The more I think about it, the more passing the form scope into the form
processing CFC makes sense, as long as there is no overhead for this operation.
On the other hand, I can't see a reason to pass the CGI scope into a CFC that's
designed to do site logging. It's designed to operate with the
How about a method that does "send a notification to these users".
You might pass in an array of user objects, but depending on how the
rest of your app is set up, you might well be passing a recordset.
You could write also it so that you'd notify each user individually
(separate method call), an
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:30:25 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
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> I guess I have to see more CFCs. The ones I've seen 'assume' that server,
> application, session, and client exist and do not have to be passed in.
I would classify those as "not good practice".
> I usually even see
It all boils down to how much you value encapsulation. I think it's
worth it, but that's just me. I hate testing code, so the more
isolated each bit of code is the better. I also work on
constant-development apps, so it's not a "build it and let it run"
type thing, I'm constantly making changes.
I guess when I think about what I would be doing I can only think of
procesing individual rows in the query not doing in processing to the
query itself...I can understand returning a query I use that plenty of
places... But thats kind of what i am getting at, when it comes to
pasing in a query, if
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...I guess I have to see more CFCs. The ones I've seen 'assume' that server,
...application, session, and client exist and do not have to be passed in. I
...usually even see
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 14:30:37 -0800, Adam Haskell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When do you passa query to a CFC? I would think you would pass an
> object the has a query set in it maybe but a complete Query? I mean I
> am sure there are valid reason but none are coming to mind :)
Why are you surpri
I guess I have to see more CFCs. The ones I've seen 'assume' that server,
application, session, and client exist and do not have to be passed in. I
usually even see request.DSN 'assumed' into the form. In your example (I see
what your saying about the form processing CFC) this would fail as no
requ
I think that realistically, there's always a time to break the
rules... even if you follow them to the letter 99% of the time.
Granted, saying "I will ALWAYS pass a query into this CFC" is just
begging for someone to change the rules. Unless you're writing a query
parser for some specfic purpose. O
I echo what Barney saidbut i also see a valid point in what
Micheal is saying i thinkif I have a CFC called form_validator.cfc
I should be able to use it on a form...but I think that kinda defeats
some of the concepts that CFC are supposed to be used for...its like
making a CSS class RedHea
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:07:50 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
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> This is where I disagree with the whole OO approach and what people consider
> no nos. I know that the form processor CFC always processes a form. I know
> that a form will only be posted as a form, never as an URL. I
Actually, you usually DO pass in server, application, session, and
client variables into a CFC. Part of encapsulation is isolation from
the environment. What if I switch from client to session variables?
Do I really want to have to go change every CFC?
Same with your form CFCs. Chances are goo
This is where I disagree with the whole OO approach and what people consider
no nos. I know that the form processor CFC always processes a form. I know
that a form will only be posted as a form, never as an URL. I know that the
CFC will only be used in a place where a form will be posted to. Why sh
> into the DB. I'm sure that a CFC depending on environmental data (CGI, Form,
> etc.) rather than explicitly passing that data in is a violation of some
> rules somewhere.
yeah it is...i think even Forta's intro to CFCs calls this a no no.
But thats more from the standpoint that it hampers reusa
When I do a query it's super tight. It only has the important data that I
want to deal with. That being said, when I pass that query it's because I
want to work with all the data. As I make more changes to the HoF site and
optimize it more under Blackstone, I'll probably change how I do things.
B
When do you passa query to a CFC? I would think you would pass an
object the has a query set in it maybe but a complete Query? I mean I
am sure there are valid reason but none are coming to mind :)
Adam H
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 16:22:30 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
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> I pass qu
I pass queries to CFCs all the time when there's a need. I don't see it as
making a mockery of CFCs.
As for debugging, it's my own state of mind. This site has over 40 includes
per page and that number makes me crazy. I like my code tight and clean and
this site is no where near that. :(
> Yes but
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:57:41 -0500, Michael Dinowitz
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> Right. That's the first option below. Looks like that's the one to go with.
> Problem is, it makes the debug look a mile long. :(
Yes but you will be able to sleep better at night knowing you have not
made a complet
Right. That's the first option below. Looks like that's the one to go with.
Problem is, it makes the debug look a mile long. :(
> If you're using CFCs it would make more sense to create a function
> that takes a set of data (one row) manipulates it and returns
> something else. This way the functi
If you're using CFCs it would make more sense to create a function
that takes a set of data (one row) manipulates it and returns
something else. This way the function can be utilized everywhere
instead of just for a query. If you're feeding the whole data set to a
CFC why not just make an include f
> Not complete against the idea of writing a paper, even though that is not
> really my thing, IE I have never done it before. It would probable be a
> week or three before I had the time, but other then that sure, why not.
I happen to know an excellent editor who will work with you to craft a pie
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Someone mentioned that already and it's not possible in this instance. On
the other hand, you are correct that it's an under utilized technique. Care
to write up a small paper on it? ;)
> Also, have you considered having the database doing the calculations and
> create the new fields, then it's al
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27;d be the case. If I'm wrong, I'd love
> to hear about it.
> >
> >
> > John Burns
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with a clear-cut solution.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
AI-ES Aeronautics, Web Developer
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Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:43 PM
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The performance of
> have no data to back that up, but from what I've heard, that seems like
> it'd be the case. If I'm wrong, I'd love to hear about it.
>
>
> John Burns
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
> AI-ES Aeronautics, Web Developer
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> -Origina
Straight from a DB or SP. There are calculation items that can't be done in
the query itself which is why that's not an option.
> If the query data came straight from a database rather than being a QoQ or
> something , then I would prefer to do all the calculations in the original
> SELECT statem
7;d be the case. If I'm wrong, I'd love to hear about it.
John Burns
Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX Developer
AI-ES Aeronautics, Web Developer
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> Here's a conceptual question. Lets say you have a query with multiple rows
> in it. There is a few calculations that will take place between items in a
> row to get some additional values per row (i.e. a discount price, etc.).
> One way of doing this is when outputting the query, you send the spe
Here's a conceptual question. Lets say you have a query with multiple rows
in it. There is a few calculations that will take place between items in a
row to get some additional values per row (i.e. a discount price, etc.).
One way of doing this is when outputting the query, you send the specific
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