Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
No, s/he is not, because web development is fun and CF web development is the best. - Original Message From: Dinner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:23:33 PM Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair On 6/12/07, Dave l wrote: One

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Gert Franz
Hi Russ, well you really should take a look at Railo. Railo 2 is MX 7.02 compatible and you could easily use it instead of other engines. The Railix version for instance is a zip file that you can just unpack into a directory and start it with a batch or sh file. No installation necessary.

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
at http://www.reedexpo.com -Original Message- From: Russ To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Jun 13 05:30:22 2007 Subject: RE: I love CF but it's not fair Russ wrote: Maybe someone should make a free/open source CF server. That would probably get more people using it. Of course once you've

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On 6/13/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well you really should take a look at Railo. Railo 2 is MX 7.02 compatible and you could easily use it instead of other engines. Gert, forgive me if I call you on that: Railo doesn't have Flash Forms or event gateways and doesn't run Transfer

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Gert Franz
This could be maybe a project for a usefull site called CFJOBS or CFMLJOBS worldwide. I know there are several job platforms worldwide but no one specific for CFML. It would be something like selecting the area where you are looking for the job (continent, country etc.) and maybe what kind of

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On 6/13/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are also still going to have a 2GB limit on 32-bit whatever technology you use AFAIK. Only on Windows. 32-bit *nix allows up to 4Gb for JVM heap I believe... Certainly macromedia.com was running a 3Gb heap on 32-bit Solaris...

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On 6/13/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This could be maybe a project for a usefull site called CFJOBS or CFMLJOBS worldwide. http://developercircuit.com/ ? -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An Architect's View -- http://corfield.org/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Andrew Scott
PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair It's a developers' market in Sydney right now. All the recruiters i speak to tell me they desperately need CF developers. They'll pay top dollar right now too. I reckon the hourly rate for contractors has gone up about $10/hour over what

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Gert Franz
Yes, Sean you are right. Compatible in this case is allways an open term. We are working on the implementation of Flash forms at the moment. Railo 2.1 will contain them as well. And of course there are other tags and functionalities missing (like CFREPORT or event gateways). I am in contact

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
To: CF-Talk Sent: Wed Jun 13 08:37:15 2007 Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair On 6/13/07, Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are also still going to have a 2GB limit on 32-bit whatever technology you use AFAIK. Only on Windows. 32-bit *nix allows up to 4Gb for JVM heap I

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Andrew Scott
. www.aegeon.com.au Phone: +613 8676 4223 Mobile: 0404 998 273 -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2007 5:25 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair I believe TagFusion became BlueDragon. You are also still going

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread James Holmes
Solaris yes, Linux no. Linux splits the memory into two 2GB lots (like Windows does without PAE) so a process can only get 2GB max. We currently run a 2.5GB heap on Solaris with a 384MB permspace, which means we're almost at 3GB too; Solaris is the winner in big JVMs. On 6/13/07, Sean Corfield

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Mike Kear
Of course, although in the last case, they were looking for someone on site in the Sydney CBD so that might not have worked out anyway. Cheers Mike Kear Windsor, NSW, Australia Adobe Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer AFP Webworks http://afpwebworks.com ColdFusion, PHP, ASP, ASP.NET hosting

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Paul Hastings
Gert Franz wrote: Yes, Sean you are right. Compatible in this case is allways an open term. We are working on the implementation of Flash forms at the why bother? if railo can talk to flex/apollo, more bang for your buck.

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Sean Corfield
On 6/13/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in contact with Mark Mandel in order to get Transfer ORM to work with Railo. Railo 2.0 RC2 already works with Transfer, but there is a small class that has to be added to the Railo libs. Nice work!! -- Sean A Corfield -- (904) 302-SEAN An

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Gert Franz
Thanks Sean... At the moment we just have a lot of documentation work to do. In addition we will create downloadable Railix versions with all major frameworks like Model Glue, Fusebox, MachII, Transfer, Coldspring, Coldbox, Reactor, and several free applications like the ones of Ray Camden or

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Gert Franz
As soon as Railo 2.0 RC2 is out we will create a version for downloading Railix with Transfer ORM and some examples... Just follow our blog at www.railo.ch/blog (or meet us in the US) Gert John Allen schrieb: Railo running transfer would be GREAT! On 6/13/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread John Allen
Railo running transfer would be GREAT! On 6/13/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/13/07, Gert Franz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am in contact with Mark Mandel in order to get Transfer ORM to work with Railo. Railo 2.0 RC2 already works with Transfer, but there is a small class

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Matt Quackenbush
Jerry, This is absolutely one of the best replies I've ever read. Cudos for nailing it. :-) Matt On 6/12/07, Jerry Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are also a lot of jobs for McDonalds late shift workers. =) My current programming job is 95% coldfusion, and the ad was for a

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Dinner
On 6/13/07, Ariel Jakobovits wrote: No, s/he is not, because web development is fun and CF web development is the best. Ironically, that's the crux of the matter. Add in some swell people, and it takes a good bit of BS to make my buddy feel retarded. Pretty analogous. BS happens tho, so,

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX)
Jun 13 22:59:51 2007 Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair On 6/13/07, Ariel Jakobovits wrote: No, s/he is not, because web development is fun and CF web development is the best. Ironically, that's the crux of the matter. Add in some swell people, and it takes a good bit of BS to make my

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-13 Thread Dinner
Hey, I resemble that comment! On 6/13/07, Neil wrote: Hmmm... OK Are you on drugs? :-p ~| ColdFusion 8 beta – Build next generation applications today. Free beta download on Labs

I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
Hi: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you search for CF job offers it brings only 23 jobs which more than half are not even only for CF developers and some are for other languages like PHP or .NET. When I searched for PHP it came out with a few

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Jake Churchill
-Original Message- From: Ali Majdzadeh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I love CF but it's not fair Hi: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you search for CF job offers it brings only 23 jobs which

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Jake Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I love CF but it's not fair ..NET is popular and other languages are free. CF won't go away (I hope) but it'll probably never overtake other languages without

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Brad Wood
Check out the smith project. http://www.smithproject.org/ ~Brad -Original Message- From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I love CF but it's not fair Maybe someone should make a free/open source CF server. That would probably

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Andy Matthews
-Original Message- From: Jake Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:07 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: I love CF but it's not fair ..NET is popular and other languages are free. CF won't go away (I hope) but it'll probably never overtake other languages

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread David Low
Russ wrote: Maybe someone should make a free/open source CF server. That would probably get more people using it. Of course once you've invested this much time into developing a product like that, it's hard not to start charging for it. (Didn't CF5 and BlueDragon start out as free products?)

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Billy Cox
DO want someone with a CF background. -Original Message- From: Ali Majdzadeh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: I love CF but it's not fair Hi: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you search

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
There are also a lot of jobs for McDonalds late shift workers. =) My current programming job is 95% coldfusion, and the ad was for a perl developer. My last job was 85% coldfusion, 15% Director and the ad was for web developer My previous job was for Foxpro Developer, and it was 25% foxpro, 50%

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Matt Robertson
On 6/12/07, David Low wrote: I don't recall CF5 ever being free though, There was Cold Fusion Express. It was a chopped-up v4.x IIRC. Crippled and didn't last long. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Janitor, The Robertson Team mysecretbase.com

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Sean Corfield
On 6/12/07, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you search for CF job offers it brings only 23 jobs Plus another 16 for Cold Fusion. However, your point is well taken. I hear lots of Australians say that the CF

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Jerry Johnson
Another thought: You don't need 2334 jobs. You need one job (ok, maybe 2) Hopefully it's the quality not the quantity that matters. On 6/12/07, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you search for CF job

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Ali Majdzadeh
Another thought: You don't need 2334 jobs. You need one job (ok, maybe 2) Hopefully it's the quality not the quantity that matters. Sure but when there are less options to choose it means many may not match your needs. The main problem will be location. But when there are 2334 job offers

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Russ
-Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair On 6/12/07, David Low wrote: I don't recall CF5 ever being free though, I remember there was TagFusion or something like

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Andrew Scott
Well I am in the same boat My Company is trying to move to be a Java shop only, and the work for Coldfusion for us is not worth us staying. Yet I am trying to hang on till the fat lady sings. On 6/13/07, Sean Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/12/07, Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Dave l
One time i looked and there were lots of .net php jobs around here but they averaged about $25 an hour for pay, whereas the cfm jobs averaged about $55 an hour. So I hear a lot about how there are so many .net jobs but they fail to mention the crappy pay.

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Ariel Jakobovits
Rulez! CF till I die -Ariel - Original Message From: Ali Majdzadeh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk cf-talk@houseoffusion.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:53:19 PM Subject: I love CF but it's not fair Hi: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Dinner
On 6/12/07, Dave l wrote: One time i looked and there were lots of .net php jobs around here but they averaged about $25 an hour for pay, whereas the cfm jobs averaged about $55 an hour. So is a decent cf dev retarded to work for around $20 an hour, 90hrs a week? No no, don't answer, that

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Will Swain
- From: Ali Majdzadeh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 June 2007 21:53 To: CF-Talk Subject: I love CF but it's not fair Hi: I was searching for job offers in Australia in here http://mycareer.com.au/ If you search for CF job offers it brings only 23 jobs which more than half are not even only

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Dave l
So is a decent cf dev retarded to work for around $20 an hour, 90hrs a week? Yeah I'd say that! We have cfm jobs here that people dont want because they only pay $45 an hour. So fyi~ there seem to always be cfm job openings here in Colorado. many might not be advertised but at our cfug

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Aaron Roberson
When I was building a lot of websites for small companies (you know, those $500 sites) I found that I had to learn PHP to get the job done and make a little money. I no longer do any $500 sites, but when I have time to help out a friend or church ministry with their website I am looking to Ruby on

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Andrew Scott
Subject: RE: I love CF but it's not fair -Original Message- From: Matt Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 5:34 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: I love CF but it's not fair On 6/12/07, David Low wrote: I don't recall CF5 ever being free though, I remember

RE: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Russ
Russ wrote: Maybe someone should make a free/open source CF server. That would probably get more people using it. Of course once you've invested this much time into developing a product like that, it's hard not to start charging for it. (Didn't CF5 and BlueDragon start out as free

Re: I love CF but it's not fair

2007-06-12 Thread Mike Kear
It's a developers' market in Sydney right now. All the recruiters i speak to tell me they desperately need CF developers. They'll pay top dollar right now too. I reckon the hourly rate for contractors has gone up about $10/hour over what it was a year ago. I have a contract at the moment,