof is there D On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Maureen wrote: > Ice melting across globe at acce

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Maureen
Ice melting across globe at accelerating rate, NASA says http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/12/16/melting.ice/index.html On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Andrew Grosset wrote: > The next ice age starts soon: > http://www.iceagenow.com ~~

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Andrew Grosset
The next ice age starts soon: http://www.iceagenow.com Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming http://tinyurl.com/3b6zje Alaskan Glaciers Grow for First Time in 250 years http://tinyurl.com/52ovwn Sea Ice Growing at Fastest Pace on Record http://tinyurl.com/5e

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Dana
> We are reducing CO2 emissions more than any other country in the > world, link please > bar maybe Britain that doesn't do much of it's own > manufacturing anymore. link please > > > Meanwhile China and India are increasing emissions faster than we can > reduce. link please > > Solar and

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
>or is this just you inner Luddite coming out? :) /me takes forefinger and taps end of nose. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Scott Stewart
How do you justify empirical statements like that? 1) Solar power is proven technology, it does work. An individual can take a house almost entirely off the electrical grid with current technology. Panels are getting exponentially cheaper as newer thin panels come out on the market. Solar used

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
Wow, what a poignant and truly relevant analogy. You are always on point with your insights Sam. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:39 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: global warming my eye http://www.americanthinker.com/blog

RE: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Michael Grant [Modus IS]
2008 8:56 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: global warming my eye At the risk of putting words in Sam's mouth. I _think_ what he is trying to say is that since we do not know what is causing the climate change, should we really be spending tons of money on a 'solution'? If you don'

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Vivec
So Sam, that means we are heading for extinction. If Solar and Wind are failures, and Oil is a non-renewable resource, what hope is there for our society? What is *YOUR* solution? 2008/12/21 Sam > > Solar and Wind are wasted failures. > Electric cars in Europe are a failure. > Throwing money at

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Sam
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/12/something_else_for_al_gore_to.html Something else for Al Gore to worry about (updated) Richard Strimple I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but I have detected a new crisis that I have named "the daylight change crisis". I first noticed it sometim

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Sam
We are reducing CO2 emissions more than any other country in the world, bar maybe Britain that doesn't do much of it's own manufacturing anymore. Meanwhile China and India are increasing emissions faster than we can reduce. Solar and Wind are wasted failures. Electric cars in Europe are a failure

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Scott Stroz
You did not answer my question. On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 9:27 AM, Vivec wrote: > The only reason we are not reducing CO2 emissions is because of capitalist > economic concerns. > > Not any other reason. > > Our societal structures continue to place profit above mankind. > > This is why trillions

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Vivec
The only reason we are not reducing CO2 emissions is because of capitalist economic concerns. Not any other reason. Our societal structures continue to place profit above mankind. This is why trillions of dollars in resources can be spent on war and military research, billions on oil exploration

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Scott Stroz
But if we do not know what is causing it, how can we say, with any accuracy, what a solution would be? On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Vivec wrote: > The threat is that the earth will go on quite happily... > > but without us. > > > > 2008/12/21 Scott Stroz > > > I think it is just as likely t

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Scott Stroz
At the risk of putting words in Sam's mouth. I _think_ what he is trying to say is that since we do not know what is causing the climate change, should we really be spending tons of money on a 'solution'? If you don't know the cause of the problem, how can you have a solution to it? On Fri, Dec 1

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Vivec
The threat is that the earth will go on quite happily... but without us. 2008/12/21 Scott Stroz > I think it is just as likely that the 'warming' could be a natural part of > the Earth's climate (some believe we are still coming out of the last ice > age) as it is from our cars and factories.

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-21 Thread Scott Stroz
Where is the proof? We are basing the whole 'global warming' thing on about 150 years of data. The Earth is billions of years old. Statistically, we have a minuscule (some might argue, insignificant) amount of data on which to base this opinion (in either direction). I think it is just as likel

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Sam
And a poor command of the English language :) On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> My neighbor has down syndrome so I have patients. > > Tell me more Doctor. > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Sam wrote: > My neighbor has down syndrome so I have patients. Tell me more Doctor. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;2071726

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Sam
My neighbor has down syndrome so I have patients. I can tell him something ten times before he'd even consider it an option. At least he doesn't have turrets :) On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 3:03 AM, Vivec wrote: > Ahthe glory of the Community list..when it enters people's popular > culture :-) >

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Dana
it's no fair bringing logic to a stupid-fight, Maureen :) On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Maureen wrote: > I've been eviscerating trolls since before you were a gleam in your > daddy's eye. Get over it. > > On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Sam wrote: > > For funk sake, I keep forgetting how

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Maureen
I've been eviscerating trolls since before you were a gleam in your daddy's eye. Get over it. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Sam wrote: > For funk sake, I keep forgetting how stupid you are. > You said you love when I insult you. SO, I ASKED if that was why you > insult me. It's called baitin

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Gruss Gott
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Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Judah McAuley
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:58 AM, Sam wrote: > Do you think people that don't agree with you are wife beaters? > Where the f did that come from. It was a commonly known rhetorical device. "Have you stopped beating your wife" is one of those questions to which are inherently stupid and which does n

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Dana
:) On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Vivec wrote: > LOL LOL!!! > > 2008/12/20 Dana > > > ok. Go to your corners. Now. Both of you. Don't make me stop this car. > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most importan

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Vivec
LOL LOL!!! 2008/12/20 Dana > ok. Go to your corners. Now. Both of you. Don't make me stop this car. > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doublecl

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > ok. Go to your corners. Now. Both of you. Don't make me stop this car. > Ah let 'em go. We haven't had a good slash & burn in this family for awhile and that's what the holiday season means after all. ~| Adobe®

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Dana
ok. Go to your corners. Now. Both of you. Don't make me stop this car. On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 11:00 AM, Sam wrote: > For funk sake, I keep forgetting how stupid you are. > You said you love when I insult you. SO, I ASKED if that was why you > insult me. It's called baiting...duh. > > You're not

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Sam
For funk sake, I keep forgetting how stupid you are. You said you love when I insult you. SO, I ASKED if that was why you insult me. It's called baiting...duh. You're not good at this are you?. On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:54 PM, Maureen wrote: > No. I insult you cause you're such an easy target.

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Sam
What is wrong with you? Really? People in the real world aren't this disturbed. At least not in my circles. Do you think people that don't agree with you are wife beaters? Where the f did that come from. What do you do for a living. Did you earn a degree? Are any of your family members dead becau

Re: global warming my eye

2008-12-20 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > ::sigh:: ok I will bite. Why would the sun provide 1% less energy? What > *is* plausible is 1% less energy reaching the planet's surface . > > On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:18 AM, Robert Munn wrote: > >> If the Sun provides just 1% less energy to the Earth, this planet becomes a >> bi

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