I'd also like to see these, and also especially in the context of the
productivity layer.
Thanks,
Calvin
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From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:34 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX Development Speed
Ben,
Can you point
Thanks for that too Sean ;-)
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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:33:45 -0800, Bryan Stevenson
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> Can you point me to these whitepappers? I'm especially interested in how
> "CF adds a productivity layer on top of J2EE"
Check out the Seybold white paper here:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/whitepa
I have to agree with the statements that CFML makes web development
easier - coupled with a good framework (I use FB3 but intend moving to
FB4) I'm *much* more productive than my part-time PHP work, never mind
some limited Java work I've done before. I just wish I could get my 2nd
boss to move to
gt; From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:33
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CFMX Development Speed
>
> On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:19:42 +0800, James Holmes
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Tha last thing I read from Gartner
utives and managers the following
> recommendations:
>
> Align AD technology and tool strategy with Microsoft or Java - or both. The
> rest have become niche areas."
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent:
recommendations:
>
> Align AD technology and tool strategy with Microsoft or Java - or both. The
> rest have become niche areas."
>
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:33
> To: CF
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To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 8:26 AM
Subject: RE: CFMX Development Speed
> Dave,
>
> Yep, we do indeed have white papers that explain this properly. It is not
> a
> CF vs. .NET vs. J2EE debate, it is .NET vs. J2EE, and if you go the
Java/JSP programmer and a CFML
programmer?
Just an opinion...
Mark
-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:03 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX Development Speed
Here is the exact wording of various parts of the Sept
Of course I'd say 99% of VBScript development done for web purposes is
*within* ASP, but you can also use Jscript, which itself is also
confused as Javascript thus confused with client-side coding. It's all
a mess, thus the stats are junk.
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Th
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From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 11:19 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX Development Speed
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:02:41 +0800, James Holmes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is the exact wording of various parts of the September 2002
: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 4:53 PM
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: Re: CFMX Development Speed
>
>On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:40:44 +0100, Micha Schopman
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Even if that information could be misinterpreted, Macrom
On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 00:02:41 +0800, James Holmes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is the exact wording of various parts of the September 2002 paper,
> "Application Development Skill and Technology Trends":
>
September 2002?!!! That's like 1950 in non-IT years! Seriously, now
that I know the publ
.modernmedia.nl
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-Original Message-
From: James Holmes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 25 februari 2005 17:03
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CFMX Development Speed
Here is the exact wording of various parts of the September 2002 paper,
"Application Development
ves and managers the following
recommendations:
Align AD technology and tool strategy with Microsoft or Java - or both. The
rest have become niche areas."
-Original Message-
From: Dave Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, 25 February 2005 11:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFM
> Perhaps that's a misinterpreted distillation of what they really
> said? If they really said that verbatim or something close, it
> just goes to show the analyst's ignorance. Based on the above,
> they essentially said "Migrate away from languages and move
> to platforms." CF is built *on top
nothing concretebut on a current government contract I performed the
same task as some sample Java code (provided to me by folks running a new
authentication system for the govt) that took up 3-4 pages...in 6 lines of
CF code.
It's not concretebut it sure as hell shows how much faster y
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:40:44 +0100, Micha Schopman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even if that information could be misinterpreted, Macromedia has a
> problem. Many businesses have strong interest Gartner and Forrester
> research / recommendations, especially the larger organisations.
>
Oh, I'm not
Even if that information could be misinterpreted, Macromedia has a
problem. Many businesses have strong interest Gartner and Forrester
research / recommendations, especially the larger organisations.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-453537
Carabetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 25 February 2005 15:33
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CFMX Development Speed
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:19:42 +0800, James Holmes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tha last thing I read from Gartner told business managers to migrate away
> from CF, Python etc to J
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 23:19:42 +0800, James Holmes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tha last thing I read from Gartner told business managers to migrate away
> from CF, Python etc to J2EE or .NET as the others were "niche products."
>
Perhaps that's a misinterpreted distillation of what they really sai
: Re: CFMX Development Speed
>In the past there were comparisons on the web about speed of
>development comparisons between such languages. How much avg(time and
>money) it took to develop specific applications when using either one of
the languages.
>I'd like some gunpowder against manag
>In the past there were comparisons on the web about speed of development
>comparisons between such languages. How much avg(time and money) it took
>to develop specific applications when using either one of the languages.
>I'd like some gunpowder against management in their locale, that means
>mone
Today, IBM has announced a partnership with Zend, for the development of
PHP and this resulted in a discussion here on the office with the
Management Board about the advantages of web languages over traditional
J2EE, .NET development for enterprise web applications (like for ex. a
Salesforce, a Sie
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