Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > eh if you follow that logic though a lot of rural places out west > would still be roadless wildernesses. There may be an argument against > using federal funds, thought i am sure sure I'd agree with it. But > state? Gimme a break.

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eh if you follow that logic though a lot of rural places out west would still be roadless wildernesses. There may be an argument against using federal funds, thought i am sure sure I'd agree with it. But state? Gimme a break. Personally I I am rather glad there's a road to Chaco Canyon, even if th

Re: the bridge to nowhere

CF-Comm Monkey Challenge!!! On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:23 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > A 1.3 mile rope monkey bridge - that would be a fun one > > On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would be a hell of a tourist attraction too!!

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I did one of the Alaska cruises a few years ago, but we didn't hit Ketchikan. We did Skagway, Sitka, and Juneau. Having seen the coastline and the sea during the most hospitable time of year (August) I can understand why people would want a bridge rather than a ferry. I'm not sure I'd want to be on

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A 1.3 mile rope monkey bridge - that would be a fun one On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 12:17 AM, Beth In Alaska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would be a hell of a tourist attraction too!! I'd go there just to walk it! ~| Adobe® ColdF

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> Yeah, but we were just thinking outside the box having some fun building a > bridge with tourism dollars. Perhaps it could be a rope bridge for foot > traffic instead ;) Now that would be a challenge! Would be a hell of a tourist attraction too!! I'd go there just to walk it! ~~~

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Yeah, but we were just thinking outside the box having some fun building a bridge with tourism dollars. Perhaps it could be a rope bridge for foot traffic instead ;) Now that would be a challenge! On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:32 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > doesn't this fall under infrastru

Re: the bridge to nowhere

Yeah - I went and looked it up after I posted that. Fascinating little place added it to a list of must see places. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its a fishing town!! they provide you salmon! > > > ~

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Dana wrote: > collapses to me. On the other hand, this sounds like more of a > regional issue to me, so it probably should have been paid for with > state not federal funds. But that might have reduced the size of the > rebate that got sent out. Ah, the dilemma

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doesn't this fall under infrastructure? I.e, something taxes are *supposed* to do? I don't see why a bridge should have to be self-supporting. Sounds like a recipe for more interstate bridge collapses to me. On the other hand, this sounds like more of a regional issue to me, so it probably should h

Re: the bridge to nowhere

We have lots of bridge here. It costs 4 or 5 dollars for each car to cross them going into the city. It's free to cross going out of the city. They aren't even close to be being self-supporting. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yeah hell, if they rai

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:52 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cameron, if you'd like to develop a business plan for funding the ketchikan > bridge via tourist dollars I'm sure they'd love to have it. Heh... I just saw a stat that the airport only gets 200,000 passengers a year. I g

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Canneries have tremendous seasonal draw - its probably partially tourism > (but not a huge tourist area in terms of flying - the cruise ships stop > there) but mostly probably cannery employees. 8000 is year round people

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Cameron, if you'd like to develop a business plan for funding the ketchikan bridge via tourist dollars I'm sure they'd love to have it. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get

Re: the bridge to nowhere

- Original Message - From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >

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> Ketchikan serves as both an > air > and marine transportation hub for southern Southeast > Alaska This is very true - all the tiny villages around dont'have air service to seattle or anchorage - you have to hire an air taxi or take a boat to ketc

Re: the bridge to nowhere

- Original Message - From: "Erika L. Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere > ROFLMAO > > "NO! They cannot leave! If people choose to live in such a far o

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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I cant' say for sure but I'll assume that it began as a tiny airstrip like > most of our places. Some guy in a boat probably shuttled all four residents > back and forth to the mainland. Things here grow organically some

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > didn't we just say it was an air transportation hub? to me that says > that there are probably people coming from pretty far away to take an > airplane, and they would not really be tourists . For instance, they > would probably no

Re: the bridge to nowhere

- Original Message - From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 1:00 PM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> y

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didn't we just say it was an air transportation hub? to me that says that there are probably people coming from pretty far away to take an airplane, and they would not really be tourists . For instance, they would probably not have a hotel stay. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:07 PM, Cameron Childress <

Re: the bridge to nowhere

Yeah hell, if they raised the ferry fee by a buck or two - the ferry could fund a bridge, of course I see it would put ferry operators in a bind ... so that's a catch 22 I'd rather take a ferry anyway. I'll always take the Cape May Ferry over driving through Washington, DC to get through the E

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other conversation ... what was the original intent of civilization there > anyway? Is it a port city or a some sort of mining town? Fishing, not tourism. I say make the tourists pay for the bridge (hotel tax). Ther

Re: the bridge to nowhere

A, cool stuff! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketchikan "Ketchikan's economy is based upon tourism and fishing, and the city is known as the "Salmon Capital of the World." The Misty Fjords National Monument

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ROFLMAO "NO! They cannot leave! If people choose to live in such a far off corner of the frozen tundra then that's their fault! No leaving for them! Walk! They will get somewhere eventually! Use a dog sled, a donke, an ox or a horse! But no planes for them! At least one year! No planes!" In

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you know, I assume the people in ketchikan needed to leave occasionally. > Thats why it was built. I didn't ask why it was built. I asked why it was built without a bridge in it's plan. -Cameron ~~~

Re: the bridge to nowhere

- Original Message - From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

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Katrina's tempest-tossed citizens. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Maureen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Site? > >> Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of >> fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. > >

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Site? On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:43 AM, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of > fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 s

RE: the bridge to nowhere

I have seen a house with a yard, grass, on the roof! -Original Message- From: Erika L. Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:16 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere Ya know - I know a few people that would do this ... LOL On Thu

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Ya know - I know a few people that would do this ... LOL On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:14 PM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Like building a 2 car garage on your roof because you don't have > any other place to put it and then complaining that you can't get your > cars into it. >

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Its the only safe place to build it. There are mountains all around. That may be why it was built in that location, but it doesn't answer the question of why an airport was built with no good way to get to it. Like bui

Re: the bridge to nowhere

- Original Message - From: "Cameron Childress" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:22 AM Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere >I think the real question is, who paid for the airport? And why was a > decision mad

Re: the bridge to nowhere

EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sam wrote: >> Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of >> fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. >> > > J'ACCUSE! > > ~|

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> **But is there something wrong with just keeping the ferry as transport or > is it a convenience factor? Asking out of curiosity because I don't know > how > truly busy the place is... is a bridge warranted? If it is - why is > everyone > so opposed to it? People are opposed to it because the

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> Sam wrote: > Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of > fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. > J'ACCUSE! ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dr

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investment created? None. Just a pile of dirt and a big hole. If, on the other hand, that $5 is used to build an airport to attract, say, an Audi assembly plant, now you've created value because your investment has sparked a whole new round of wealth creation. Putting it all together, if the

Re: the bridge to nowhere

Obama and Biden voted twice to fund the bridge to nowhere instead of fixing a bridge destroyed by Katrina. Twice. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 6:35 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Now that'

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Which reminds me - I am very thankful that we have a country so big - with so many diverse weather zones, that we have a choice of what kind of weather or area we want to experience. Unlike, for example, the majority of Russia. or Greenland. Kudos too you peeps who can live in Alaska ... On Th

RE: the bridge to nowhere

, 2008 3:45 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: the bridge to nowhere If you look at this on Google maps - *http://tinyurl.com/5ql7y5 Then it seems like a no-brainer to build a bridge... **Yeah, bridge to nowhere isn't quite a fair label looking at the map. **But is there something wrong with

Re: the bridge to nowhere

On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Vivec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now that's planning and management of funds for you isn't it. > > Just what you want to see in a commander in chief. AFAIK, neither Obama of McCain supported this bridge? Or do you mean Bush supported it? -Cameron ~

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Now that's planning and management of funds for you isn't it. Just what you want to see in a commander in chief. 2008/9/11 Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and > flat enough to build? > Definitely pretty insane not to ha

Re: the bridge to nowhere

Just a guess, but I bet the same people paid for the airport that paid for the bridge. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:56 AM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and > flat enough to build? > Definitely pretty insane not to

Re: the bridge to nowhere

Great point. I assume it's the largest piece of land around convenient and flat enough to build? Definitely pretty insane not to have added a bridge to the budget if they insisted on building on an island. On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 7:22 AM, Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I think the

Re: the bridge to nowhere

I smell pork. 2008/9/11 Cameron Childress <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think the real question is, who paid for the airport? And why was a > decision made not to build a bridge when the airport was built? > > I mean, building an airport in a hard to reach place and then > insisting that the federal g

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I think the real question is, who paid for the airport? And why was a decision made not to build a bridge when the airport was built? I mean, building an airport in a hard to reach place and then insisting that the federal govt build you a bridge to get to it,*is* a little fishy sounding. Depend

Re: the bridge to nowhere

If you look at this on Google maps - *http://tinyurl.com/5ql7y5 Then it seems like a no-brainer to build a bridge... **Yeah, bridge to nowhere isn't quite a fair label looking at the map. **But is there something wrong with just keeping the ferry as transport or is it a convenience factor? Asking

the bridge to nowhere

The infamous bridge to nowhere. So, if you ever fly into ketchikan airport, you can't go outside and walk around the town of ketchikan, because you are out in the ocean on a tiny island. You have to take a FERRY from the airport on Gravina Island to the city of ketchikan. The bridge would be crea

Re: Is The "Bridge To Nowhere" Back?

those dirty rats On 4/21/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Today's WSJ: > > Mr. Lewis refers to the $233 million earmark for a "Bridge to Nowhere" > project to connect Ketchikan to an island of 50 residents, but he > doesn't say what happened to it. According to a Toledo Blade > editor

Is The "Bridge To Nowhere" Back?

Today's WSJ: It's nice to hear from Rep. Jerry Lewis (R., Calif.) that the House Appropriations Committee is making progress in cutting discretionary spending. If only we could take his words at face value, as members of Congress are notorious for making things appear as they aren't. Mr. Lewis re