Bill,
I'm a bit baffled by this still. Does anyone listening in have any idea?
I'm still toying with the problem with the localhost reference in the URL
attribute. Theoretically, if you point the URL back to the local server --
127.0.0.1 it should be able to locate the action page. If it works w
I would use a tag and do it in fusebox. Also I would make a similar tag
around your navigation using CFASSOCIATE in a nested tag. This would give
you a dynamic structure for your navigation and you can get rid of all the
messy td tags. Also I would use html DIV tags with pixel attributes to
mak
whoops I forgot a tag in app_globals
so app_globals should look like this:
<---app_globals.cfm--->
Here is the tag I forgot:
<---act_formURL2Attributes.cfm--->
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From: "Kevin Queen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Cold Fusion"
I had similar problems. After much frustration I found that somewhere along
the line SQL Server ignores the DBVARNAME parameter, so parameters are
passed in the order they are given. Thus the first CFPROCPARAM is passed as
the first sp parameter, etc, regardless of any DBVARNAME settings. I suspec
Hi folks,
I have a problem with a query where i don't know how to group the retrieved
records.
There are four tables involved in this query (hope you can ignore the german
declarations):
1. table: eintraege (the important one)
- id (counter)
- fzg_typ_id (integer)
- hersteller_id (integer)
- ber
Glen Collymore wrote:
> So I'm developing a real simple quiz application,(NT4, IIS, SP5) It seems to
> work fine in Netscape,
> but not in IE.
>
> Specifically, I have a short form with demographic info on the quiz
> participant. When the user goes to
> update the form, the addedit template act
Patric,
> My problem is that I don't really want the retrieved records to be ordered
> like stated in the ORDER BY-clause but to be grouped by these
> fields so that
> the output could look like this:
>
> {Heading} f_name1 / h_name3 / t_name9
> {entry 1}
> {entry 2}
> {entry 3}
> {Heading}
Hello,
Does anybody know when Allaire will port coldfusion server to Solaris 8?
thanks,
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Hi all,
Does anyone know of any CFX tags that will list processes running on an
NT server please?
Cheers
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Well Stephen,
if you were here I would kiss your feet. Worked almost as you described but
I had to alter the expression for combining the name-fields in the query
like this:
fzg_typ.name + ' | ' + hersteller.name + ' | ' + teilebereich.name AS
header_name
I think the next I post my questions ea
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Does anyone no of any good reference material to assist in developing a =
cf based wap enabled web applicati
I am attending the Conference in November and am looking for recommendations for
accomodations. Is $210 a reasonable rate? Are there other hotels I should consider?
John
Visit www.cfworkshop.com
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I don't pretend to speak for Allaire, but my impression is that any serious
web developer should upgrade from CF Express to 'the real deal' instead of
using my 'hack.' I wrote a simular article for CFDJ concerning using custom
tags for Express. I consider both articles to be more of a "here's an
i
8 Hours?naw should move to the UK only have 3 hours to go... :-)
Adam Reynolds
ColdFusion Consultant
HJ Heinz
Tel: 01344 397016 Fax: 01344 397010
Mobile: 07973 386620
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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We've been running Client Access Express for some time now and have had no
problems with memory leaks or any other type of problem. Compared to SQL
Server, we have never had any connectivity or performance issues with DB2/400
(and I'm no AS400 wiz). When it comes to scalability and performance
Has anyone found a stable and fast alternative to CFPOP, its evident that
CFPOP isn't ready for high volume use. Thanks
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three? I've just come back from the pub and everyone's gone!!
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From: Reynolds, Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 26 May 2000 13:25
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Cf express and sessions
8 Hours?naw should move to the UK only have 3 hours to go... :-)
Ada
Well the same thing can be done as:
=== _template.cfm ===
=
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
---
Oh hey, my company was just bought out by British Telecom - I wonder if that
means that I can knock off earlier. ;)
Ok, I'll stop now before being admonished to move to
cf-soapbox/cf-community. :)
===
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Couldn't this be shortened to:
<---app_globals.cfm--->
<---index.cfm--->
==
Note: you would need to use the cfswitch if you were calling different
customtags based on the attributes.somesttribute value.
??
E
From: "Sean Renet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 25 May 20
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> thanks, but does that mean that inserts into other tables
> which uses the
> identity key are also blocked during this period, since it
> can't update
> @@IDENTITY ??
The "magic" of MSSQL server ensures that @@IDENTITY will always work
the way it
I did something similar using cfmodule.
Then, set up your navigation tables once, with the dynamic parts as
variables set based on the section passed.
Make sense?
-d
Deanna Schneider
Interactive Media Developer
UWEX Cooperative E
I use te function #encryt(var)# to encrypt a variable ...and I store it in
an access database ..It's working fine but once in a while I get a sql error
because the string I store contains characters that bugs my sql query
I can I fix it?
or what caracters should I not use in a query?
John,
I'm sure you can find better deals. The conference hotel is right on the
Metro, so you can stay almost anywhere in DC. Heck, for $200 I'll rent you
my apartment which is only 6 blocks from the conference.
Mike
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Hi,
If you are running your own mail server : iMS from CoolFusion.com
Connecting to a remote server look at cfx_imap in the tag gallery
~Justin MacCarthy
Jason Clark wrote:
>
> Has anyone found a stable and fast alternative to CFPOP, its evident that
> CFPOP isn't ready for high volume use. Th
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Hi,
I am having a problem using Cold Fusion with directories using NT's =
basic authentication. We have ap
Okay, let me re-state my question of yesterday.
I have the results of a query printing out like so:
Side By Side Results
Stand Age: #standage# Year
Total Trials
Variety
Yield
#totaltrials#
#variety#
#avgyield#
Notice that I'm using the implicit loops that occur with .
The problem is,
This might best be done within the SQL statement . Can you give us a little
more detail about the table and what fields need to be divided by what?
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From: Deanna L. Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: gr
If you want to list services we have a freeware tag that allows you to list,
stop and start services. You can get it from www.CoolFusion.com
Regards,
Howie Hamlin
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What are the errors? Are they 401's?
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You may find that the server is executing the files and not the 'logged' in
user. You may have to set the server to execute those files as the logged in
user. Unsure how, but think there is a setting somewhere for this in NT.
Adam Reynolds
ColdFusion Consultant
HJ Heinz
Tel: 01344 397016 Fax:
This might best be done within the SQL statement . Can you give us a little
more detail about the table and what fields need to be divided by what?
Okay, you asked for it. The SQL is a total mess. It's an access database
that someone else designed. So, here's the sql (don't anyone yell at me
a
I always stayed in Rockville on Rockville Pike at an
inexpensive hotel (Capitol something?) 2 blocks South of
the US Nuclear Regulatory Commission HQ, which is
across the street from a metro station. It caters
to government/military who don't have large travel
budgets.
best, paul
At 09:12 AM 5
yup, 401s
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From: Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Cold Fusion and NT Passwords
> What are the errors? Are they 401's?
>
> Howie Hamlin
> --
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I think you are right about cold fusion executing the files and not the
user. So you think this is an NT dilemna? --of course, since I'm stronger
in CF than NT :)
Laura
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From: Reynolds, Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:02
In IE, the menu item View/Refresh will refresh the window AND PRESERVE THE
SCROLL POINT. Is there any way to accomplish the same thing via
JavaScript? I've tried calling RELOAD, and I've tried resetting
SELF.LOCATION, but neither of these methods preserves the scroll point.
Any ideas?
Ideally,
After you encrypt the variable, convert it to base 64 before storing in the
database... unfortunately the function to do this, ToBase64, is only
available in CF 4.5.
To encrypt, use
and then when comparing later, use...
HTHAL
Nick
At 08:59 26/05/00 -0400, you wrote:
>I use te fu
No yelling - but can you explain what you want as a final result, based on
these queries?
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From: Deanna L. Schneider [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: grouping with math functions
This might best be done
Sorry to keep beating this search horse but there really is a lack of decent
documentation.
I'll try to compress all my questions into this one mail.
Anyhow I'm using Verity to do database searches. I have about 8 collections
that I can search from or do a full site (all catalog) search. I use
Try something like this.
>
>
> #totaltrials#
> #variety#
> #avgyield#
#trialpercent# %
>
Is that what you are trying to do?
You can also use the NumberFormat(trialpercent, arg). You will want to look
it up to see how to set it to 1 or 2 decimal places.
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From: Dea
I was using CFPOP on a mailbox to download over 1000 messages a day to an Access
Database. It was running as a sch. task every 15 mins., and half the time it
would get an unknown error, unknown exception. I contacted Allaire support and
worked with them for over a week. Then they sent me an upda
Hi Jason,
I have definitely had my share of problems with CFPOP. Allaire has made
some improvements to it in ColdFusion 4.5 and 4.51 though.
I also use CFX_iiPOP3, which was a $99 custom tag which I found on the
Allaire developers exchange. It isn't perfect either, but it was definitely
more r
What I want is the to get all the trials that have BOTH variety 1 and
variety 2 (chosen by the user) and that also meet the state and year
criteria (also chosen by the user). Then, I need to determine the average
yield by variety, and figure out the percent of variety one, by variety two
for each
Thanks Dave. Is there any default setting in CF Administrator we should be
aware of which may compromise security?
Bob Smith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Watts) wrote:
> Is anyone aware of the minimum permissions to be granted to
> the directories housing cfm files(ie read,script,execute etc.)
> at b
At 08:31 AM 5/26/00 -0400, Jason Clark wrote:
>Has anyone found a stable and fast alternative to CFPOP, its evident that
>CFPOP isn't ready for high volume use. Thanks
Can you provide some more details on your CFPOP problems? How is it
failing? What version of CF are you running, and on which
I might add that I was having problems with 4.5.1. The new .dll was newer then
4.5.1.
I was using CFPOP on a mailbox to download over 1000 messages a day to an Access
Database. It was running as a sch. task every 15 mins., and half the time it
would get an unknown error, unknown exception. I c
At 10:28 AM 5/26/00 -0400, you wrote:
>ok question 2:
>Is there a decent way to allow a user to search on the search results?
I don't know if this is decent, but use Verity to
get a list of record IDs.
Then use the DB to scan those records (or use
M$ SQL7 full text search), and display results.
Hi,
I love DC. Try the Official Tourism Website of DC -
search accomodations by price, and by location (DC, MD, VA)
http://www.washington.org/planning/stay_search.html
> I am attending the Conference in November and am looking for recommendations for
>accomodations. Is $210 a reasonabl
You should use the SQL to grab the variable
SELECT SUM(fieldname) WHERE variety = 'parameter' AS variabletouse
which is much easier than building a lot of constructs to loop and total the
data. hmm which makes me wonder can you do:
SELECT AVERAGE(fieldname) WHERE var = 'param' AS soandso
If form
BTW i think if you put an INDEX in the CFOUTPUT then it will tell you which
number of the loop you are on... See a reference for more info...
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From: Deanna L. Schneider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: grouping
Hi,
I'm having a heck of a time getting one particular Stored
Procedure to work with CF and Oracle. I keep getting a
"ORA-01036 Illegal Variable Name/Number" error. This works
just fine from SQL*Plus, but from CF all I get is the error.
Here's the code I'm using to invoke the SP:
Sure, it can be shortened. However, Sean was giving you an example of
Fusebox style programming.
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The Sistonia Corporation
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> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Dawson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
Jeff,
You need some way of checking to see if the file exists, such as this:
Does CFMAIL still restrict you to 40 email address? If so, what's the work
around.
Thanks,
Katie
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Also you may want to look at some of the hotels in Maryland or Virgina.
With the DC Metro System relatively close to the hotel, it may be an
advantage to stay somewhat further away.
larry
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How do we do the following:
Create a fixed ASCII text file with .
How do you specify the picture or format length for a given
column?
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I posted this problem to the list several days ago but got no response.
Turns, out I've found a workaround to the problem - see transcript between
myself and colleague who had the problem below. Might be useful for some of
you working on clustered intranet/extranet scenarios with sites co
Does Express support custom tags? If so, there are a couple
(cfx_delimtoquery is one) that do this from a local file.
Cfx_delimtoquery can't pull files from remote servers via http, however.
Jim
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I'm not sure that there is a limit per say on how many can go out at once,
however I do know that CFMAIL is known to be fairly flaky.
How many emails do you need to send out at once?
Do you have access to your own mail server?
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Oh yea! I'm glad to hear that what I'm trying to do is actually complex, and
it's not just my work-fried brain. ;)
Thanks for the help. I'll see where it gets me.
-d
Deanna Schneider
Interactive Media Developer
UWEX Cooperative Exte
Make sure that your CF Server service is running with the correct security
permissions to access those files.
For example, if you installed it with all defaults and were logged in as the
Administrator at the time, you can let "SYSTEM" have full control to all
those files without affecting your cl
Hi,
I'm having a heck of a time getting one particular Stored
Procedure to work with CF and Oracle. I keep getting a
"ORA-01036 Illegal Variable Name/Number" error. This
works
just fine from SQL*Plus, but from CF all I get is the
error.
Here's the code I'm using to invoke the
Map a network drive to the remote server. Then, setup a mapping in the CF
Server Administrator to that mapped network drive. It should work fine from
there.
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Hi!
Sorry to ask this, but does anyone know how you can automatically =
shutdown
in Win98 and Win2000 witho
DOCUMENT all your settings. Remove CF 4.5 Enterprise, load the Pro edition.
You might or might not have to setup all those settings again, but so long
as you have documentation, you have nothing to worry about.
---mark
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I use the following code to kill session variables.
#StructClear(session)#
If, by chance, a user tries to backup, all they are going to see is the same
thing that they saw before the hit the logout button. If they try to do
anything else, my security logic kicks them back to the login page.
Mark,
Unfortunately, I inherited this installation so am not sure if it was
installed with all defaults but I assume so. I do know that it had to be
installed as Administrator.
Am I setting the security within CF Server or NT? If it's CF, I'll need
some specific info as I'm relatively new to C
Katie,
I think that restriction still stands, however, I don't find it to be a
problem at all. The actual restriction is just that you can't have 40 email
addresses AT THE SAME TIME in TO="" field. The restriction doesn't apply if
you use QUERY= and just output the email addresses from a query
I think there's a little confusion here. There may be some restriction to
the number of email addresses allowed in the to: field, but that's of no
consequence as you can use cfmail in conjunction with a query to iterate
over many email addresses and send one email, with one recipient in the to:
fi
You're pretty much on your own. CFFILE provides just simple means of
modifying and working with files within the file system. For fixed width
columns, I usually use the LeftJustify() function, something like:
If the file is relatively small, construct the whole file in m
Thanks Steve, that's exactly what I wanted to do, my email addresses are
stored in a table, and I was going to base the cfmail on the results of the
query.
Answers my question. Now I can start the holiday weekend early with a clear
conscience!
Katie
-Original Message-
From: Steve Marti
create a virtual directory in IIS, point it to a "different machine" (an
option in the create VD screen), and use a UNC to tell it where to look.
mapping a drive will only work if you map is as the service in whose context
the CF server runs.
Chris Olive,
DOEHRS Website Administrator
-Orig
RE: Cold Fusion and NT PasswordsNous avons de gros projets en cours pour
faire une v2 du site Rue Du Commerce. Je ne souhaite pas polluer cette liste
géniale, mais si vous etes interessé, je cherche un tres bon developpeur,
sur Paris Nord, un an d'experience cold fusion pour des projets dans une
b
> MS made sure that @@IDENTITY is maintain per table & per connection.
um thats per connection.
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Thanks for your help, but I have resolved this.
My virtual directory worked fine I just could not get CF server to
process .cfm files located on the other machine.
My fix:
Under services in the NT control Panel,
I selected Cold fusion application server
in the "Log In As" portion of the dialog box
I was presuming there would be more than one base template in different
cfcases and wanted to show him how it would look, but yes if there was only
one template it would not need a cfswitch.
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday,
Keep in mind that CF is executed on the server, and JavaScript doesn't get
executed until the page is sent to the browser. So JavaScript variables
aren't available to CF at run time. The best way (though there are more
elegant solutions) would be to grab the JavaScript variables, then pass them
fantatic. glad you fixed it.
one problem.
that's a BIG security hole. with CF running as the admin account, if
someone compromises an app, they have COMPLETE access to your system.
Chris Olive,
DOEHRS Website Administrator
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From: malcolm mcatee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTE
Cold Fusion and NT PasswordsNous avons de gros projets en cours pour
faire une v2 du site Rue Du Commerce. Je ne souhaite pas polluer cette liste
géniale, mais si vous etes interessé, je cherche un tres bon developpeur,
sur Paris Nord, un an d'experience cold fusion pour des projets dans une
boite
> I'm running a loop over a query . I don't have
> anything to
> output in the loop and I can't get the whitespace out of the
> final output. I
> have enlosed the entire page in cfenablecfoutputonly but it seems
> like cold
> fusion treats the loop like .
>
> Any help would be appreciated (as
Ce ne pas une intrusion.
Si vous êtes disposé à relocate (Comment dis donc relocate en Français?)
qq'n a Paris Nord. J'irai.
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Katrina Chapman
Consultant
Ameriquest Mortgage
> Sorry to ask this, but does anyone know how you can automatically
> shutdown in Win98 and Win2000 without having to go thru' that
> radio button selection panel?
In NT/2K, you can do this from the command line using SHUTDOWN.EXE, which
comes with the NT and 2K resource kits.
Dave Watts, CTO, F
Is there some way to get your coldfusion app to recognize a web address?
i.e., this is what I would like to do in the app:
The text goes into a memo field in the access database normally. When the
message is displayed through the app, and if it finds the text 'http:\\'
anywhere in the field, it
Give http://www.wapuseek.com/ a try, they've got some sample code too.
There's also a CF-WAP list...although it's been kinda slow lately:
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Mark,
Adding the "SYSTEM" user in NT worked!!! Thank you VERY much.
I've only been on this mailing list 3 days, and it's great :)
Laura
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Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: Cold Fusion and
i SHOULD PROBABLY CREATE A CF_USER ACCOUNT
THAT HAS READ ONLY RIGHTS?
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Subject: RE: IIS,Virtual Directorys and CF?
fantatic. glad you fixed it.
Hi CF_friends,
How do I make the Cursor Default to the First Input Field as soon as a form
is requested. I used the tabindex='1' attribute but it still defaults to
the browser URL Address box.
Thanks
sam
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#string#
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From: Curt Makepeace [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 11:57 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Parsing text in memo field to recognize web addresses
Is there some way to get your coldfusion app to recognize a
document.forms[0].elements[0].focus()
will do it first for first form ,first field
~Justin MacCarthy
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From: sam komolafe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:19 PM
Subject: How do you make the Cursor Default to the First Input Field
Hi,
I remember when I learned this one at a Figleaf CFUG from a very enthusiastic Dave
Watts -
where 'realname' is the name of your input field, i.e.
Thanks, Dave.
> How do I make the Cursor Default to the First Input Field as soon as
You should _never_ use this code. It may work to log you out, but if your
using CF 4.5, the server will throw an error next time you try to set a
session var. Before 4.5, StructClear would not touch the 'special' Session
vars that CF uses to identify you. With CF 4.5 and higher, StructClear will
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I recently posted a question about Microsoft sourcesafe and did not get an
answer. I am taking this to
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I have a small 2 table relational DB that I need to insert values into, =
the main table has some customer
On Fri, 26 May 2000 11:19:11 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Hi CF_friends,
>
>How do I make the Cursor Default to the First Input Field as soon as
>a form
>is requested. I used the tabindex='1' attribute but it still
>defaults to
>the browser URL Address box.
>
>Thanks
>sam
>
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Allaire was using Sourcesafe.
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From: Elizabeth Marcotte KJ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 2:36 PM
To: cf-talk@houseoffusion. com
Subject: Source Control
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Elizabeth,
If you want good source control and deployment follow this link:
http://www.interwoven.com/products/teamsite/
VSS is good but TeamSite is very good.
-JR
Hello Everyone,
I recently posted a question about Microsoft sourcesafe and did not get an
answer. I am taking this to mean not
This one will do it, if it is like a paragraph, and the URL is in the middle
of it.
#left(string, "#thestart#" - 1)# #theurl#
#mid(string, "#theend#", "#remainder#")#
#string#
-Original Message-
From: Curt M
> i.e., this is what I would like to do in the app:
> The text goes into a memo field in the access database normally. When the
> message is displayed through the app, and if it finds the text 'http:\\'
> anywhere in the field, it will add the 'a href' syntax to that string to
> make the link 'cli
IF's are always going to be slower than switch's (or so I have been told).
And the docs use a switch so I figure I should as well :-P
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From: "Eric Dawson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 5:34 AM
Subject: Re: Site Design Question
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