Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
I'm coming into this thread late, and it may well have been covered before
(in which case just ignore the ravings of an antipodean lunatic). ... but
.
Please
Kear [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 6:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
I'm coming into this thread late, and it may well have been covered before
(in which case just ignore the ravings of an antipodean lunatic). ... but
.
Please
Anybody using these stupendous dhtml libraries that rival the
functionality and ease of flashforms? I'd be interested in a link.
Thanks.
DRE
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 10:51:39 +1100, Stephen Cowling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does anyone know if Macromedia have plans to allow skinning of the
flash
sites using the new Flash foms?
Does anyone know if Macromedia have plans to allow skinning of the flash
forms?
ie. I agree with others who say they won't mesh with existing html forms in
the UI. So why can't we skin the flash forms to look like HTML??
I'd be all over flash forms if this happens
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Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 6:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Does anyone know if Macromedia have plans to allow skinning of the flash
forms?
ie. I agree with others who say they won't mesh with existing html forms in
the UI. So
Does anyone know if Macromedia have plans to allow skinning of the
flash forms?
ie. I agree with others who say they won't mesh with existing html forms
in the UI. So why can't we skin the flash forms to look like HTML??
I'd be all over flash forms if this happens. As it is, I'll be heading
: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:14 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
No you read, want you want to read. I didn't say that :)
I meant that the learning curve of Flash forms is very low, and thus
providing beginning users a better starting point
:15 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Check out some simple examples in the Getting Started Snippets Explorer
http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/gettingstarted/experience/index_content.cfm
The Business Card app/form, the Travel search form, the Outlook Calendar
mockup and a few
Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 17:43
Sent: woensdag 16 februari 2005 8:29
Modern Media, Making You Interact Smarter. Onze oplossingen verbeteren
de interactie met uw doelgroep.
If we keep this thread going maybe I can learn a little more Dutch . . . :-)
George
they
load quick, I'll use them.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
thats so lame micha!
the funny thing is ppl that that talk like that make the UGLIEST web
apps
and weaknesses of Flash Forms. In doing so it
allows people like Mike to hear what we have to say. Communication.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:54 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
that what you said
them right away. I like them, but their too slow. When they
load quick, I'll use them.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
thats so lame micha!
the funny
Let me rephrase that.. (it's still early)
Why would you use something just because of the year?
Many factors are weighed before a product is chosen, I think date
should be the very least of concern heh..
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:30:08 -0600, Greg Morphis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
if you cant see
Ray is not the end all be all.
*sobs openly*
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Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com
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Some days you are the tree.
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I see flash forms, and that is just a personal view of it; as a tool
providing developers who are unexperienced with domscripting, with quick
results but against the price of consistency, and usability.
You truly are missing the point of Flash forms, and I still think you're
insulting a whole
What happens when you need something that is not offered in the CFML
Flash forms, but could be done within straight Flash forms? If it
happened to me, I'd just make it in the straight ones, if it
happened to an inexperienced person who may not be capable of learning
Flash(at least in a timely
I also don't see why you pay the price of consistency and *especially*
usability with Flash forms, but that's an argument for another day I suppose.
I completely agree with Matt, and would like to add that consistency
(either on the UI or code side) is definitely not a strong point of
complex
Micha,
Where are they available?
Walt
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From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:22 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
For the ones who like javascript components, I developed some, freely
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From: Sparrow-Hood, Walter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 16 februari 2005 16:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Micha,
Where are they available?
Walt
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Discover CFTicket
dang, it's only the first version, least MM is putting new features in.
From: Bryan F. Hogan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:26 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
I don't think
also, lets not forget the other part of the new formsxml
From: Matt Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:01 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
I see flash forms
them right away. I like them, but their too slow. When they
load quick, I'll use them.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:29 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
thats so lame micha!
the funny
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Dave, Ray is not the end all be all. Ray has plusses and minuses just like
the rest of us. But I do not feel that Mecha was in any way implying that
Ray doesn't know what he is doing.
You're right, you use what is right for the job. We are not arguing
the last link throws a bunch of js errors on firefox
From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
www.mschopman.demon.nl
Dave, what errors do you get. It is FireFox compatible, and is used in
production where FireFox users use her. I don't get any errors here :)
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Dave you have a style of writing that could easily be mis-interpreted.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
not saying he is just used him as an example because he
@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Dave you have a style of writing that could easily be mis-interpreted.
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 4:01 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms
Actually I would say that isn't the case. A field is a field. The
Flash versions look a bit sleaker, but they aren't radical departures
from the norm. Take a look at the output and I think you will agree. A
text field looks like a text field. A drop down looks like a drop
down. The only things
2005 13:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Actually I would say that isn't the case. A field is a field. The
Flash versions look a bit sleaker, but they aren't radical departures
from the norm. Take a look at the output and I think you will agree. A
text field looks like
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 13:58
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Actually I would say
: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
If you don't like the way CF generates the forms in Flash get Flex or
open up your Flash IDE.
-Adam
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:13:12 +0100, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Our customers do :) A colleague tried it, and one of the first
suggestions
there isn't a single person who provided good arguments for
the use of Flash forms
Right, and on the other hand, there are many users complaining that the form
does not have the look'n feel they are used to. And this stands for Java
applets as well.
--
Get Flex? Umno.
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From: Adrocknaphobia [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:18 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
If you don't like the way CF generates the forms in Flash get Flex or
open up your Flash IDE.
-Adam
Agreed
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From: Claude Schneegans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:25 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
there isn't a single person who provided good arguments for
the use of Flash forms
Right, and on the other
But why? ... there isn't a single person who provided good arguments for
the use of Flash forms :)
There actually have been a couple of good arguments--perhaps you don't agree
with them, and you wouldn't choose to use them (no matter what, it sounds
like), but there have been a couple of very
A simple form with only four fields isn't a particularly compelling
candidate to replace with a Flash form, and even Macromedia will tell you
that Flash forms should not be used to replace every form. Where you have
multi-step processes and complex data entry is where Flash forms start to
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 14:50:51 +0100, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Why would I take all that time, to refactor flash forms, when you can
achieve the same, and even more with html forms :) I am really
interested in what situations would require flash forms.
Next to nothing probably. At
It remains a yes and no discussion based on personal interest and
experience :) If we look back in a couple of months, at the penetration
of flash forms, we might say something different. But for now, I don't
think flash forms has the muscles nor the performance to compete with
html forms, or
possible. Maybe it makes more sense to graphic designers.
The new CFFORM tag is a huge step in making flash forms more viable.
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, 15 February 2005 11:45
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms
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From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 16:56
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
This is a good point. I'd rather chew off my own arm than
But where is the code for tabpage? Sure you can create it elsewhere
and include it in a library - but your email here makes it seem like
JS is _just_ as easy as cfform dev. With your sample below you have to
develop the library first.
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 17:17:39 +0100, Micha Schopman
[EMAIL
available open source. Without the loading problems that Flash has.
-Original Message-
From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:43 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
But where is the code for tabpage? Sure you can create
I'm not denying that libraries exist - just that his example wasn't
100% fair. It did not take into account the finding and testing of the
library. In the case of Flash Forms - at least in CFMX7 - it is rolled
in. Just trying to be fair, thats all.
-r
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:49:09 -0500, Bryan F.
Good Lord
If you don't want/like to use Flash forms...then don't use them.
If you do want/like to use Flash forms...then use them.
This is tunring into the which is better, CF, ASP or PHP debate.
No I'm taking my ball and going home. :-p
--
Scott Stroz
Boyzoid.com
To answer your question as to which is best, it would be JSP ;)
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:57:03 -0500, Scott Stroz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good Lord
If you don't want/like to use Flash forms...then don't use them.
If you do want/like to use Flash forms...then use them.
This is tunring
This is tunring into the which is better, CF, ASP or PHP debate.
To answer your question as to which is best, it would be JSP ;)
Wow, you actually picked the worst of the four!
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf Software provides the highest caliber
Just figured I'd list one that he did not list.
I like these debates, sometimes they make me aware of things I was not
overly aware of. Such as a couple of things available already done in
dhtml
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 12:18:04 -0500, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is tunring into the
Octal Absolute Never trust a program that translates code from one
form nto another! :)
On Feb 15, 2005, at 9:18 AM, Dave Watts wrote:
This is tunring into the which is better, CF, ASP or PHP debate.
To answer your question as to which is best, it would be JSP ;)
Wow, you actually
I don't understand why we can't just use XML and ECMAScript for
everything...
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From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 12:53 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Octal Absolute Never trust a program
Gotta love how these threads take shape and how they branch. Considering
that the forms feature in CF is near and dear I thought I would jump in.
There are 3 things that I've seen this thread cover,
1) Blank screen, We've had reports about this and narrowed it down to 3
things (2 are
Mike Nimer wrote:
The main thing we tried to solve with the new form features is the division
of presentation and form logic. We wanted to get rid of all that html you
have to code to wrap your form. The font tags, the table tags, the table
cells, the label tags, and so on and so on.
Who
to get this type of css working right.
And to do anything more then a simple vertical layout. Although it is
doable.
---nimer
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From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:48 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new
Well, I tried to run one of the flash Accordion group pages that I
saw on the CF Forums... I think you wrote a response to that, Mike..
and I just got a blank screen. By accident, I found all I had to do
was preceed that cfform with:
cfform format=flash
/cfform
Then the second accordion type
and have to hack the bejesus outta it to get it to work with ie5
From: Jochem van Dieten [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 3:52 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Mike Nimer wrote
PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Gotta love how these threads take shape and how they branch. Considering
that the forms feature in CF is near and dear I thought I would jump in.
There are 3 things that I've seen this thread cover,
1
Back on topic.. As the subject line says any sites using the new Flash
forms?
I would like to see some and judge myself using different browsers,
operating systems, etc.
Thanks in advance,
Dave
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Check out some simple examples in the Getting Started Snippets Explorer
http://127.0.0.1/CFIDE/gettingstarted/experience/index_content.cfm
The Business Card app/form, the Travel search form, the Outlook Calendar mockup
and a few others are there installed with CFMX7.
If anyone would like to
have to
look into that.
You'll need the CFFORM tag (without format attribute) for the html forms as
well, if you want to use javascript validation we generate too.
hth,
---nimer
-Original Message-
From: Larry White
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 2/15/2005 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
making forms in flash is pretty friggin easy not mention the validation just
kicks azz!
where did u see the best of blackstone list at? i musta missed it but was
always curious.
From: Mike Nimer [EMAIL
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
making forms in flash is pretty friggin easy not mention the validation just
kicks azz!
where did u see the best of blackstone list at? i musta missed it but was
always curious
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From: Raymond Camden [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 17:43
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
But where is the code for tabpage? Sure you can create
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From: Aaron Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: dinsdag 15 februari 2005 18:13
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Just figured I'd list one that he did not list.
I like these debates, sometimes they make me aware of things I
From: Micha Schopman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 2:24 AM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
You can include the library. Any person with some knowledge of
javascript is able to do this. If you don't even know
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From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 16 februari 2005 8:29
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
thats so lame micha
-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: RE: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
What are you saying? ...
Micha Schopman
Software Engineer
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 033-4535388
KvK Amersfoort 39081679, Rabo 39.48.05.380
Links appreciated.
Hard to believe, but I couldn't find any samples (or demos)of the actual forms
at the Macromedia site. (I'm not talking about their flash demos - I'm talking
about actual forms that can be submitted). I'm mostly interested in how quickly
they load, because they seem VERY
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Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 3:45 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Links appreciated.
Hard to believe, but I couldn't find any samples (or demos)of the actual
forms at the Macromedia site. (I'm not talking about their flash demos - I'm
talking about actual
personally, i would sure like too see all the entries from the contest,
supposedly some amazing stuff was done.
From: Irvin Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 4:48 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Any sites using
Subject: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Links appreciated.
Hard to believe, but I couldn't find any samples (or demos)of the actual
forms at the Macromedia site. (I'm not talking about their flash demos - I'm
talking about actual forms that can be submitted). I'm mostly interested in
how
I'm mostly interested in how quickly they load, because they seem
VERY slow on my development machine.
They are very slow on ANY machine. Just visit the custom tag gallery on
MM site, and you have an example.
--
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REUSE CODE! Use custom tags;
See
Thanks, Claude.
(and I'm not even beginning to investigate why a chart that worked perfectly
fine on MX 6.2 now crashes Coldfusion 7!!!)
Irvin
I'm mostly interested in how quickly they load, because they seem
VERY slow on my development machine.
They are very slow on ANY machine. Just visit
A complex Flash Form is a bit slow to load. Then again - in my testing
the complex flash form was replacing 4 different pages. This meant a
total time smaller then the previous vanilla form version. I think the
initial hit then is acceptible.
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 17:10:49 -0400, Irvin Gomez
I don't know what to tell you, Raymond, because my experience is completely
different.
In my testing, a simple form with, say, 4 text inputs plus a submit button will
take quite a bit to load (when it loads - it often requires a page refresh).
This is a serious issue, because non-technical
4 text inputs plus a submit button will take quite a bit to load
This is the worse case indeed, because even if you use only ONE field,
you still have a complete library to load.
When it replaces a hudge HTML form, the overhead may be worth, but in
most cases it is much slower.
--
In my testing, a simple form with, say, 4 text inputs plus a submit
button will take quite a bit to load (when it loads - it often
requires a page refresh).
A simple form with only four fields isn't a particularly compelling candidate
to replace with a Flash form, and even Macromedia will
Thanks, Matt.
I agree with you that a 4-field form is not something to worry about (but that
was just an example of how EVEN a small form was quite slow).
I'm beginning to get the idea that Flash fomrs in Coldfusion 7 are just a
specialty item (not the best choice for every form), with buggy
: Any sites using the new Flash foms?
Thanks, Matt.
I agree with you that a 4-field form is not something to worry about (but
that was just an example of how EVEN a small form was quite slow).
I'm beginning to get the idea that Flash fomrs in Coldfusion 7 are just a
specialty item (not the best
Except that it's desirable for an app to have a consistent look and feel for
users. My impression is that Flash forms look, and behave, a bit different
from std html.
Dave Merrill
In my testing, a simple form with, say, 4 text inputs plus a submit
button will take quite a bit to load (when
Thanks, Matt.
I agree with you that a 4-field form is not something to worry about
(but that was just an example of how EVEN a small form was quite slow).
Well sure, but this is really almost an economy of scale issue. You pay for
the initial hit whether you have four fields or forty
its only the 1st try remember, the upside is quite nice even if its just for
really nice validation
From: Matt Woodward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:33 PM
To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com
Subject: Re: Any sites using the new
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